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Starting Thursday, new smartphone customers with Verizon Wireless, including those who buy an iPhone, will no longer be able to purchase the carrier's unlimited data plan, AppleInsider has confirmed.

This Thursday, July 7, is when Verizon will begin offering its "usage-based" billing for mobile customers, spokeswoman Debra Lewis said. The change will not affect current smartphone customers of Verizon.

In addition, current smartphone customers who are upgrade-eligible will be allowed to move to another smartphone and retain their plan. But new customers or current customers who do not have a smartphone plan will only be able to buy a "usage-based" plan, Lewis told AppleInsider on Tuesday.

"We have lots of different ways for customers who may not be accustomed to this kind of stuff to check their usage in terms of data alerts, online tools, data calculators, things like that to help people decide what is the right plan for them," she said.

New smartphone customers will be able to choose from four different capped monthly data plans: $10 for 75MB, $30 for 2GB, $50 for 5GB, and $80 for 10GB. Users who go over their monthly allotment will be charged $10 per gigabyte, or $10 per 75MB on the entry-level plan.

Users will also be able to add the "Mobile Hotspot" tethering feature to an iPhone or other compatible smartphone for $20 per month. That plan will also net them an additional 2GB of data.



Tuesday's news confirms an earlier leak that Verizon would switch to a usage-based model starting on July 7. Current smartphone customers can buy an unlimited plan from Verizon for $29.99 per month.

Verizon's transition comes more than a year after AT&T implemented its own tiered data plans, which cost $25 per month for 2GB, or $15 a month for 200MB. AT&T customers and iPhone users also have the option of a tethering plan that offers 4GB total for $45 per month. AT&T charges an overage of $10 per gigabyte.
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$10 for 75MB $50 for 5GB Are they serious? I'm sorry but these companies have lost their minds. I just rather not have a phone. 5GB for $25 maybe $30 is reasonable if messages come with it. Anything else is insanity.
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$10 for 75MB $50 for 5GB Are they serious? I'm sorry but these companies have lost their minds. I just rather not have a phone. 5GB for $25 maybe $30 is reasonable if messages come with it. Anything else is insanity.

I agree.... Also to have to pay $20.00 more for tethering is insane....

When they try to force me off my unlimited plan in the future, I will terminate the service...
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I'm damn glad I don't live in the States. I have unlimited data on my 3G WiFi router (unlocked) for $25. And In the States we're about to lose another player in the field? No, thanks! Sprint could definitely use this latest change in their argument against the pending duopoly.
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So all this over the air business we are getting with ios5 will be very limited, i mean useless right?. A few app updates/ios update, pushing audio/apps that are purchased from itunes(osx) to teh ios5. Starting to see no point with cloud based services.
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I'm not opposed to the loss of unlimited data, but $10 for 75 MB?

Say what you will about AT&T, but at least from a price standpoint, their entry-level $15 for 250 MB is way more generous than Verizon.
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I agree.... Also to have to pay $20.00 more for tethering is insane....

When they try to force me off my unlimited plan in the future, I will terminate the service...

Where are you planning to go? Unless there is something new that we have not heard about, your choice is to pay or not have a smart phone.
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If Apple remains married to this idea for long there will be quite a bit of downside on their stock price methinks. Certainly, I'm not going to join the ranks and will keep my Razr and anyone paying those prices will have to be daft!
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This is the exact reason I got my iPhone 4 on Verizon when I did. It was pretty much guaranteed that this would happen, and being grandfathered into unlimited data is awesome. OTOH, this raises a lot of questions. Will I be able to add tethering in the future without "upgrading" to a tiered plan, or will they pull an AT&T on that one? They also say any existing customer will get to keep their unlimited data when upgrading to a new device, but how long will that policy last. When the iPhone 6 comes out and I want that, will that policy have already expired? Will I be able to change my messaging plan without having to touch my data? How about my minutes plan?

No matter how the companies try to spin this, not only is this bad from a cost perspective for the consumer, it just adds a ton of questions and headaches that we didn't have to deal with when it was an all-you-can-eat plan.
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If any of you have unlimited data (AT&T or Verizon), DON"T EVER GIVE IT UP. You will NEVER get it back AND you'll be at their mercy (AT&T or Verizon) for RIPOFF pricing!
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I'm not opposed to the loss of unlimited data, but $10 for 75 MB?

Say what you will about AT&T, but at least from a price standpoint, their entry-level $15 for 250 MB is way more generous than Verizon.

I agree.

As has been said here this is absolutely ridiculous and my hope is that AT&T doesn't follow suit. I don't know what Verizon was thinking when they came up with this tiered plan because it's just a plan rip off for their customers.
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New smartphone customers will be able to choose from four different capped monthly data plans: $10 for 75MB, $30 for 2GB, $50 for 5GB, and $80 for 10GB. Users who go over their monthly allotment will be charged $10 per gigabyte, or $10 per 75MB on the entry-level plan.

They're not caps if you can keep buying more. A better word is "tiered" or "pay-as-you-go".
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If Apple remains married to this idea for long there will be quite a bit of downside on their stock price methinks. Certainly, I'm not going to join the ranks and will keep my Razr and anyone paying those prices will have to be daft!

Apple has no say in the matter. It was part of the deal. They don't let the carriers have a say on the hardware so the carriers don't give them a say on the service plans

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Will I be able to add tethering in the future without "upgrading" to a tiered plan, or will they pull an AT&T on that one

When you add a service like tethering, you have to switch to the tiered data plans, and you lose being "grandfathered in."

My solution: I will probably always keep my current original iPhone data plan and keep jail breaking and using MyWi for tethering...that's the only way to get back at these obnoxious conglomerates.

If anything, they are going to piss off Apple (as we just saw with the new iMessage services, which undermines their ridiculous messaging rates.) A couple years down the road and I bet Apple will become the provider and buy minutes/data in bulk and sell directly to the consumer.
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I'm a firm believer in paying for what you use. But VZW's pricing makes no sense and has no tier for what is probably the more typical user. There needs to be something between $10 for 75MB and $30 for 2GB.

For example, I typically use about 120 MB a month, with occasional peaks to 300 MB. I guess I could get the $10 plan, which would be $20 most months, but sometimes as much as $40!

Here in China, I used to subscribe to China Unicom's US$14 for 300 MB plan, but downgraded it to the US$7 for 150 MB plan. Note that this amount also includes basic service and a number of voice minutes. Overage rates for both data and voice are very reasonable. And I'm free to tether, knowing that it just uses up my data allowance. The whole concept of usage-based data billing plus an extra charge for tethering makes absolutely no sense.

The U.S. definitely needs more competition, not less as will occur if the AT&T/T-Mobile USA merger is approved.
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I'm damn glad I don't live in the States. I have unlimited data on my 3G WiFi router (unlocked) for $25. And In the States we're about to lose another player in the field? No, thanks! Sprint could definitely use this latest change in their argument against the pending duopoly.

My Clear cellular modem (4G) in the US costs $30/mo. unlimited (and grandfathered), comparable to your plan. My grandfathered Verizon mobile data cost is also $30.

Not to say US mobile phone plan costs are as good as Europe. But I wonder if tiered pricing will also come to Europe, where pay-as-you-go seems to be more common.

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Carriers have smartphone users over a barrel, the plans are nuts, and where are you going to go if you have a smartphone?

Like many, I've always thought that if I have a data plan, texting should be a part of that, not a separate fee. The amount of data even in the heaviest of texting users, is nothing in comparison to browsing, or streaming audio or video. I doubt if even the heaviest texting user sends more than a couple handfuls of MMS messages a month.. its all text.
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I still refuse to have an iPhone (contract and monthly fees) and just continue to own APPL stock instead.
Why not just $10/ gig and an additional $10 for each gig over that? (messaging and tethering included.)
With that pricing, everyone would get a smart phone, everyone would get a data plan, everyone would use messaging, everyone would pay at least $10/month, everyone would pay as they go, everyone would save money, and . . . the carriers would make more money and have a much better reputation and image.
But no. Because they are scumbags at their core (like banks,) they prefer to play tricky pricing game, etc.
The first carrier to do this will make a lot of money.
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Ah, I remember not too long ago when many of the posters above were waiting with baited breath for the Verizon iPhone to debut. There would be a mass exodus to Verizon from the evil clutches of that dastardly at&t they said. Meanwhile I asked my three children who have smartphones (2 iPhones, 1 Droid) how they fare with their data plans with at&t. None of them come anywhere near 2GB per month. So it really is about bandwidth hogs who saturate their 3G connections 24/7/365. Sprint won't be far behind either. Deal with it.
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If any of you have unlimited data (AT&T or Verizon), DON"T EVER GIVE IT UP. You will NEVER get it back AND you'll be at their mercy (AT&T or Verizon) for RIPOFF pricing!

I have it on both the iPad and iPhone. I do wonder if T will grandfather when the LTE iPhones launch. MIght be just the excuse they need to null it.
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I still refuse to have an iPhone (contract and monthly fees) and just continue to own APPL stock instead.
Why not just $10/ gig and an additional $10 for each gig over that? (messaging and tethering included.)
With that pricing, everyone would get a smart phone, everyone would get a data plan, everyone would use messaging, everyone would pay at least $10/month, everyone would pay as they go, everyone would save money, and . . . the carriers would make more money and have a much better reputation and image.
But no. Because they are scumbags at their core (like banks,) they prefer to play tricky pricing game, etc.
The first carrier to do this will make a lot of money.

I totally agree, I wish it was that simple
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Ah, I remember not too long ago when many of the posters above were waiting with baited breath for the Verizon iPhone to debut. There would be a mass exodus to Verizon from the evil clutches of that dastardly at&t they said. Meanwhile I asked my three children who have smartphones (2 iPhones, 1 Droid) how they fare with their data plans with at&t. None of them come anywhere near 2GB per month. So it really is about bandwidth hogs who saturate their 3G connections 24/7/365. Sprint won't be far behind either. Deal with it.

Ditto on the Verizon thing (although I was surprised they didn't have more trouble when the iPhone came online—I guess they had enough experience with Android phones to prepare them.) [BTW for my family, I recently switched from US Cellular to Verizon—now I truly know what crappy voice service is.]

I'm all for "pay as you go." It just needs to be fair, simple, and not designed to drive people to pay for more than they need. Also the whole charge for messaging is silly. just include it as data (since that is all it really is. Heck include voice as data too! They should embrace the inevitable before Apple does it and puts them all out of business.)
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A pay as you go plan that has nothing to do with any timing constraints would actually address their alleged concerns about data use. For example- $20 a gig- and when that gig runs out, you get charged another gig..... Even if it takes 5 months for that gig to be used.

Seems like that kind of plan actually addresses the cell companies' concerns about heavy data use... but then they lose their recurring monthly charges...
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A pay as you go plan that has nothing to do with any timing constraints would actually address their alleged concerns about data use. For example- $20 a gig- and when that gig runs out, you get charged another gig..... Even if it takes 5 months for that gig to be used.

Seems like that kind of plan actually addresses the cell companies' concerns about heavy data use... but then they lose their recurring monthly charges...

That would be a great idea.
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i got an unlimited plan by simply saying i will be moving to the other service provider because a "relative" of mine who works there (when i dont actually) can sign me into their unlimited plan. each service would rather have you as a long term customer paying $50-70 a month than lose you to another service provider.
i've gotten huge discounts on phones because of this. seriously.
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Where are you planning to go? Unless there is something new that we have not heard about, your choice is to pay or not have a smart phone.

I'll go to Sprint. I am fine with a high end Android phone. I have an original Droid now...

I had them for a couple of years. They are ok in my area. Better coverage than AT&T but not as good as Verizon. If Sprint has any sense at all it will launch a massive ad blitz to try and catch a bunch of new smart phone customers....( To be honest I do not think they are that smart)
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This is the exact reason I got my iPhone 4 on Verizon when I did. It was pretty much guaranteed that this would happen, and being grandfathered into unlimited data is awesome. OTOH, this raises a lot of questions. Will I be able to add tethering in the future without "upgrading" to a tiered plan, or will they pull an AT&T on that one? They also say any existing customer will get to keep their unlimited data when upgrading to a new device, but how long will that policy last. When the iPhone 6 comes out and I want that, will that policy have already expired? Will I be able to change my messaging plan without having to touch my data? How about my minutes plan?

No matter how the companies try to spin this, not only is this bad from a cost perspective for the consumer, it just adds a ton of questions and headaches that we didn't have to deal with when it was an all-you-can-eat plan.

I do not expect Verizon to allow people to remain on the unlimited plan for more that a year or two. I suspect that as soon as your contract expires, you will be forced to the new plan....
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I still refuse to have an iPhone (contract and monthly fees) and just continue to own APPL stock instead.
Why not just $10/ gig and an additional $10 for each gig over that? (messaging and tethering included.)
With that pricing, everyone would get a smart phone, everyone would get a data plan, everyone would use messaging, everyone would pay at least $10/month, everyone would pay as they go, everyone would save money, and . . . the carriers would make more money and have a much better reputation and image.
But no. Because they are scumbags at their core (like banks,) they prefer to play tricky pricing game, etc.
The first carrier to do this will make a lot of money.

i highly doubt someone owning apple stocks when they dont know know its AAPL not APPL.
unless you blindly throw your money at apple and pray to god it will grow.
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I do not expect Verizon to allow people to remain on the unlimited plan for more that a year or two. I suspect that as soon as your contract expires, you will be forced to the new plan....

No the whole point of the plan being "grandfathered" is you keep your plan if you stick with the carrier after your contract expires.

As someone above pointed out, the carriers will likely use the shift to LTE to move people out of their grandfathered plan into new tiered 4G plans, since technically we're getting unlimited 3G data not 4G data
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No the whole point of the plan being "grandfathered" is you keep your plan if you stick with the carrier after your contract expires.

As someone above pointed out, the carriers will likely use the shift to LTE to move people out of their grandfathered plan into new tiered 4G plans, since technically we're getting unlimited 3G data not 4G data

My only hope resides in the fact that when I started my unlimited plan it was AT&T Edge and I was grandfathered into 3G.

* crosses fingers*
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I agree.... Also to have to pay $20.00 more for tethering is insane....

When they try to force me off my unlimited plan in the future, I will terminate the service...

I also agree, I saw something that said exchange/business email was only going to be including in 5GB plan and above meaning I'm going to have to pay $50 just so I can sync my contacts, calendars, and email.
If you pay $20 more for tethering and it comes with 2GB more that's $10/GB (the standard overage), which means Verizon might as well be saying we choose how you get to use your data. They're make a lot more people happy, if they could use their data however they wanted and probably get extra money with overages anyways.
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No the whole point of the plan being "grandfathered" is you keep your plan if you stick with the carrier after your contract expires.

That's what grandfathered means, but that's not what Verizon is doing. When your contract expires you lose the unlimited data. Verified with Verizon on a new iPhone purchase on Saturday.
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i highly doubt someone owning apple stocks when they dont know know its AAPL not APPL.
unless you blindly throw your money at apple and pray to god it will grow.

Doubt all you want. Perhaps you are right and I bought the wrong stock!
All I know is that I bought at $20-60/share before the split, and more since, and now its worth @$350/share.

(I don't memorize the stock symbols. I just click the button in my Scotrade account.)
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No the whole point of the plan being "grandfathered" is you keep your plan if you stick with the carrier after your contract expires.

As someone above pointed out, the carriers will likely use the shift to LTE to move people out of their grandfathered plan into new tiered 4G plans, since technically we're getting unlimited 3G data not 4G data

Actually, what they have publicly stated is that you can upgrade your phone to a 4G phone without losing your unlimited for $30.00 plan. However, if you add a line ( to a family plan ) or upgrade a feature phone to a smart phone you will lose your unlimited plan. They go further to say that if you already have a 4G phone, you can get unlimited tethering for $30.00 per month.

The last part is what caught my eye tough. It said that existing customers would be able to keep their unlimited plan for an un-specified period of time....
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I do not expect Verizon to allow people to remain on the unlimited plan for more that a year or two. I suspect that as soon as your contract expires, you will be forced to the new plan....

This is what I was told by Verizon on Saturday when buying a new iPhone for my wife. Your plan expires and your unlimited data is done. No other options.
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I've been with Verizon (Alltel) for several years, currently carrying three lines with unlimited data. My son recently lost his phone, and since he's up for a new contract anyway, it prompted me to look around at what other carrier's are offering. I was shocked to find Virgin Mobile, over the Sprint network, offering pre-pay unlimited data, unlimited text, and 300 voice minutes at $25/month! He's a teenager, rarely talks on the phone, but tears up text and data. Much more usage than me. So guess who his new service provider is.
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I do not expect Verizon to allow people to remain on the unlimited plan for more that a year or two. I suspect that as soon as your contract expires, you will be forced to the new plan....

In that case, my next phone will be a regular flip phone, stuck next to an iPod Touch in my pocket. I suspect that'll be the case for lots of folks.
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Where are you planning to go? Unless there is something new that we have not heard about, your choice is to pay or not have a smart phone.

There are smartphones out there not made by Apple. A friend of mine has an Evo on Sprint and it is a great phone (a little big maybe but for the price he is paying it is a great deal).
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In that case, my next phone will be a regular flip phone, stuck next to an iPod Touch in my pocket. I suspect that'll be the case for lots of folks.

At least you'll have simultaneous voice and data. When you have data at all. Which won't be when you need it.
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