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Rumor: Apple may release 'iPad 2 Plus' with high-res display this year

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If Apple does release a new iPad this year, it will be a high-end model with a greater pixel density display rather than an entirely new third-generation model, according to a new report.

Analyst Craig Berger with FBR Capital Markets cited contacts in Apple's overseas supply chain in a note to investors that says Apple could release a so-called "iPad 2 Plus" later this year. He was told that component makers have received requests-for-quotes from Apple for such a device, though no production schedule has been confirmed.

"We hear Apple could migrate the iPad's display resolution from a current pixel density of 132 (pixels per inch) to 250-300 ppi for the 'iPad 2 Plus' (note that the iPhone 4's screen is 326 ppi)," Berger wrote.

But Berger also cautioned that while the information shared is "interesting," he would need to hear more information about a new hardware model before "fully believing" that a new model iPad will debut this year.

The latest suggestion of a new model comes less than a week after a report claimed that Apple will launch a so-called "iPad 3" this October. But if Berger's sources are accurate, that rumored device won't be a full-fledged third-generation iPad, and will instead be an expansion of the iPad product lineup.

The launch of an "iPad 2 Plus" this holiday could diminish production volumes in the fourth quarter of 2011, Berger said, by resulting in screen production constraints at suppliers like LG and Samsung. He said those companies would "likely have difficulties" ramping up production of such high-resolution screens immediately.

Berger had previously heard that Apple is evaluating various touchscreen solutions for the actual third-generation iPad, but prototypes of that hardware are not expected to be built until early 2012.



The iPad 2 first went on sale in March, and Apple was immediately faced with supply constraints, though those have since eased. For the second quarter of 2011, FBR Capital Markets sees iPad 2 production at 10.8 million, while Berger has forecast 17 million units built in the third quarter.

"With total iPad builds of 32.5M units during the first three quarters of 2011, targeted annual builds of 40M-45M units again seems not only possible but perhaps even beatable," he said. "Given the volatility seen in iPad build data of late, we will continue to monitor field checks for any positive or negative revisions."
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What Steve actually meant to say was, "It's the fiscal year of the iPad2."
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It is hard to see a business justification for releasing a new model so quickly, without any real competition to drive that decision. There is cost with switching models. I think Apple will stick to the schedule on this one. It's not like there is a major flaw in iPad2 to overcome.
It still takes up to 2 weeks to ship the current model, so sales are certainly staying high.
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These analysts might as well try to predict the weather for September and October.
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It is hard to see a business justification for releasing a new model so quickly, without any real competition to drive that decision. There is cost with switching models. I think Apple will stick to the schedule on this one. It's not like there is a major flaw in iPad2 to overcome.
It still takes up to 2 weeks to ship the current model, so sales are certainly staying high.

Unless Apple wants to really kill the competition during the holiday buying season... insurance so to speak. Apple has been known lately to up the ante to a position that completely shuts out the competition...
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This is a rumor I'm truly tired of hearing.
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Of course Apple are asking for quotes. They need to know the how the capabilities of the suppliers are changing over time so that they can plan for introducing the iPad3 next year. That does not even begin to suggest the iPad3 will be introduced this year. This is just a stupid rumor which has been debunked over and over and over again.
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What Steve actually meant to say was, "It's the fiscal year of the iPad2."

It could still be called the iPad 2.


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Unless Apple wants to really kill the competition during the holiday buying season... insurance so to speak. Apple has been known lately to up the ante to a position that completely shuts out the competition...

No mass production smartphone has yet to match the iPhone 4's display and this would help make the iPad another iPod if they did this, but I'm still not sold on the idea with the current HW and mid-cycle.

They have introduced the G1 32GB iPod Touch, iPhone 4 for Verizon and white iPhone 4 mid-cycle, all which are technically slightly different HW so I guess there is some precedence for it. I know I'd surely buy one.
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post #9 of 108
This might be an additional, more expensive iPad2, while the existing iPad2s continue to be sold as is.
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iPad 3 maybe with this next year but I have my doubts they will bring out an iPad 2 with this. I could be wrong but that's my 2 cents.
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Which of course means a new "A" chip, so at that point you might as well call it iPad 3. Actually that new "A" series chip would need more RAM too. If Apple quadruples the number of pixels to be serviced then performance will suffer pretty badly on the current iPad hardware. Considering the data involved a boost in bandwidth would likely be needed too.

So unless Apple does something else to address these issues I wouldn't recommend this machine to anyone. It would be literally a step backwards. I just don't believe the current hardware has the capacity to drive that resolution display well.

All that being said I'm still hopeful these rumors are about a sub 7" device with a high resolution screen. Just a couple of days ago I was looking at a bunch of GPS units in the 5-6" range and imagined an iOS device that size. The phrase extremely handy comes to mind.

Unfortunately no new "I" devices for me this year.
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This might be an additional, more expensive iPad2, while the existing iPad2s continue to be sold as is.

I think this is entirely likely and I have made this prediction for some time.
I think it will be an iPad 2 Pro (or HD) and will be priced above the existing devices (starting at, say $699 for a 32GB )
- Retina level displays
- The quad core version of the PowerVR graphics chip
-1Gb memory
- option of a "professional" drawing tool ("don't call it a stylus"!)
- some other unique selling points I haven't thought of
Some killer "pro" apps
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This might be an additional, more expensive iPad2, while the existing iPad2s continue to be sold as is.

I'd say that's pretty much a certainty - at this stage Apple isn't going to be demising models in a hurry, not for as long as supply is an issue. The current iPad-2 is really an iPad-1+, rather like the 3GS I think it has major longevity.
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So unless Apple does something else to address these issues I wouldn't recommend this machine to anyone. It would be literally a step backwards. I just don't believe the current hardware has the capacity to drive that resolution display well.

Which is why I think you can totally discount rumors that treat any resolution increase so casually or imply it's just a "bump" upgrade. Apple would never compromise the overall experience so cavalierly.

I would, however, welcome a higher resolution iPad. Between the iPhone 4 and my Kindle, the original iPad looks blurry by comparison. It's about the only thing that could get me to upgrade at the moment.
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Which of course means a new "A" chip, so at that point you might as well call it iPad 3. Actually that new "A" series chip would need more RAM too. If Apple quadruples the number of pixels to be serviced then performance will suffer pretty badly on the current iPad hardware. Considering the data involved a boost in bandwidth would likely be needed too.

So unless Apple does something else to address these issues I wouldn't recommend this machine to anyone. It would be literally a step backwards. I just don't believe the current hardware has the capacity to drive that resolution display well.

All that being said I'm still hopeful these rumors are about a sub 7" device with a high resolution screen. Just a couple of days ago I was looking at a bunch of GPS units in the 5-6" range and imagined an iOS device that size. The phrase extremely handy comes to mind.

Unfortunately no new "I" devices for me this year.

There is an easy route on the grasphics in that there is a quad core version of the A5's GPU (SGX543MP4) and the package will support 1GB of ram

I think we will see a 5-6 inch device too but it will be sold as an iPod Touch variant rather than a downsized iPad
I wasn't at all sold on the Galaxy Tab or Playbook but the HTC Flyer made a lot more sense(ha!) as a notepad (of the writing type)
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"This is the year of the iPad 2." Not, plus, not 3, 2. 2 Only! "This is the year of the iPad 2." "This is the year of the iPad 2." "This is the year of the iPad 2." "This is the year of the iPad 2." "This is the year of the iPad 2." "This is the year of the iPad 2." "This is the year of the iPad 2." "This is the year of the iPad 2." "This is the year of the iPad 2." "This is the year of the iPad 2." "This is the year of the iPad 2."
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It's amazing how many times analysts can be wrong and still have a job.

There's absolutely no reason for Apple to release a new iPad this year. There's no competition.
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These analysts might as well try to predict the weather for September and October.

It will still be warm in September, but with cooler nights. October will bring chills. Damn I'm good at this predicting stuff.
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Of course Apple are asking for quotes. They need to know the how the capabilities of the suppliers are changing over time so that they can plan for introducing the iPad3 next year. That does not even begin to suggest the iPad3 will be introduced this year. This is just a stupid rumor which has been debunked over and over and over again.

Unless you're an Apple employee with direct knowledge, I'd say "debunked" is the wrong choice of word.
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Unless you're an Apple employee with direct knowledge, I'd say "debunked" is the wrong choice of word.

I showed that the conclusion does not follow from the premise. That suffices to debunk.
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That is if they are going to sync up iPad releases with the rest of the "I" devices line up.

The number one thing is that it puts a very desirable consumer item into the market just before the holiday shopping season. September is early enough that early adopters get taken care of yet you have plenty of time to fill channels for November/December. So this could be a sync up to have new technology entering the marketplace at the ideal time to serve the mass market.

The next issue is that having a clean slate in late winter early spring would be good because Apple often introduces new hardware in this time frame.

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It is hard to see a business justification for releasing a new model so quickly, without any real competition to drive that decision.

It is a mistake to believe Apple doesn't have any competition. You might not like or appreciate the competition but that does not mean it does exist. Remember in late fall it is expected that vastly improved SoC will be available to Android & WebOS tablet builders. It might seem inelegant to an Apple user but WebOS can be greatly improved via the brute force application of CPU power.

If you are an old 3G iPhone user Apple pretty much took the brute force approach with iOS at a lesser scale. Devices after the 3G had a massive impact on usability due to faster processors and more RAM. HP could easily take this approach to address TouchPad performance issues.
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There is cost with switching models.

There is a cost associated with everything a company does.
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I think Apple will stick to the schedule on this one. It's not like there is a major flaw in iPad2 to overcome.

Flaws have nothing to do with it. It isn't a question of iPad 2 being good or bad, often decissions are made based on goals not expressed publically. Goals that might not even be obvious to us.
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It still takes up to 2 weeks to ship the current model, so sales are certainly staying high.

Sales are extremely strong, but again that has absolutely nothing to do with an iPad 3 debuting in the fall. Remember we are talking about business here. Decisions are made after determining how a bunch of conflicting interests will impact the change up.

From Apple perspective one positive outcome of a brand new shinny iPad in the fall is the slugging of the competition that is trying to get on it's feet. Think of it as a fighter about to throw a knock out punch. Beyond that the competition can become far mire viable with better hardware, so a performance boost could be seen as a defensive move.

On top of all of that having a low cost and a high end model will broaden the appeal of iPad. Think about it a bit, if Apple could slot in the low end iPad 2 at under $450 and then offer significant improvements for the high end they could corral even more customers. More importantly they can make the tablet business unprofitable for many manufactures.

Business is all hardball. If you want to stay in business you have to be willing to bruise the competition.
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I hope not...

iPhone 4s?... iPad 2+?... I hope Apple, renowned for their product naming simplicity, gets back to basics.

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The only improvement the existing iPad screen really needs is an answer to the Kindle's digital ink screen for outdoor reading.
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Simply, no.
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Which is why I think you can totally discount rumors that treat any resolution increase so casually or imply it's just a "bump" upgrade. Apple would never compromise the overall experience so cavalierly.

Mind you I'm not saying that an updated model is impossible just that without a hardware update it wouldn't be recommended. To that end it is rumored that Apple gas at least two teams working on SoC design with one focused on phones and other small handhelds and the other focused on processors for tablets. We really havent see a tablet specific processor yet (at least not one I consider to be tablet targeted) so it is very possible something much faster is coming for the fall. My point is this story can not stand without supporting evidence.
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I would, however, welcome a higher resolution iPad. Between the iPhone 4 and my Kindle, the original iPad looks blurry by comparison.

Don't worry with age that will be taken care of. Everything will look blurry.
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It's about the only thing that could get me to upgrade at the moment.

I'm sure such an upgrade would drive sales. I would not however jump on the bandwagon without being convinced it isn't a step backwards.
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So are these screens coming from the Toshiba plant they put a billion into?
And wouldn't it be *exactly* double? No range - just 2x. Bets on the quantum dot nanosys film being in there too..
iPad 2S, iPhone 45? (They'd need to rearrange a bit to get the A5 chip in there, though the Gobi chip already fits in the Verizon iPhone) Imagine an iPhone next year will have a higher speed increase just considering what's coming out from Imagination and ARM.
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..."With total iPad builds of 3.25M units during the first three quarters of 2011, targeted annual builds of 40M-45M units again seems not only possible but perhaps even beatable," he said. ...


I think 3.25M is in error. 32.5M maybe? Let's see how long it takes before this error is corrected (even if it's correctly quoting the analyst's error, it needs to be fixed).
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I now we're talking about a rez beyond 1080, but if it's such a strain to run high rez on an ipad that it requires a new chip, why can I stream 1080 to my old iPad 1? I thought it was remarkable when I tried it and it worked. Obviously it's not supposed to. I wondered if its possible that it resamples it during the stream, but the really high bit rate RIPS from my collection won't stream. Seems to max out around 10MB/s for h264. I still haven't tried loading a 1080 RIP of that quality onto an iPad and I'd a assume it wouldn't because even some of the old SD RIPS of mine won't synch if the setting aren't just right.

Personally I still think the iPad's screen is soft. Especially concerning text, but noticeable when viewing photos too. A high DPI screen like on the iPhone would be a nice add IMO. Maybe Apple is just feeling the suppliers out, but like I've said before iDevices have become more or less "screens", so I'd think it would be one of the most noticeable and obvious upgrades if it was cheap enough.
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I think 3.25M is in error. 32.5M maybe? Let's see how long it takes before this error is corrected (even if it's correctly quoting the analyst's error, it needs to be fixed).

Maybe they meant 3.25m per quarter for the first 3 quarters. That still sounds very wrong though.
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If Apple does release a new iPad this year, it will be a high-end model with a greater pixel density display rather than an entirely new third-generation model, according to a new report.

Just because all these other companies are shipping one tablet one week and then promising a newer one to be released "in a couple months" doesn't translate into Apple following the same practice. Sure, you want to strike while the iron is hot, but oversaturating the market when you can't even keep up delivery on initial demand doesn't appear too smart.

On that basis alone, I would hope that "iPad 2 Pro," "iPad 2 Really HD" or whatever just goes away. Besides, wouldn't *some* developer be among the first to blab about scaling images up in anticipation of a higher res device?
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Besides, wouldn't *some* developer be among the first to blab about scaling images up in anticipation of a higher res device?

It's been said a bunch of times - it's ALREADY IN. It's been in since the Retina display. iOS is fully set up to support higher resolution displays already.
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I have an iPad 2 so I'm not going to get all, "Sour grapes" with this rumor. If it comes out, fine. If not, fine. But I just want to say that just throwing a new screen in doesn't automatically make the iPad 2 look more awesome. Yes, the OS will be updated for the new res, but if this releases in Fall there will be hardly any apps that take advantage of the new res. Apple would need to tip-off app-makers about the incoming resolution if Apple wanted a strong launch with this new resolution.

Is Apple shopping for new screens? Absolutely. Are they going to release a half-updated iPad 2 in the Fall? I seriously doubt it. I suspect they are just shopping for iPad 3 components.
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There is an easy route on the grasphics in that there is a quad core version of the A5's GPU (SGX543MP4) and the package will support 1GB of ram

This is certainly true but I've heard nothing that indicates that Apple has silicon ready to drive such a display. We have had rumors of a mystery Apple chip coming off TSMC production lines but no solid indictators of what it is.

It is very possible that Apple has the electronics ready to go to support such a display. Frankly it better to assure customer satisfaction.
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I think we will see a 5-6 inch device too but it will be sold as an iPod Touch variant rather than a downsized iPad

I don't care what they call it. If they can make it into a maxi iPhone all the better, as long as it goes into the pocket well and isn't excessively bulky. I don't want people asking what that 5" long thing in your pocket is. Save those questions for a seven inch device please.
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I wasn't at all sold on the Galaxy Tab or Playbook but the HTC Flyer made a lot more sense(ha!) as a notepad (of the writing type)

A lot of iPad owners dismiss the idea of a sub 7" inch device because they think in terms of how they use their iPad. The way I look at it there is little or no overlap here. Frankly some iPad apps wouldn't translate well at all to a device this size. That is fine because I have no desire to use those apps on this device.

The reality is this little bit of screen size increase can have a big impact on some uses. For example when used in a cradle in a car, especially for GPS.
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Yes, the OS will be updated for the new res, but if this releases in Fall there will be hardly any apps that take advantage of the new res. Apple would need to tip-off app-makers about the incoming resolution if Apple wanted a strong launch with this new resolution.

Most of what people use the iPad for is reading, and every piece of text you render will be using a scalable font so will immediately benefit from any resolution bump even if you use an App that has no knowledge of the screen. Any App that supports the iPhone will already have high DPI icons. This is less of an issue than you think.
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This is a rumor I'm truly tired of hearing.

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Please STOP writing these stupid rumor stories. There is ZERO incentive for Apple to issue a new iPad when the previous one is selling out like condoms during a gay-day parade. They can't satisfy the current demand, why on earth would they bring a new one online this early?
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It's been said a bunch of times - it's ALREADY IN. It's been in since the Retina display. iOS is fully set up to support higher resolution displays already.

In case people can't grasp the above, iOS is resolution independent. It has been for some time. That means when you ask the OS to draw a line 100 points* long it ends up that long on screen. Apple has been warning developers for years now not to assume anyone pixel density. *I say points above but take that to mean whatever arcane units Apple actually uses.

Second the frame work is in place for higher resolution bitmaps. This of course supports stuff that isn't drawn on the screen.

What this means is that iPad could switch tomorrow and many apps would be fine. Many more could be quickly updated. Higher res isn't a significant issue for apps.
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It's been said a bunch of times - it's ALREADY IN. It's been in since the Retina display. iOS is fully set up to support higher resolution displays already.

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In case people can't grasp the above, iOS is resolution independent. It has been for some time. That means when you ask the OS to draw a line 100 points* long it ends up that long on screen. Apple has been warning developers for years now not to assume anyone pixel density. *I say points above but take that to mean whatever arcane units Apple actually uses.

Second the frame work is in place for higher resolution bitmaps. This of course supports stuff that isn't drawn on the screen.

What this means is that iPad could switch tomorrow and many apps would be fine. Many more could be quickly updated. Higher res isn't a significant issue for apps.

Don't confuse RI with HiDPI display code already and SDK already released. We saw Apple make a lot of changes, including a new system font, and it took many months before the majority of 3rd-party apps were updated to take advantage of the new display.

PS: If memory serves I think iit's WWDC 2011 Session 113 at the 47m:47s mark that goes into Lion's RI and HiDPI support.
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It's amazing how many times analysts can be wrong and still have a job.

There's absolutely no reason for Apple to release a new iPad this year. There's no competition.

Finally, someone talking sense on this forum. +1,000.

Damn right. There is no earthly reason for Apple to offer a revised iPad 2 at this stage. As soon as you start interrupting replacement cycles with unexpected product updates, you risk consumer inertia with people postponing purchase because they believe the next model is just around the corner. Apple has more to lose than to gain by introducing a new version of the iPad 2 now.

The iPad 2 was meant to get a higher resolution display, but the technology was not production ready when Apple finalised component supply deals. This means we'll need to wait until 2012 before a better mousetrap comes along. Period.
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It is hard to see a business justification for releasing a new model so quickly, without any real competition to drive that decision. There is cost with switching models. I think Apple will stick to the schedule on this one. It's not like there is a major flaw in iPad2 to overcome.
It still takes up to 2 weeks to ship the current model, so sales are certainly staying high.


It should not be seen as an iPad 3... but probably more as a High-End iPad 2 targeting the high-end segment or the pro-segment where HD res might be appealing. For the moment, iPad offering is pretty basic on a marketing stand-point and Apple might start differentiating a bit the various segments the way they did with the iPod mini/nano/shuffle/touch...

In addition, it might provide some pretty good test bench for developers to start building higher res apps that could potentially become mainstream with an iPad 3 sometimes next year.
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PS: If memory serves I think iit's WWDC 2011 Session 113 at the 47m:47s mark that goes into Lion's RI and HiDPI support.

Erm - aren't you just saying that OS-X isn't yet resolution independent? Nobody said OS-X was. Full RI came to iOS first, which makes sense because most Apps on OS-X run in windows, and so a suddenly larger screen doesn't blow them up. I think a big part of why it's coming in Lion is that Lion is bringing in full screen Apps.

Finally OS-X will be able to do everything my commodore amiga could in 1990
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