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post #41 of 108
7/6/11 at 9:16am
Todays A5 is to slow for a high density display.

We all know that 28nm is not ready.
But. PowerVR6 is ready. ST-Ericsson start to sell Dual core Arm9 1.5-1.8ghz with power6 series graphic later this year.

Apple got back test chips from TSMC last week. Could this be A5+? Higher clocked and a new graphic core?

I thought the test chips where 28 nm quod core chips that are going to be used for iPad 3 next year. Someone call TSMC and ask them?
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post #42 of 108
7/6/11 at 9:18am
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Erm - aren't you just saying that OS-X isn't yet resolution independent? Nobody said OS-X was. Full RI came to iOS first, which makes sense because most Apps on OS-X run in windows, and so a suddenly larger screen doesn't blow them up. I think a big part of why it's coming in Lion is that Lion is bringing in full screen Apps.

Finally OS-X will be able to do everything my commodore amiga could in 1990

I'm saying Mac OS and iOS are, but that doesn't mean there is no work to be done when HiDPI displays appear.
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post #43 of 108
7/6/11 at 9:23am
I bought an iPad2 and barely use it. I'd rather have a 13 or 15 MBA with the super-hi-res screen as MBP CD is getting long in the tooth and needs a battery.
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post #44 of 108
7/6/11 at 9:26am
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I bought an iPad2 and barely use it.

You ≠ World.

Sell it.

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I'd rather have a 13 or 15 MBA with the super-hi-res screen as MBP CD is getting long in the tooth and needs a battery.

It is not either/or.
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post #45 of 108
7/6/11 at 9:28am
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Originally Posted by Tailpipe View Post

As soon as you start interrupting replacement cycles with unexpected product updates, you risk consumer inertia with people postponing purchase because they believe the next model is just around the corner.

You are spot on.

Apple will also get into a market expectations trap..... people will look for half-yearly cycles of new product announcements.
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post #46 of 108
7/6/11 at 9:31am
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Originally Posted by astoessel View Post

It should not be seen as an iPad 3... but probably more as a High-End iPad 2 targeting the high-end segment or the pro-segment where HD res might be appealing. For the moment, iPad offering is pretty basic on a marketing stand-point and Apple might start differentiating a bit the various segments the way they did with the iPod mini/nano/shuffle/touch...

In addition, it might provide some pretty good test bench for developers to start building higher res apps that could potentially become mainstream with an iPad 3 sometimes next year.

Thank you for stating this so reasonably. I, on the other hand, am not so reasonable.

I think Apple HAS to do this as soon as they possibly can, never mind the schedule or the competition, because they are driven by the aesthetic and technical challenges first, and they know that certain people, a lot of people, will want it when they see it. Desperately want it.

Not everybody. There are still many who can get along with the 3GS phone, but the susceptible ones cannot ever go back once they've seen the Retina screen.

A double-res iPad will be irresistible to anyone who cares about photography, video, film, art, image, etc., etc. If they can do it, they will not rest until they do do it. It's the whole thing that Apple has always been about.

Those who are so tired about hearing about this should maybe figure out this aesthetic imperative that drives Apple.
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post #47 of 108
7/6/11 at 9:38am
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You are spot on.

Apple will also get into a market expectations trap..... people will look for half-yearly cycles of new product announcements.

Was that a significant issue with the iPod?
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post #48 of 108
7/6/11 at 9:50am
Won't happen this yea unless Android manufacturers releases a retina display. Even then highly unlikely until version 3.
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post #49 of 108
7/6/11 at 10:02am
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Originally Posted by darthraige View Post

"This is the year of the iPad 2." Not, plus, not 3, 2. 2 Only! "This is the year of the iPad 2." "This is the year of the iPad 2." "This is the year of the iPad 2." "This is the year of the iPad 2." "This is the year of the iPad 2." "This is the year of the iPad 2." "This is the year of the iPad 2." "This is the year of the iPad 2." "This is the year of the iPad 2." "This is the year of the iPad 2." "This is the year of the iPad 2."

Apparently you are not following Apple/Steve the last few years. There were quite a few "year of" that lasted 6 months. This does not mean the rumor is based on reality, but "the year of iPad 2" is not a viable argument either.
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post #50 of 108
7/6/11 at 10:05am
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Was that a significant issue with the iPod?

Which iPod?
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post #51 of 108
7/6/11 at 10:17am
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

Which iPod?

There were a couple of cases of refreshes occuring well within the normal 12month cycle.

iPod 4gen July 04
iPod Photo Oct 04

IPod mini 2nd edition Feb 05
iPod Nano 1st edition Sep 05 (which effectively replaced the mini)

That's before we even get into the minor refreshes introducing more size to an existing chassis or slightly reducing the thickness.

Wiki has some nice timelines

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPod_Na...ct_iPod_models
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPod_Cl...ze_iPod_models
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post #52 of 108
7/6/11 at 10:19am
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Won't happen this yea unless Android manufacturers releases a retina display. Even then highly unlikely until version 3.

Android has 1 advantage.
Tegra 3 can drive "retina" display. A5 can't.
Samsung manufactures the 10 inch retina display. Why not use it with their own Galaxy series?

Android makes does not care if you only get 5 hours battery time instead of 10-11 with iPad. (quod core on 40nm will draw 50% more energy + display draws more)

Android market to geeks who look at numbers: dual core 1.2ghz, 8 megapixel and so on.
"look. I can get a tablet that have 1.2 ghz instead of 1 ghz. It has to be better"
"a camera with 8 megapixel has to be better then a camera with 5 megapixel"

Or the most fun: Latest Android phones record in 1920x1080 video. The "crappy" iPhone only does 720P. Android users does not care that their 1080 recordings are with 10-30 fps. Not constant frame rates = useless. But who cares! It looks good on the box: 1080 video recording.

I like Android.
I don't like the Android makers that prefer to buy a cheap 8 megapixel camera instead of a good 5 megapixel camera just to fool stupid customers.
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post #53 of 108
7/6/11 at 10:21am
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Which iPod?

As previously stated the G1 iPod Touch gained 32GB model mid-cycle. Did people expect Apple to double the capacity every 6 months? I don't think so.

Then just this year we have the CDMA-based iPhone and white iPhone. Are people expecting new iPhone radios and colours every 6 months? Again, I don't think so.

That said, I'm not set on there being a HiDPI iPad mid-cycle, but I also can't ignore the precedence that specific market and component changes may give rise to unique situations and opportunities.
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post #54 of 108
7/6/11 at 10:21am
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- option of a "professional" drawing tool ("don't call it a stylus"!)

I'd say, "Not likely" on this.
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post #55 of 108
7/6/11 at 10:26am
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There were a couple of cases of refreshes occuring well within the normal 12month cycle.

iPod 4gen July 04
iPod Photo Oct 04

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Don't forget the G4 iPod Color coming out in June 2005 in 20 and 60GB capacities working with Firewire and USB just to trumped 3.5 months later by the G5 iPod Video in 30, 60, and 80GB capacities with USB-only for syncing.
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post #56 of 108
7/6/11 at 10:27am
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Originally Posted by Pennywse View Post

x Infinity.

Please STOP writing these stupid rumor stories. There is ZERO incentive for Apple to issue a new iPad when the previous one is selling out like condoms during a gay-day parade. They can't satisfy the current demand, why on earth would they bring a new one online this early?

This is a rumors site. Please stop posting these stupid posts griping about rumors on a rumors site.
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post #57 of 108
7/6/11 at 10:30am
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This is certainly true but I've heard nothing that indicates that Apple has silicon ready to drive such a display.

The current iPad 2 already has a CPU/GPU powerful enough to support a higher res display. I believe this new model was originally suppose to arrive earlier but technical problems with the screens' production prevented it. In short, the current iPad 2 was designed for a higher res screen from the start.

The only argument against buying a HR iPad 2 when it ships this fall, if you need/want such a device, would be that since it arrived late, it will probably be at most 6 months away from the iPad 3. And since this will no doubt be a more expensive model, people may simply want to wait for a complete hardware refresh.

-kpluck
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post #58 of 108
7/6/11 at 10:30am
Where is the evidence that Apple even cares about HD stuff? They don't even offer real HD movies on iTunes. I have nothing further to say about this rumor. I've made enough comments about this rumor in the past.
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post #59 of 108
7/6/11 at 10:31am
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post #60 of 108
7/6/11 at 10:37am
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I'd say, "Not likely" on this.

Wait, a professional drawing tool on the iPad is unlikely? You don't think professional artists like the iPad?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/a...-iPad-art.html

Hockney disagrees



Source Daily Telegraph
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post #61 of 108
7/6/11 at 10:40am
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Hockney disagrees



Source Daily Telegraph

Never heard of him before. That painting looks simplistic and looks like a 5 year old child made it. I've made much better paintings on my iPad, and I'm not a pro artist.
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post #62 of 108
7/6/11 at 10:52am
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Never heard of him before. That painting looks simplistic and looks like a 5 year old child made it. I've made much better paintings on my iPad, and I'm not a pro artist.

Gawd, I hope that was sarcasm.
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post #63 of 108
7/6/11 at 10:53am
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Gawd, I hope that was sarcasm.

If you read his posts you'll see that he's been serious.
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post #64 of 108
7/6/11 at 10:54am
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Nice picture, thanks. He goes on to say, "I wish I could see the look on Apple ]['s face when it comes out."
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post #65 of 108
7/6/11 at 10:56am
Those of you who dont like well substantiated rumours are on the wrong site. I believed this since they found hi-res images on the earlier unreleased builds. No, they wouldn't waste a designers time on that unless they had something to test it on. And no, they wouldn't be testing, in April this year, something they weren't releasing until next year.

It makes sense. The counter arguments make no sense. If they are selling a lot of the iPad 2 then they can sell more of that and the iPad 2 HD, particularly if some factories come on line.

Also, Apple produces an OS, not a virtual machine. They own the widget so they can do this - write the chip and graphics drivers themselves. You should play to your strengths. It also allows them to increase the price on all equivalent HD models by $100 or reduce the lower end models by $50-$100, maintaining margins if the sales of the HD models take off.

So, no it hasn't been debunked.

I am fairly sure that the present GPU would work too without performance degradations ( i.e. it is over-specced at the moment). Someone wrote a post on that before, but it was the last post on a thread, and no-one replied. Post again.
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post #66 of 108
7/6/11 at 11:03am
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Those of you who dont like well substantiated rumours are on the wrong site. I believed this since they found hi-res images on the earlier unreleased builds. No, they wouldn't waste a designers time on that unless they had something to test it on. And no, they wouldn't be testing, in April this year, something they weren't releasing until next year.

It makes sense. The counter arguments make no sense. If they are selling a lot of the iPad 2 then they can sell more of that and the iPad 2 HD, particularly if some factories come on line.

Also, Apple produces an OS, not a virtual machine. They own the widget so they can do this - write the chip and graphics drivers themselves. You should play to your strengths. It also allows them to increase the price on all equivalent HD models by $100 or reduce the lower end models by $50-$100, maintaining margins if the sales of the HD models take off.

So, no it hasn't been debunked.

I am fairly sure that the present GPU would work too without performance degradations ( i.e. it is over-specced at the moment). Someone wrote a post on that before, but it was the last post on a thread, and no-one replied. Post again.

Yes to all this, and I hope that post you're talking about reappears. kpluck, do you know about this? I'd really like to see some real info.
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post #67 of 108
7/6/11 at 11:04am
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Nice picture, thanks. He goes on to say, "I wish I could see the look on Apple ]['s face when it comes out."

You're right about that. I won't be happy if it happens.
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post #68 of 108
7/6/11 at 11:05am
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If you read his posts you'll see that he's been serious.

Sometimes I joke and sometimes I'm serious. And just for the record, I was being 100% serious in that post.
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post #69 of 108
7/6/11 at 11:10am
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

You are spot on.

Apple will also get into a market expectations trap..... people will look for half-yearly cycles of new product announcements.

If a hi res screen becomes do able on a mass amount , Apple would need to use it <rather than risk hp or some one else making there ipad clones with a hi res screen .

i think it will be a ipad 3 if it ever see'e the light of day .
chilly oct sounds right .

I still hope for a middle sized IPAD to come out .


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7/6/11 at 11:20am
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I am fairly sure that the present GPU would work too without performance degradations ( i.e. it is over-specced at the moment). Someone wrote a post on that before, but it was the last post on a thread, and no-one replied. Post again.

The present GPU is probably about right for full 3D gaming on the existing iPad, but overspecced for GPU powered animations on a primarily 2D display - like page turning on iBooks. I'd imagine an iPad-HD wouldn't be able to game in the highest resolution, but that wouldn't be a huge problem.
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post #71 of 108
7/6/11 at 11:34am
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The present GPU is probably about right for full 3D gaming on the existing iPad, but overspecced for 3G powered animations on a primarily 2D display - like page turning on iBooks. I'd imagine an iPad-HD wouldn't be able to game in the highest resolution, but that wouldn't be a huge problem.

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7/6/11 at 11:39am
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"3G powered?" In my best Borat voice, "What is this??"

That will teach me to type while watching old Buffy episodes.
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post #73 of 108
7/6/11 at 11:52am
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This is a rumor I'm truly tired of hearing.

Amen. How many times can it be recycled?
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post #74 of 108
7/6/11 at 12:29pm
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Amen. How many times can it be recycled?

How many times? I'd say about 10 until it comes out, maybe more. Better get used to it.

It's just as important as the appearance of the iPhone 4, or the new Macbook Air, or any other technical and production breakthrough they have come up with.

There has never been anything to equal what this screen will look like in your hands. You will all have to eat your words when you realize that you were stamping your feet when you should have been investigating the possibilities, or at least using your imagination. You don't have to join the chorus like me, but why complain yourself into a corner?

Still waiting for a definitive analysis on why some think the A5 with current RAM could handle it, and why some don't.
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post #75 of 108
7/6/11 at 12:41pm
Well, it only makes sense as Apple released the iPhone 4Plus+ midway through the year. Oh wait, they didn't. Because Apple has never done that!

They can barely make enough iPad 2 as it is. And you want to further constrain supply?? No, Apple will hold back such a major feature for iPad 3.

This rumor has all the weight of the electrons it's displayed with.
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post #76 of 108
7/6/11 at 1:26pm
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Unless Apple wants to really kill the competition during the holiday buying season... insurance so to speak. Apple has been known lately to up the ante to a position that completely shuts out the competition...

Apple already is "really" killing the competition in the tablet market! I mean come on! They're selling every iPad that comes off the production line. Months later, they STILL have a hefty backlog of iPad orders.

There is no reason whatsoever for Apple to disrupt what they are doing now by shooting themselves in the foot and coming out with another model mid-cycle. The tech is just not there yet. New CPU, heavier GPU to handle the almost quadrupling of pixels, etc... just not there yet this year.

However, for the sake of argument, if they did decide to come out with an iPad "2s" or whatever it would be mid-cycle, it will most likely be at a much higher price-point and may not sell well due to the fear of disrupting current iPad2 orders.

But if they did, I'd have to bang my head on the wall a few times to numb the pain of buying the new one... I do love my iPad2!
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7/6/11 at 1:33pm
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Well, it only makes sense as Apple released the iPhone 4Plus+ midway through the year. Oh wait, they didn't. Because Apple has never done that!

The iPhone is sold primarily through carriers, which means that Apple's ability to increase market share is limited by more than models and supply. Apple cannot crush the competition on the phone platform, no matter how many they build - not without long slow negotiations.

The iPad, like the iPod is a pure consumer device that doesn't require a carrier contract. Much like the iPod, in the tablet sector Apple CAN crush all the opposition and own the segment without pesky negotiations.

It's a completely different situation breaking into an existing market with a complex channel distribution than creating an entirely new market where you primarily are the channel.

There's a really good reason that apple might not ship a retina iPad, and that's supply of display panels. That's really the only good reason though, and speaking only for myself I don't know enough about the LCD component market to know the real situation there.
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post #78 of 108
7/6/11 at 2:02pm
I've read thru all the various comments on this thread, and I still don't buy it.
I do not believe Apple needs to rush out another iPad at this point, and I disagree that there is any real competition out there. Do you see them pushing iPhones out quicker? There is definitely competition in that arena.
Also, with the iPhone5 expected in the Fall, I would think that including a new iPad as well would hurt sales to early adopters. I know I could not justify both at the same time. I need time for my wallet to heal

One thing we can all agree on: Time will Tell.
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7/6/11 at 2:11pm
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It is hard to see a business justification for releasing a new model so quickly, without any real competition to drive that decision. There is cost with switching models. I think Apple will stick to the schedule on this one. It's not like there is a major flaw in iPad2 to overcome.
It still takes up to 2 weeks to ship the current model, so sales are certainly staying high.

It's not about iPad 2 having a flaw or selling like hot cakes.

It's about Apple working to a Christmas release date for iPads. They need a warm update of the iPad2 in September/October for the Christmas market - exactly the same as iPods. They need to work on Christmas releases for iPads as soon as they can.

Same with when they update the MacBooks just before the new school year. This is exactly the same for the iPad.

An iPad 2S also hurts the rest of the tablet market as a bonus. People will now start holding off on sales of iPad2 and the rest of the competition to see what happens with the iPad 2S. Apple can afford for a few people to hold off on iPad 2, but Samsung, RIM, HP can't afford for people to hold off on their products.

The tablet business for the rest of the manufacturers is turning from a horror film to a nightmare.
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post #80 of 108
7/6/11 at 2:44pm
I never bought ipad one because no camera, I never bought ipad 2 because no retina display but I will but ipad 3 on the day it is out.
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