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Facebook, Skype team up for video calling to compete with Apple's FaceTime

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Facebook announced on Wednesday that it is partnering with Skype to bring video calling to the social networking service, a feature that will compete with Apple's own FaceTime.

The new video calling feature was unveiled by Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg at a presentation at his company's headquarters on Wednesday. It was unveiled alongside two other new features: group chat, and a redesigned chat and friends list interface.

Zuckerberg said Facebook's partnership with an outside company like Skype, which was recently bought by Microsoft, is important because it represents his company's belief that individual applications are best created by those who specialize in them. He said implementing Skype technology is a better option than Facebook attempting to create its own sub-standard services.

"We build the infrastructure, we're years ahead in wiring it up, and we're going to enable folks to build world-class apps on top of that," he said of his company's strategy.

Facebook engineer named Philip Su gave a run-down of the new video call feature. One click to a video call button in a Web browser brings up a call. Wednesday's live demonstration of the service was conducted on a Mac.

Su showed how the video chat is enabled by downloading an applet in a browser with just two clicks. He said most users on a broadband connection should be able to download and enable the service within 30 seconds.

Video chat will begin rolling out today, and Facebook has touted the ease of use with Skype integration, which will make it possible for non-technical users to engage in video chat.

"No separate accounts, no separate websites to go to," Su said. "The download is small and easy."



Of course, Apple has its own video chat protocol designed to be simple and easy for end users: FaceTime. That Apple-only service is available on iOS devices with forward-facing cameras, namely the iPhone 4, iPad 2, fourth-generation iPod touch. It can also be used on Macs with Apple's FaceTime application.

But while FaceTime is available on mobile devices like the iPhone and iPad, Zuckerberg said Wednesday that Skype video chat in Facebook is a Web-only feature "for now," meaning it will not be available in Facebook's iPhone application.

Zuckerberg promised more products set to launch in the coming weeks and months. He referred to this period as Facebook's "launching season" of 2011.

One product likely to launch is an official Facebook application for iPad that is said to be in the works. Last month, The New York Times said that the social network would release an application optimized for the 9.7-inch display of the iPad.

Facebook is also said to be at work on a secret HTML5-based Web application platform dubbed "Project Spartan." One rumor last month claimed that Apple is helping Facebook to the development of the project.
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As long as they use the same protocols so it's compatible, I'm fine.

OH WAIT, NO ONE CARES ABOUT ACTUALLY BEING COMPATIBLE.

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This hardly competes with Facetime. Seeing as how Apple doesn't make any money off FaceTime, they probably couldn't care less which videochat service you use. FaceTime exists so there is always, at the very least, a built-in, easy to use service. Apple built Facetime in order to not depend on anyone else for key services.
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FaceTime is BUILT IN to every (current) iOS device and every Mac running Lion, plus you don't have to give Facebook or Microsoft any of your information.
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This is NOTHING to do with facetime. This is aimed squarely at Google+'s 'video hangout' feature.
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FaceTime is BUILT IN to every (current) iOS device and every Mac running Lion,

But you don't have to use it.

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plus you don't have to give Facebook or Microsoft any of your information.

To use video, you do. For both of them. And FaceTime. It's the same all around.

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FaceTime is BUILT IN to every (current) iOS device and every Mac running Lion, plus you don't have to give Facebook or Microsoft any of your information.

Apple has your email address and/or you phone number credit card info and other things if you use facetime also.
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This hardly competes with Facetime. Seeing as how Apple doesn't make any money off FaceTime, they probably couldn't care less which videochat service you use. FaceTime exists so there is always, at the very least, a built-in, easy to use service. Apple built Facetime in order to not depend on anyone else for key services.

I would have to totally disagree. It does compete with Factime. The more users Facebook gets to use Skype the more relevant the Skype platform becomes. What it does is marginalize Facetime. People who may not have used Skype in the past will not get a account and eventually use it elsewhere too. By that I mean on all of their devices. It is huge for Skype.

There are currently 700 million Facebook users. If Skype captures just a small fraction of the users that will be HUGE for the platform and again will relegate Facetime to only a specialized product used on Apple's iOS devices.

Do you really think that iTunes would be such a monster platform if it were not on Windows? Windows addresses the largest user base and that is the advantage that Skype has over Facetime. Apple needs to free Facetime from apple only products. Then it too can become dominant like iTunes.
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This hardly competes with Facetime. Seeing as how Apple doesn't make any money off FaceTime, they probably couldn't care less which videochat service you use. FaceTime exists so there is always, at the very least, a built-in, easy to use service. Apple built Facetime in order to not depend on anyone else for key services.

I would have to totally disagree. It does compete with Factime. The more users Facebook gets to use Skype the more relevant the Skype platform becomes. What it does is marginalize Facetime. People who may not have used Skype in the past will now get a account and eventually use it elsewhere too. By that I mean on all of their devices. It is huge for Skype.

There are currently 700 million Facebook users. If Skype captures just a small fraction of the users that will be HUGE for the platform and again will relegate Facetime to only a specialized product used on Apple's iOS devices.

Do you really think that iTunes would be such a monster platform if it were not on Windows? Windows addresses the largest user base and that is the advantage that Skype has over Facetime. Apple needs to free Facetime from apple only products. Then it too can become dominant like iTunes.
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I would be more concerned if I were Gmail.
Apple?Not so much.
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This hardly competes with Facetime. Seeing as how Apple doesn't make any money off FaceTime, they probably couldn't care less which videochat service you use. FaceTime exists so there is always, at the very least, a built-in, easy to use service. Apple built Facetime in order to not depend on anyone else for key services.

I would have to totally disagree. It does compete with Factime. The more users Facebook gets to use Skype the more relevant the Skype platform becomes. What it does is marginalize Facetime. People who may not have used Skype in the past will now get a account and eventually use it elsewhere too. By that I mean on all of their devices. It is huge for Skype.

There are currently 700 million Facebook users. If Skype captures just a small fraction of the users that will be HUGE for the platform and again will relegate Facetime to only a specialized product used on Apple's iOS devices.

Do you really think that iTunes would be such a monster platform if it were not on Windows? Windows addresses the largest user base and that is the advantage that Skype has over Facetime. Apple needs to free Facetime from apple only products. Then it too can become dominant like iTunes.
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Seeing as how Apple doesn't make any money off FaceTime, they probably couldn't care less which videochat service you use. FaceTime exists so there is always, at the very least, a built-in, easy to use service. Apple built Facetime in order to not depend on anyone else for key services.

I think this is true. If Facebook's thing works better, great. They'll need a mobile device to run it on, it doesn't drive anyone to a competing platform, so why should Apple care?

However, since MS owns Skype and Ballmer runs MS, I have every confidence they can still screw this up.

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Apple needs to free Facetime from apple only products. Then it too can become dominant like iTunes.

Facetime is an open platform. Didn't you get the memo?
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I would have to totally disagree. It does compete with Factime. The more users Facebook gets to use Skype the more relevant the Skype platform becomes. What it does is marginalize Facetime. People who may not have used Skype in the past will not get a account and eventually use it elsewhere too. By that I mean on all of their devices. It is huge for Skype.

There are currently 700 million Facebook users. If Skype captures just a small fraction of the users that will be HUGE for the platform and again will relegate Facetime to only a specialized product used on Apple's iOS devices.

Do you really think that iTunes would be such a monster platform if it were not on Windows? Windows addresses the largest user base and that is the advantage that Skype has over Facetime. Apple needs to free Facetime from apple only products. Then it too can become dominant like iTunes.

this is a big win for microsoft. don't count them out yet. unless ms screws up skype (quite possible) then facetime has no chance. the competition will be google.
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Facetime is an open platform. Didn't you get the memo?

O RLY?

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Apple has your email address and/or you phone number credit card info and other things if you use facetime also.

I trust Apple with my info. I'm not on Facebook and I don't trust them with my info and I don't trust Google either. They're advertising companies and that's where they get their profit from.
post #16 of 68
Best thing for Apple to do to compete with this service is two things;

1. Release Facetime for Windows platform

2. Integrate Facebook video chat into Facetime so users will have an option to chat with users using iDevices and / or Facebook users

On a side note, I always believed Apple should've bought Skype & integrate it into iOS & Lion.
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I can see where this could be aimed at facetime, but I think this has more to do with google+ then anything else. Someone said google+ could become a "Facebook killer" but all Facebook would need to do is add in some of google+ features and problem solved. I think facebook wants to squash out google+ before it has a chance to really take off, while quieting FaceTime is just an added bonus. My thoughts.
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Apple has your email address and/or you phone number credit card info and other things if you use facetime also.

Actually you can use ANY email (it does not have to be your Apple ID) to do a FaceTime call. As long as you register that email with Apple, your done! No CC no info just your email!
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2. Integrate Facebook video chat into Facetime so users will have an option to chat with users using iDevices and / or Facebook users

Or how about Facebook actually using open standards instead of proprietary crap?

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But you don't have to use it.



To use video, you do. For both of them. And FaceTime. It's the same all around.

I hate Facebook and all the social kissing kssiy stuff.
i have like 9000 friends who all so needy .

FACETIME IS GREAT .

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"We build the infrastructure, we're years ahead in wiring it up, and we're going to enable folks to build world-class apps on top of that," he said of his company's strategy.

Sorry, Facebook is not infrastructure and it's not world class app building.

The infrastructure is what allows Facebook to exist. That's the OS, WebKit/Gecko/HTML5/CSS2,3/WebGL/OpenGL/WebCL/OpenCL/TCP/IP/Sockets/Network Communication Standards/Telco backbone, etc.

Skype doesn't exist without all that infrastructure and standards bodies ratifying VOIP specs, etc.
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Yawn... This was the "Amazing Product" they were hyping? Why not simply use my Skype app?

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the Death Match for control of the "social web" of the future is Google vs. Facebook. both want to become your entrenched home page for everything you do on the web (like AOL and then Yahoo tried some years back). and "social" seems to be the best approach right now. and then monetize it all of course. MS also had such hopes once ... but never really pulled much together beyond XBox Live for hard core gamers (aka males under 30).

Google has an advantage with Android and its cloud ecosystem. your Android launch screen is your home page really, and Google puts all its stuff right there up front, with your stuff in its cloud auto linked into it. you can be sure Google+ will be fully integrated with this ASAP. the best Facebook can do is get you to launch its app instead. not bad, but not best. and Facebook does not have anything like the range of services Google does - yet (except games, where is it much stronger). that's why it is adding Skype now, and more to come this year.

Apple obviously is NOT doing "social." FaceTime is a very nice feature for families with Macs and iThings - and small busineses perhaps - but Apple has not extended it beyond its walled garden. likewise, Apple is building Twitter into Lion for easy simple texting, but Twitter handles the "social" stuff. these are convenience features, not products competing with other like products.

What Apple does need is for FaceBook to have first class iOS apps. and Facebook does not want to blow off Apple's higher end demographic. hence the iPad Facebook app coming soon ... and a Google+ app also?

so what Apple is focusing on is the consumer convenience of its products, to sell more of them of course. NOT to get you to use FaceTime instead of some other video call service.

Facebook knows that. Which is why this story's headline about "compete with Apple" is all wrong.

like i said, the war is Facebook vs. Google. it's a fight between a 5 year old and a 10 year old over who will rule the playground.
post #24 of 68
Apple provides FaceTime as a feature to sell iPhones and iPads. Facebook doesn't make either and can run on iPhones (possibly iPads) so why would apple care?
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Zuckerberg blew it... he could have had Facetime on Facebook... a natural fit.
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the Death Match for control of the "social web" of the future is Google vs. Facebook. both want to become your entrenched home page for everything you do on the web (like AOL and then Yahoo tried some years back). and "social" seems to be the best approach right now.

Well summarized! Facebook is truly the new AOL!
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Facetime is an open platform. Didn't you get the memo?

The thing techy types will never understand is that the general public (I.e. By far the majority of people) don't care about open, they just care about ease of use.

Thats why I use Mac OS and not Linux, and I also use Skype. I couldn't care less if it's "closed" - the fact that it's easy to use at a fair price is all I care about.
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Guys, I think unless Facetime is released for Windows and made compatiple with Skype and got Facebook integrated in it, no one will use it.
Facetime is none existent to the vast majority of people and most of iPhone users. The Skype/Facebook partnership competes against Google Hangout.
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I would have to totally disagree. It does compete with Factime. The more users Facebook gets to use Skype the more relevant the Skype platform becomes. What it does is marginalize Facetime. People who may not have used Skype in the past will now get a account and eventually use it elsewhere too. By that I mean on all of their devices. It is huge for Skype.

There are currently 700 million Facebook users. If Skype captures just a small fraction of the users that will be HUGE for the platform and again will relegate Facetime to only a specialized product used on Apple's iOS devices.

Do you really think that iTunes would be such a monster platform if it were not on Windows? Windows addresses the largest user base and that is the advantage that Skype has over Facetime. Apple needs to free Facetime from apple only products. Then it too can become dominant like iTunes.


I would have totally disagree. How many times do you need to post the same message?


OTH, just because there are what 700m Facebook users does not mean they all are going to use it. Besides, Apple is a hardware company.
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I've said this before and I'll say it again (but not 4 times like tgolly!), Skype and FaceTime aren't truly competitors. FaceTime is built right into Apple products. That means that in many cases, Apple users don't have to bother with a 3rd party program. Many will not even bother to look at a 3rd party program to see if it's better or not.

A simple example. My girlfriend has a MacBook Pro. I have an iPhone 4 and a MacBook Pro. All my brothers have iPhone 4s as do many of my friends, even Apple haters some of them. When my girlfriend wants to talk to me she just FaceTime calls me. She doesn't have to text and say 'get on Skype' or 'get on Facebook, I wanna talk'. She just calls, and my phone just rings.

The impact that this deal MAY have in the future is if Microsoft can incorporate Skype directly into WP7. If they can do that and have the Skype client reachable via a push call so that WP7 users can call other WP7 users without actually signing into Skype (or waiting for Skype to load up) then it would take away FaceTime as a USP of iOS. And if Facebook users could also call WP7 users directly, that could also be a nice selling point, but not a huge one for most people.

iOS/Mac users don't view FaceTime as an app; they see it as a hardware feature almost. That's big, and it's a challenge for Skype. For now, the only reason an iOS/Mac user has to install Skype is to talk to non-Apple users. I have Skype on my Mac and my iPhone but I only load it when a Windows user wants to talk. It's the fallback option, not the weapon of choice or convenience. That's what Skype has to change. If I want to talk to anyone that has a mac or an iPhone (and that's a sizeable group of people these days), I just default to FaceTime because it's more convenient, doesn't require logging in at either end and therefore any prior arrangement with the person I'm calling, and it works well.

I guess what Facebook gets out of this is a shiny new feature to freshen up the service and minimise the impact of the hangout feature on Google+, which does look very nice if it works well.
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Guys, I think unless Facetime is released for Windows and made compatiple with Skype and got Facebook integrated in it, no one will use it.
Facetime is none existent to the vast majority of people and most of iPhone users. The Skype/Facebook partnership competes against Google Hangout.

ARE YOU JOKING
face time with in 8 yrs will have at least 1bn I-tune credit card accounts
that mean's serious people
as facetime gets stronger and better and the word gets out it will be fantastic
facetime is not a social network just yet
but when i have a great hendrix song i will face time some buddies and share with them

face book is an open silly dangerous group of needly people
some factbook clients or most face book clients sign up and leave forever

facetime on the other hand is a powerful toll waiting for when if ever its needed
like honey that coat is so nice and i turn it on and show my wife the color of the coat
stuff like that
facetime is ad free

face book is the largest internet bubble to soon burst

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I don't know WHAT Apple is thinking with FaceTime. I haven't heard a peep about it for about a year. It's a great idea - videochat built into devices, based on already-existing user information (email), with no need for buddy lists. Completely integrated into the phone.

However

1) There's no indiction that it's ever going to be compatible with any of the existing big players (e.g. Skype)

2) They charged a buck for it on old devices!

3) It exists simultaneously with iChat. Whhhhy?!

So, their strategy is to not work with others to use the standard, and be so proprietary that your own company's existing video chat app is incompatible.
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Apple has your email address and/or you phone number credit card info and other things if you use facetime also.

Apple don't sell you out to advertisers.
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To compete with FaceTime, LOL! That had me rolling for a bit, thanks for that.
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ARE YOU JOKING
face time with in 8 yrs will have at least 1bn I-tune credit card accounts
that mean's serious people
as facetime gets stronger and better and the word gets out it will be fantastic
facetime is not a social network just yet
but when i have a great hendrix song i will face time some buddies and share with them

face book is an open silly dangerous group of needly people
some factbook clients or most face book clients sign up and leave forever

facetime on the other hand is a powerful toll waiting for when if ever its needed
like honey that coat is so nice and i turn it on and show my wife the color of the coat
stuff like that
facetime is ad free

face book is the largest internet bubble to soon burst

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Bla bla bla my friend... Keep on dreaming. You need a reality check.
People with Facetime on their phone would rather skype today.
When we talk about telecommunication, one needs to be able to call anyone.
With Apple, you got to call another Apple users.
It's just too limited even if, like now, they are willing to license it.
It won't fly until they make it compatible with other technologies such as windows and Skype.
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Originally Posted by PaulMJohnson View Post

The thing techy types will never understand is that the general public (I.e. By far the majority of people) don't care about open, they just care about ease of use.

Thats why I use Mac OS and not Linux, and I also use Skype. I couldn't care less if it's "closed" - the fact that it's easy to use at a fair price is all I care about.

Agreed.
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The people that really should start worrying a little bit, should really be the carriers.
Once people keep using this types of service they can do with less and less phone minutes.

Also if Google's Android works out with Apple a deal. Android gets FaceTime, and Apple can have the Navigation App. That would connect an awful lot of users there.
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Well maybe Apple didn't get the memo either, but you gotta admit it came straight from Steve Jobs...
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I don't know WHAT Apple is thinking with FaceTime. I haven't heard a peep about it for about a year. It's a great idea - videochat built into devices, based on already-existing user information (email), with no need for buddy lists. Completely integrated into the phone.

However

1) There's no indiction that it's ever going to be compatible with any of the existing big players (e.g. Skype)

2) They charged a buck for it on old devices!

3) It exists simultaneously with iChat. Whhhhy?!

So, their strategy is to not work with others to use the standard, and be so proprietary that your own company's existing video chat app is incompatible.

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Bla bla bla my friend... Keep on dreaming. You need a reality check.
People with Facetime on their phone would rather skype today.
When we talk about telecommunication, one needs to be able to call anyone.
With Apple, you got to call another Apple users.
It's just too limited even if, like now, they are willing to license it.
It won't fly until they make it compatible with other technologies such as windows and Skype.

dude if you have itunes and OWN an apple facetime device .you can facetime away .
i say with in 6 to 8 yrs FACETIME will be a monster free service <<no ads either >>

msft and all the otters can't do this because they don't have any amount of devices sold
like say the zune !!!
1 million sold <> zune
FACETIME DEVICES <> 120 million sold

Facetime is just starting out and there are a fucking ton of head aches with it
but sometime soon a will make free video call world wide to any of my ....

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