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Apple is planning a "major revamp" of the iPhone in 2012 that may include a new charging method, according to people familiar with the matter.

The Wall Street Journal added possible details of a sixth-generation iPhone to an earlier report on the so-called "iPhone 5," which is expected this fall.

Wednesday's report claimed Apple's next iPhone will be smaller and lighter with an 8-megapixel camera. The iPhone maker reportedly hopes to build 25 million units of the device by the end of 2011, though sources said the new model is "complicated and difficult to assemble" and could face production constraints.

However, investors are said to be expecting a "bigger boost" to the company's iPhone business next year. "People briefed on Apple's plans said the company is planning a major iPhone revamp then, with one person saying the company has been experimenting with features such as a new way of charging the phone," the report said.

The source was unable to provide further details on any new charging technology Apple is working on. Patent filings for a range of alternative charging methods could provide some indication of Apple's plans, though the vast majority of Apple's patent applications never see the light of day. In particular, the company has looked into induction charging of iOS devices through "non-contact based platforms." An Apple patent filing published last year described an iPad dock with inductive coils.

It has also been suggested that Apple will transition its iOS devices to connecting over the Thunderbolt port, rather than USB. The Apple and Intel co-developed standard provides power and 10Gbps of data and display. A job posting from the Cupertino, Calif., company discovered in April listed ARM processor experience as a requirement for a "Thunderbolt Software Quality Engineer" position, a possible sign that future versions of the iPhone or iPad could incorporate the technology.

The Journal's sources also contributed to a much-talked-about rumor that Apple is working on a "less-expensive phone," adding that the device could have new features such as an edge-to-edge screen. Speculation of a cheaper iPhone was reignited last week when Deutsche Bank analyst Chris Whitmore suggested that Apple will release a $349 contract-free iPhone later this year. However, analysts and media outlets disagree on whether a cheaper iPhone is indeed coming in the near future.
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http://www.zdnet.com/blog/igeneratio...e-charger/1964
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I would love to see a mag-safe plug with a newer and smaller form factor.
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I would love to see a mag-safe plug with a newer and smaller form factor.

I love the MagSafe idea, though a change in form factor to something smaller would cause ecosystem upheaval. Some accessories could still work with a 30-pin adapter/converter, but others such as speaker docks would not work without redesigning the docking portion.

Meanwhile, I see little reason for Apple to move to Thunderbolt. Even for Mac users, the port has only just been introduced, and it's non-existent on PCs in its DisplayPort form factor. Seems like until something more ubiquitous than USB comes around, we'll still be stuck with it. I for one think this will become less and less of a consideration as Apple moves towards WiFi syncing for iOS devices.
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Another reason iPhone 5 will likely be the first generation that I have skipped since 2007. iPhone 4 just works too well!

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Apple is planning a "major revamp" of the iPhone in 2012 that may include a new charging method, according to people familiar with the matter.

I heard it will be powered by the dashed hopes and dreams of android fanboys.

Too far?
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I heard it will be powered by the dashed hopes and dreams of android fanboys.

Too far?

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I don't understand why a fifth-generation phone could be difficult to assemble if it were just a tad thinner, lighter and faster with a better camera! Really hoping that iPhone 5 fulfills these iPhone 6 rumors rather than having to wait until next year.

If it was a hardware delay like analysts claim, then surely this would warrant it!
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I would love to see a mag-safe plug with a newer and smaller form factor.

Magsafe works well for laptops because they are heavy enough to resist being pulled off the table if you trip over the cord. You could conceivably scale down the guass for a lighter device but then you run the risk of a weak magnet making it feel cheap.

There are other tantalising possibilities. It could be primarily for helping the connector to snap into place for inductive charging. No need to dedicate space to a cavity that only serves to accept a dock connector. iCloud sync takes care of the data.
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I don't understand why a fifth-generation phone could be difficult to assemble if it were just a tad thinner, lighter and faster with a better camera! Really hoping that iPhone 5 fulfills these iPhone 6 rumors rather than having to wait until next year.

If it was a hardware delay like analysts claim, then surely this would warrant it!

You don't understand because this is not taught in general schools that serve for governments and corporations behind them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_obsolescence

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFRXlBFkUxo
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You don't understand because this is not taught in general schools that serve for governments and corporations behind them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_obsolescence

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFRXlBFkUxo

Excuse me? Don't patronise me with your government school rubbish. I don't attend a government school and I don't even live in the United States. I might not be as technically informed as you are but my logic tells me that a similar phone to something that's been on the market for over a year shouldn't take extra time to develop than usual.

I was and still am happy to be told otherwise - it was a personal view, and did not require an unnecessary response attacking my education or knowledge.
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I heard it will be powered by the dashed hopes and dreams of android fanboys.

Too far?

Too soon!

OTH, I think with this too many stories, iPhone 5 (a.k.a iPhone 4S) Holiday 2011 and iPhone 6 (major) Summer/Fall 2012 (yes, we will still be here -- the world will not end).
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would love to see a magnetic induction charging system on the iphone like the touchstone on the palm pre:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1V7K...eature=related

That's an awesome feature - one I'd like to see at Apple as soon as possible.

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Too soon!

OTH, I think with this too many stories, iPhone 5 (a.k.a iPhone 4S) Holiday 2011 and iPhone 6 (major) Summer/Fall 2012 (yes, we will still be here -- the world will not end).

Haha, I can just imagine the Apple marketing 1984-style with a 'phone to end all phones'.
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Excuse me? Don't patronise me with your government school rubbish. I don't attend a government school and I don't even live in the United States. I might not be as technically informed as you are but my logic tells me that a similar phone to something that's been on the market for over a year shouldn't take extra time to develop than usual.

I was and still am happy to be told otherwise - it was a personal view, and did not require an unnecessary response attacking my education or knowledge.

You see--the government schools do not permit one to understand assembly of an iPhone that is just a tad thinner, lighter and faster with a better camera. They only do the bidding of the governments and corporations behind them. It is all in these two links:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_obsolescence

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFRXlBFkUxo

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Excuse me? Don't patronise me with your government school rubbish. I don't attend a government school and I don't even live in the United States. I might not be as technically informed as you are but my logic tells me that a similar phone to something that's been on the market for over a year shouldn't take extra time to develop than usual.

I was and still am happy to be told otherwise - it was a personal view, and did not require an unnecessary response attacking my education or knowledge.

I apologize if you misunderstood what I mean, but I wasn't attacking your education, but the education system of the world in general, which isn't States exclusive.

What I mean is, deliberate inefficiency is 'essential' in our monetary economic system because there's profit in it. You can ask any high-level engineers in the biggest corporations, but don't expect they'll be telling. Even though the 6th gen phone's technology is available now, it's deliberately excluded from the 5th gen because 5th gen with a little upgrade means another round of profit in this consumerist system. Everyone's gotta have the latest phone, if you know what I mean.

Don't want to be long-winded here, but yeah, monetary system clashes with common sense, that's why many find it hard to understand, but most are still in the box.
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You don't understand because this is not taught in general schools that serve for governments and corporations behind them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_obsolescence

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFRXlBFkUxo


If you ask me, the obsolescence is dictated by the rapid change and progression of technology and by human nature wanting the next big thing. For something to be obsolete, by definition, the device is rendered worthless when the successive device is released, which is just not the case, especially with Apple products. The iPhone 3GS is still being sold and has a lot more longevity as far as functionality goes, provided its user is happy with its limited ability, even though it has a more limited function than current devices. AFAIK, ALL generations of iPods are still sync-able. Having said that, Apple marketing almost makes it irresistible to buy the next big thing.

IMHO, when speaking about electronic devices, it's cynical to think obsolescence is planned on the drawing board to the degree that you are implying. Isn't it the nature of the (technological) beast, so to speak?

I still use my iPod Mini and 1st gen. iPod nano on a regular basis. Nothing obsolete about them. I even full-cycle washed and dried the Nano and it still works!

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I apologize if you misunderstood what I mean, but I wasn't attacking your education, but the education system of the world in general, which isn't States exclusive.

What I mean is, deliberate inefficiency is 'essential' in our monetary economic system because there's profit in it. You can ask any high-level engineers in the biggest corporations, but don't expect they'll be telling. Even though the 6th gen phone's technology is available now, it's deliberately excluded from the 5th gen because 5th gen with a little upgrade means another round of profit in this consumerist system. Everyone's gotta have the latest phone, if you know what I mean.

Don't want to be long-winded here, but yeah, monetary system clashes with common sense, that's why many find it hard to understand, but most are still in the box.

Sorry, I was indeed mistaken. I agree with you completely, although I read somewhere (perhaps on 9to5 Mac rather than here) that analysts believed the iPhone 5 was delayed from a summer launch because of a hardware issue and then reading here that is was difficult to assemble made me question the likelihood of it being difficult because it's only a minor upgrade... doesn't make sense.

But yeah, a minor upgrade that keeps Apple ahead but not too far ahead is perfectly acceptable from a business stand-point. As a consumer wish to buy the next iPhone, however, I obviously want the best so as to not be outdated too quickly. Haha, selfish I know...
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If you ask me, the obsolescence is dictated by the rapid change and progression of technology and by human nature wanting the next big thing. For something to be obsolete, by definition, the device is rendered worthless when the successive device is released

Exactly! I get so sick of people thinking that if something is not the newest thing available then it's obsolete. If it's still of general use, it's not obsolete.
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If you ask me, the obsolescence is dictated by the rapid change and progression of technology and by human nature wanting the next big thing. For something to be obsolete, by definition, the device is rendered worthless when the successive device is released, which is just not the case, especially with Apple products. The iPhone 3GS is still being sold and has a lot more longevity as far as functionality goes, provided its user is happy with its limited ability, even though it has a more limited function than current devices. AFAIK, ALL generations of iPods are still sync-able. Having said that, Apple marketing almost makes it irresistible to buy the next big thing.

IMHO, when speaking about electronic devices, it's cynical to think obsolescence is planned on the drawing board to the degree that you are implying. Isn't it the nature of the (technological) beast, so to speak?

I still use my iPod Mini and 1st gen. iPod nano on a regular basis. Nothing obsolete about them. I even full-cycle washed and dried the Nano and it still works!

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"Perceived obsolescence is the method by which things that are perfectly good are made to be obsolete. If the way something looks is updated, then everyone can tell that you havent contributed to the Golden Arrow lately. Advertising and media play a huge role in this. The point of an ad is to make us unhappy with what we have."

If products are made to last, whether perceived or physical, the monetary system as we know it will go down the drain very fast (not that it's not going down the drain now).
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Magsafe works well for laptops because they are heavy enough to resist being pulled off the table if you trip over the cord. You could conceivably scale down the guass for a lighter device but then you run the risk of a weak magnet making it feel cheap.

Magsafe doesn't even work as well now with laptops as it used to. The newer cable design is better for reducing cable wear but means there are some angles at which magsafe won't disconnect.

Personally I'm seriously unconvinced by the induction coil idea. In order to get power across at a decent rate you'd need a coil of significant size - and Apple obviously want to reduce the size of their device as far as they can.
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Magsafe doesn't even work as well now with laptops as it used to. The newer cable design is better for reducing cable wear but means there are some angles at which magsafe won't disconnect...

Yeah... It's weird... I like the old Magsafe. It was just fine. I never had cable wear issues on either end of the old Magsafe cable, though I did see a few people have problems with it. But overall it was rare in the last few years of the old Magsafe.
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I apologize if you misunderstood what I mean, but I wasn't attacking your education, but the education system of the world in general, which isn't States exclusive.

What I mean is, deliberate inefficiency is 'essential' in our monetary economic system because there's profit in it. You can ask any high-level engineers in the biggest corporations, but don't expect they'll be telling. Even though the 6th gen phone's technology is available now, it's deliberately excluded from the 5th gen because 5th gen with a little upgrade means another round of profit in this consumerist system. Everyone's gotta have the latest phone, if you know what I mean.

Don't want to be long-winded here, but yeah, monetary system clashes with common sense, that's why many find it hard to understand, but most are still in the box.

You really don't know what you are talking about. The iPhone4, iPad2 and many other products are cutting edge technology that are constrained by manufacturing limitations. Maybe 6th gen phone technology is available now but that does not mean it can be manufactured in adequate quantities to get the price where it needs to be. Just because you can make one or a handful of a new cutting edge product today doesn't mean you can make 50-60 million of them tomorrow, these things take time.

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post #23 of 53
It isn't difficult to guess.
Induction charging will be used instead of cables, toothbrush companies do this as long as I can remember.
A 'cheap' iPhone will soon be introduced. Its just a question of keeping and expanding your market.
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Phew. Finally some iPhone 6 rumors.
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Don't want to be long-winded here, but yeah, monetary system clashes with common sense, that's why many find it hard to understand, but most are still in the box.

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If you ask me, the obsolescence is dictated by the rapid change and progression of technology and by human nature wanting the next big thing. For something to be obsolete, by definition, the device is rendered worthless when the successive device is released, which is just not the case, especially with Apple products. The iPhone 3GS is still being sold and has a lot more longevity as far as functionality goes, provided its user is happy with its limited ability, even though it has a more limited function than current devices. AFAIK, ALL generations of iPods are still sync-able. Having said that, Apple marketing almost makes it irresistible to buy the next big thing.

IMHO, when speaking about electronic devices, it's cynical to think obsolescence is planned on the drawing board to the degree that you are implying. Isn't it the nature of the (technological) beast, so to speak?

I still use my iPod Mini and 1st gen. iPod nano on a regular basis. Nothing obsolete about them. I even full-cycle washed and dried the Nano and it still works!

Hmmm, running iOS4 my iPhone 3G feels pretty obsolete. iPhone 5 should be the ticket - I'm such a victim.
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You forgot the unicorn farts.

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You forgot the unicorn farts.

Yeah, because that iw a windows phone 7 feature...
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The Wall Street Journal added possible details of a sixth-generation iPhone to an earlier report on the so-called "iPhone 5," which is expected this fall.

Wednesday's report claimed Apple's next iPhone will be smaller and lighter with an 8-megapixel camera.

However, investors are said to be expecting a "bigger boost" to the company's iPhone business next year. "People briefed on Apple's plans said the company is planning a major iPhone revamp then, with one person saying the company has been experimenting with features such as a new way of charging the phone," the report said.

The source was unable to provide further details on any new charging technology Apple is working on.

The Journal's sources also contributed to a much-talked-about rumor that Apple is working on a "less-expensive phone," adding that the device could have new features such as an edge-to-edge screen.

I'm almost sure that the WSJ and all these other so called analysts are making this stuff up and claiming it to be from official (yet anonymous and unnamed) Apple sources. Reminds me of my post just yesterday on WSJ's last article claiming the new iPhone to be thinner and lighter.

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The iPhone 5 will be 9mm thin with a slightly larger chassis to support new technology and a larger screen.

The screen will be 4 inches diagonal and will sport a high definition resolution of 1080x720p. This will be the first HD iPhone, and iOS 5 will be able to optimize apps to work with this higher resolution in much the same way OS X can optimize apps for screen sizes ranging from 11 inches to 30 inches.

It will have a dual mode wireless radio and the one phone will be sold on all major US carriers. Not only that but the phone will support HSPA+ meaning that this will be the first "4G" iPhone and T-Mobile and AT&T will have it activated. Verizon is already preparing for this by readying an ad campaign claiming their 3G iPhone is better than AT&T and T-Mobile's 4G iPhone.

It will have a 8 megapixel camera and will be able to shoot video in 1080p as well as shoot stills with much higher clarity and vibrancy. It will also have an A5 chip with the faster graphics processor we first saw in the iPad. Apple will use this for highly involved video and photo editing.

Battery life on the new iPhone will also be stellar because of new software and hardware advances. It will be announced in late September and sold shorty afterward.

Source: An Anonymous Analysts with connections to Anonymous Apple Employees close to the development.

See? I can make up an entire post, and purport the information in the post to be "facts" from "Anonymous Apple Employees close to the development." And because that's said everyone takes the info at face value.

I honestly doubt people at Apple were talking to WSJ about the 6th gen iPhone when gen 5 hasn't even come out. The only way I could see this being true is if there's another "leaker" in their midst.
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Forget induction pad systems. Maybe Apple is going to be the company to eventually perfects Tesla's energy transmission theory. The next Airport Extreme also charges your devices! A new take on Wi-Tricity?
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Magsafe works well for laptops because they are heavy enough to resist being pulled off the table if you trip over the cord. You could conceivably scale down the guass for a lighter device but then you run the risk of a weak magnet making it feel cheap.

Youre absolutely right!
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I believe there is a curve in a field of technology between technological advances and speed of obsolescence. There are many factors that fall into this as well including manufacturing limitations, costs, etc.

Basically, a new field of technology races out of the gates and changes rapidly. It tends to slow down and become more stable. I'm on a 3 year old MacBook Pro running Lion with a 2.53 Ghz Core 2 Duo and 4GB of RAM and Lion runs great. There used to be a time when you'd say, "Ugh my PC is 3 years old and chugging along. I think it's gonna die soon." and you may still say that with cheap Windows machines. But that's not the case in these days.

The same goes for iPhone. 3G just can't power the advancements in the OS. But I think iPhone 4 will be the first to last longer. I ran into someone complaining about how slow their 3GS was and that surprised me.
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I believe there is a curve in a field of technology between technological advances and speed of obsolescence. There are many factors that fall into this as well including manufacturing limitations, costs, etc.

Basically, a new field of technology races out of the gates and changes rapidly. It tends to slow down and become more stable. I'm on a 3 year old MacBook Pro running Lion with a 2.53 Ghz Core 2 Duo and 4GB of RAM and Lion runs great. There used to be a time when you'd say, "Ugh my PC is 3 years old and chugging along. I think it's gonna die soon." and you may still say that with cheap Windows machines. But that's not the case in these days.

The same goes for iPhone. 3G just can't power the advancements in the OS. But I think iPhone 4 will be the first to last longer. I ran into someone complaining about how slow their 3GS was and that surprised me.

I agree with you.

On the last point, a suggestion to your friends with 3Gs ... I don't need a phone that much but my wife does so I get her cast off iPhones. The 3Gs and 3G (used as an iPod now) I have were slowed after iOs updates but I found by switching off all the spotlight search options it made a huge difference and I never missed the search feature anyway.
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The same goes for iPhone. 3G just can't power the advancements in the OS. But I think iPhone 4 will be the first to last longer.

Actually all the iPhones have had a pretty decent lifespan by comparison with the industry average for phones.

Feature-phones tend to last around 2years, with a few exceptions. Android phones stop getting OS updates around the year mark. Each of the iPhones has had around 3 years of full OS level support - more if you include the partial support. I'd say they go beyond decent and hit the excellent mark.

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I ran into someone complaining about how slow their 3GS was and that surprised me.

Maybe he was using an early build of OS 4? Supposedly that had issues on the 3GS that were later resolved.
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iphone 5 plus or iphone 6 should a tad smaller to the touch and it should have a better over all camera 8 mega pixel setup .

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Let me guess, is it inductive charging?

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I agree with you.

On the last point, a suggestion to your friends with 3Gs ... I don't need a phone that much but my wife does so I get her cast off iPhones. The 3Gs and 3G (used as an iPod now) I have were slowed after iOs updates but I found by switching off all the spotlight search options it made a huge difference and I never missed the search feature anyway.

Whoa, I clearly missed that feature... I didn't know you could turn off Spotlight. I may have to give that a try.
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A new CHARGING METHOD???? WOW!!!

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Phew. Finally some iPhone 6 rumors.

Nothing new. We've been listening to LTE iPhone rumors for months.

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Whoa, I clearly missed that feature... I didn't know you could turn off Spotlight. I may have to give that a try.

It is well hidden! Go to Settings- General -Home - Search Results

I've read a hard reset after you disable everything is best.
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