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The on-again, off-again rumors of whether Apple plans to introduce a second iPad model during the 2011 calendar year received yet another twist this week, with an unverified report alleging the company may introduce a high-definition model and at least one "Pro app" this fall targeted at media professionals.

More specifically, the rumor floated by former Engadget editors and posted to their This is my next blog cites unnamed sources who claim an iPad with the much rumored double-screen resolution of 2048 x 1536 (1, 2) will debut as the "iPad HD" alongside the iPhone 5 this fall.

"The idea behind the product is apparently that it will be a 'pro' device aimed at a higher end market folks who work in video and photo production possibly and will be introduced alongside something like an iPad version of Final Cut or Aperture," the report speculates. "This product is specifically said to not be the iPad 3, rather a complimentary piece of the iPad 2 line. Think MacBook and MacBook Pro."

Such a move would presumably threaten to fragment both Apple's iOS device family and App Store in a manner the company has long strived to avoid in an effort to keep its mobile ecosystem simple and streamlined. Since the iPhone's inception, the company has committed to releasing a single iPhone model each year (with carrier and capacity options), and similarly one new iPad model each year.

Meanwhile, its App Store is broken down into the same two categories, apps for iPhones and apps for iPads. The latest rumor does not address whether the rumored Pro apps destined for the so-called iPad HD would be backwards compatible with traditional iPads, or restricted to the higher-end model. It also provides no color on why Apple would choose to fragment the iPad line with the addition of an HD display to one model in 2011 just months before introducing an entirely new family of iPads in early 2012 that could command the same treatment.



It should be noted that the sources attributed in the latest report have a mixed track record on future Apple products at best. For instance, they reported back in January that the iPad 2 would include the same illusive HD display, an SD Card slot and a dual GSM / CDMA chipset produced by Qualcomm -- all of which were inaccurate. The screen on the iPad 2 largely mirrored that of the iPad 1, there was no SD Card slot and Apple used separate baseband chips in the CDMA and GSM iPad 2 -- including an Infineon 337S3833 Baseband Processor in the GSM model.

However, those same sources did accurately predict that Apple would introduce a new streaming Apple TV last year priced at $99 and based around an A4 chip. But several other details in that report also turned out to be unsubstantiated, such as claims that the device would include 16GB of storage, support 1080p, and run Apple's traditional iOS.

As an aside, Thursday's rumor of an iPad HD was accompanied with claims that Apple's iPhone 5 will arrive in a slimmer, lighter form-factor than the iPhone 4. It states that reports over whether this year's handset will resemble an iPhone 4 or a completely new design have varied because Apple has been testing a more compact set of iPhone 5 internals inside existing iPhone 4 enclosures to mask them and the true identity of the iPhone 5 from the outside world.
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I'm guessing it's iMovie renamed Final Cut Pro X for iPad.

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As for fragmenting the iOS device family, well that's already happened.
The qualitative difference is that, compared to Android fragmentation, there are far fewer iOS devices than android devices, and most users are using the latest iOS version.

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I'm guessing it's iMovie renamed Final Cut Pro X for iPad.

It's Final Cut Studio 7 for the iPad - PSYCH!
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Such a move would presumably threaten to fragment both Apple's iOS device family and App Store

Curious...

The iPhone 3Gs wasn't left behind when the iPhone 4 was released with its Retina display, so why would the iPad and iPad2 ?
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As for fragmenting the iOS device family, well that's already happened.
The qualitative difference is that, compared to Android fragmentation, there are far fewer iOS devices than android devices, and most users are using the latest iOS version.

There are fewer iOS devices than Android manufacturers
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come on, if your gonna post an article, an use a graphic, lets not use one that is totally wrong OK?
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The on-again, off-again rumors of whether Apple plans to introduce a second iPad model during the 2011 calendar year received yet another twist this week, with an unverified report alleging the company may introduce a high-definition model and at least one "Pro app" this fall targeted at media professionals. ...

This is such an absolutely ridiculous rumour it's hard to know where to start.

The only thing I find interesting about it is that because it comes from the revered Joshua Topolowsky, the tech press is actually taking it seriously, when if it came from almost any other source it would be roundly ridiculed (as it no doubt should be).
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come on, if your gonna post an article, an use a graphic, lets not use one that is totally wrong OK?

Actually it's correct (potentially" there was an editor recently that remote logged into his Mac running FCPX and it looked like FCPX was a native iPad app running.

Kinda makes you say hmmmmmmmm.
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Is it really realistic to think that a tablet form factor could have anywhere near the processing horsepower to be useful to a professional video editor?

I know the iPad is powerful, but surely such people need the capabilities of a Mac Pro/Macbook Pro?
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But several other details in that report also turned out to be unsubstantiated, such as claims that the device would include 16GB of storage, support 1080p, and run Apple's iOS.

The 2nd-gen Apple TV does run iOS albeit with a different UI.
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Is it really realistic to think that a tablet form factor could have anywhere near the processing horsepower to be useful to a professional video editor?...

Maybe not, but I'd like to see a version of FCPX for the iPad that would allow me to use all the features of FCPX in preview mode, and when I'm back at my desktop I can render the full-res.

Using the iPad for quick edits and stuff on a project instead of working from memory is a big plus. Rendering the hires can always wait.
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Curious...

The iPhone 3Gs wasn't left behind when the iPhone 4 was released with its Retina display, so why would the iPad and iPad2 ?

I wonder why the author purported that when as you said compatibilty wasn't a problem for the 3GS and 4.
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Is it really realistic to think that a tablet form factor could have anywhere near the processing horsepower to be useful to a professional video editor?

I know the iPad is powerful, but surely such people need the capabilities of a Mac Pro/Macbook Pro?

If the iPad were to get a "pro" designation I would assume it would get more computing power also more power just to run the RD efficiently. All that meaning a iPad Pro would need an A6 quad core chip making it nearly as powerful as the MacBook pros of just a few years ago.

But I'll add my personal skepticism. I doubt apple will unveil an A6 iPad this year. If they did what would they come out with next year?
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I think an iPad Pro is inevitable. The Macs and laptops have Pro levels, so why not the iPad? Besides, the hi-res screens are in constrained supply right now, so Apple would never be able to make enough units if they upgraded the displays across the board. With a Pro level, Apple can deliver a premium product alongside a price-sensitive product. More storage, faster chips, you know the drill.
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My prognostication:

Apple will unveil a completely new device -- the guts of an iPad with a keyboard and no touch-screen. Meaning: an Apple version of the Chromebook. This will become the Macbook Air. The iCloud is now in place for them to do what Google is doing.

(This prognostication could jive with the rumors that Apple has run Macbook Airs with A5 chips.)

The current Macbook Air will -- as Steve said at the release of the Air last summer -- be what the Macbook Pro lineup will be like.


I don't have use for an iPad, but am intrigued by the Chromebook. I want a web device with a keyboard, and the Chromebook just about fits the bill. But the OS is still unpolished.
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My prognostication:

Apple will unveil a completely new device -- the guts of an iPad with a keyboard and no touch-screen. Meaning: an Apple version of the Chromebook. This will become the Macbook Air. The iCloud is now in place for them to do what Google is doing.

(This prognostication could jive with the rumors that Apple has run Macbook Airs with A5 chips.)

The current Macbook Air will -- as Steve said at the release of the Air last summer -- be what the Macbook Pro lineup will be like.


I don't have use for an iPad, but am intrigued by the Chromebook. I want a web device with a keyboard, and the Chromebook just about fits the bill. But the OS is still unpolished.

Unless Apple redefines iCloud, it does not support the equivalent of a Chrome book. Likely, your prognostication is doomed to be wrong.
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As for fragmenting the iOS device family, well that's already happened.
The qualitative difference is that, compared to Android fragmentation, there are far fewer iOS devices than android devices, and most users are using the latest iOS version.

They all run the same version of the OS. (except the iPhone 3G and earlier, which is at least 2 years old).

In Android land, you can still buy phones which are several OS versions behind.
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My prognostication:

Apple will unveil a completely new device -- the guts of an iPad with a keyboard and no touch-screen. Meaning: an Apple version of the Chromebook. This will become the Macbook Air. The iCloud is now in place for them to do what Google is doing.

(This prognostication could jive with the rumors that Apple has run Macbook Airs with A5 chips.)

The current Macbook Air will -- as Steve said at the release of the Air last summer -- be what the Macbook Pro lineup will be like.


I don't have use for an iPad, but am intrigued by the Chromebook. I want a web device with a keyboard, and the Chromebook just about fits the bill. But the OS is still unpolished.

How is Chromebook any better than a cheap netbook with Chrome running on it?
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They all run the same version of the OS. (except the iPhone 3G and earlier, which is at least 2 years old).

In Android land, you can still buy phones which are several OS versions behind.

Actually the 3G runs the latest version until iOS 5 comes out, though it doesn't support all the features.
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Is it really realistic to think that a tablet form factor could have anywhere near the processing horsepower to be useful to a professional video editor?

Professional editors were using Macs since before the PowerPC processor - e.g. 40MHz 68040 Mac Quadras. The iPad is the equivalent of a mid-range PowerMac G4 - so yes, it could be done. I wouldn't try previewing transitions on HD video in realtime, but the editing could easily be accommodated.
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I doubt apple will unveil an A6 iPad this year. If they did what would they come out with next year?

It is very possible that the iPad updates could be moved to the Fall rather then in March. Right now the iPod, iPhone, and iOS will all come out around the fall so why should the the iPad be pushed back all the way to March? Also it is logical to update the OS at the same time you are updating the hardware.
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My prognostication:

Apple will unveil a completely new device -- the guts of an iPad with a keyboard and no touch-screen. Meaning: an Apple version of the Chromebook. This will become the Macbook Air. The iCloud is now in place for them to do what Google is doing.

(This prognostication could jive with the rumors that Apple has run Macbook Airs with A5 chips.)

The current Macbook Air will -- as Steve said at the release of the Air last summer -- be what the Macbook Pro lineup will be like.


I don't have use for an iPad, but am intrigued by the Chromebook. I want a web device with a keyboard, and the Chromebook just about fits the bill. But the OS is still unpolished.

I don't see apple ever making a chromebook type device. Apple is more about giving users full scale high quality apps not so much about a connected web experience that entirely revolves around the Internet. That's just not Apple, and honestly I don't think average people want a just Internet device. I love that a lot of my apps can be used and enjoyed offline. I don't always have access to wifi, 3G data is pricey nowadays and you can't even use the Internet in some places like airplanes but you can use iPads.

There are a lot of reasons why I think full-scale devices are better than web devices but we'll see how the future Chromebooks sell. I could be wrong.
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I want a web device with a keyboard, and the Chromebook just about fits the bill. But the OS is still unpolished.

Buy any Mac laptop. Wait for Lion.

Then only ever boot into Safari-Only mode. There's your precious (read: worthless) browser-only computer.
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I just don't believe that Apple would try to market an "iPad Pro" that is by all accounts a niche product. Apple has put a lot of price pressure on its 10" tablet competitors with the iPads pricing, and it doesn't seem right for them to try and go after a niche market.

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It is very possible that the iPad updates could be moved to the Fall rather then in March. Right now the iPod, iPhone, and iOS will all come out around the fall so why should the the iPad be pushed back all the way to March? Also it is logical to update the OS at the same time you are updating the hardware.

This is true but the iPad doesn't exactly run the same version of iOS the iPhone and iPods run. We always see a lot of extra iPad specific features and even some iPad only software, so it's less important it's unveiled the same time as the other iOS products.
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There's one simple reason why this is nonsense - MacBook Air.

Here in Canada the entry-level Air currently checks in at $1,049 with 64GB of flash storage.

The iPad 2 retails for $719 with the same capacity but no 3G. Add 3G and the price climbs to $849.

Let's compare apples to apples and speculate what the proposed HD iPad would cost in wi-fi only form, i.e. $719 + maybe a $199 premium for the high-end screen. In other words $918.

I have to ask, what is the market for a $918 iPad when a more fully featured Air checks in at a meagre $131 more. Let's remember that with memory prices dropping, it could well be that in a short while when Apple brings out the new Air, either the price drops or more memory is added. Either way, this iPad HD model that is repeatedly rumoured on the way, doesn't make sense in Apple's product mix. If you want to go to something that is a step up from the iPad, the Air is already it.
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Is it really realistic to think that a tablet form factor could have anywhere near the processing horsepower to be useful to a professional video editor?

I know the iPad is powerful, but surely such people need the capabilities of a Mac Pro/Macbook Pro?

Not absolutely. If we could make some exchanges (producer or Director to editor for example) using proxies (it was noted by someone on this forum that iOS already supports prorez i think) then it could be a very useful tool. There is "online" collaborative software available that don't offer a whole hell of allot in terms of function, but they are useful when working remotely. Perhaps this will tie into the cloud as well.

Other than that iMovie is perfectly capable on the iPad so no question an iPad could do it. It would be reserved for simple tasks, but it could useful.
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This is such an absolutely ridiculous rumour it's hard to know where to start.

The only thing I find interesting about it is that because it comes from the revered Joshua Topolowsky, the tech press is actually taking it seriously, when if it came from almost any other source it would be roundly ridiculed (as it no doubt should be).

Unless you went with Sherman to the future and back in your time machine or have dinner with Steve on a regular basis then what give you any special insight to call it ridiculous (other than maybe you just bought a iPad2 and don't want to feel like you should have waited).

What should be roundly ridiculed is your post
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I have to ask, what is the market for a $918 iPad when a more fully featured Air checks in at a meagre $131 more

The people who paid full retail for http://www.amazon.com/Wacom-Cintiq-1...0070697&sr=8-8

There is a market for higher end tablets amongst people who currently use high end graphics tablets. The only question is, is it a market that Apple cares about? How many photographers, graphic designers, architects, etc do they think will want this? How much buzz do they think such users will generate?
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Buy any Mac laptop. Wait for Lion.

Then only ever boot into Safari-Only mode. There's your precious (read: worthless) browser-only computer.

Most of the time that's all I use -- Firefox on my 2008 MBP. There are plenty of us who would find a browser-only device 'useful'.

Oh, and at about 1/3 of the price, with longer battery life.

But thank you for your input (read: worthless)
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There's one simple reason why this is nonsense - MacBook Air.

Here in Canada the entry-level Air currently checks in at $1,049 with 64GB of flash storage.

The iPad 2 retails for $719 with the same capacity but no 3G. Add 3G and the price climbs to $849.

If you want to go to something that is a step up from the iPad, the Air is already it.

How about a tactile Air?

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As for fragmenting the iOS device family, well that's already happened.
The qualitative difference is that, compared to Android fragmentation, there are far fewer iOS devices than android devices, and most users are using the latest iOS version.

The way that Apple created the API, it is not fragmented in the sense that Android is. This wouldn't be any different than developing for both the Retina and non-retina iPhone displays as it's simply doubling (or quadrupling depending on how you look at it) the resolution. Most app developers already have created these high resolution images so those apps will work out of the box on a "Pro" version of the iPad. The proportions of UI elements will stay the same to remain usable.
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I don't think this rumor is impossible.
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Oh, and at about 1/3 of the price, with longer battery life.

So grab an iPad and Bluetooth keyboard or a 7" netbook running BSD.
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Well if this is true, then it's a good thing that Apple is destroying their Pro apps lineup and driving away the pro customers right before releasing it. Or is this expected to import FCP7 projects unlike the desktop version?
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Is it really realistic to think that a tablet form factor could have anywhere near the processing horsepower to be useful to a professional video editor?

I know the iPad is powerful, but surely such people need the capabilities of a Mac Pro/Macbook Pro?

iPad might have enough storage for editing a 15 sec HDTV ad as long as you didn't have too many takes. Otherwise where are your clips? In the cloud I suppose. Yeah that's pro all the way. It is probably some interface app to complement FCP X.

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Most of the time that's all I use -- Firefox on my 2008 MBP. There are plenty of us who would find a browser-only device 'useful'.

Oh, and at about 1/3 of the price, with longer battery life.

But thank you for your input (read: worthless)

There are probably others who feel a browser only device would be perfect for them too, but even so I don't see that as a market Apple would be interested in competing. Apple isn't
about web apps, search, or online advertising so such a device would not be beneficial to them. Also their current web services are either weak or nonexistent. iCloud is only going to work with apps not on a webpage.

Apple already has a successful ecosystem that they developed why turn in a completely different direction now? Also most people would probably rather have the full featured iPad for $500 over a chromebook of the same price
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If you want to go to something that is a step up from the iPad, the Air is already it.

I have to agree with your logic, but it will probably not be sold on the basis of logic to reasonable people, but by emotion to certain susceptible people.

The great thing about the iPad is that there is ne keyboard. It changes your relationship with the screen in mysterious ways. When the screen resolution comes up to standards (set by the iPhone 4) it will seem like you are holding a world in your hands, not a computer screen.

I hate to use the word "magical," but . . . you get the idea.
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iPad might have enough storage for editing a 15 sec HDTV ad as long as you didn't have too many takes. Otherwise where are your clips? In the cloud I suppose. Yeah that's pro all the way.

Client server is always an option - in that model the tablet becomes a more convenient control mechanism to a more powerful machine. The point of a tablet isn't just that it's a portable device, it's that it has a paradigm busting control mechanism - and that's applicable in lots of ways.
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I want a web device with a keyboard, and the Chromebook just about fits the bill. But the OS is still unpolished.

Buy an iPad, this $50 keyboard, and only use Safari.

Done.
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