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The Cube was to bridge the gap between consumer and pro lines. With it's demise, the only Macs that can drive Apple's LCD displays are it's towers. I'm guessing that towers account for 25% of all Macs sold.

The 17" LCD display is amazing and would be a perfect addition to an iBook/Powerbook. user. Furthermore, the new iMac's screen while awesome, is only 15" and also cannot use these displays.

Doesn't it just make sense (financially) that you make a product that reaches a larger target audience. Doesn't it make sense that Apple's displays work with 100% (or at least 75%) of it's products?

Hopefully new LCD's will arrive soon (once promo runs out?) with VGA ports or some sort of simple connection.
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Sure, if you want to shove that powercord back onto them. Apple displays are powered through the ADC, so no hooking it up to a portable. Should work with the iMac though...in terms of power anyway. Its a nice idea but the iMac and PowerMac need to be more diferentiated before this happens...i.e. the powermac getting a g5.
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If you want a LCD monitor with a vga connection buy a non-apple model. Maybe they are only targeting their pro audiance. The new imacs already have a LCD screen and having the ability to add a second one kinda negates the design of them.. I am waiting for somebody to figure out how to replace the imac's LCD with a the 22" model.
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Having the ability to add a second monitor to an iMac does not defeat the purpose of its form. It enhances its features and its function as a digital hub.

The iMac needs to be relatively cheap (okay at least the crt is still there) and simple, but there is no marketing reason to keep it from giving it a twin-view capability. Keeping an iMac artificially un-expandible just to seperate it from the pro line doesn't make sense. It is marketing double-speak. Let the iMac be the best consumer desktop and the PowerMac be the best professional desktop and let each develop with the fastest processors, etc. that is reasonable.

I think any iMacs that cannabalize a PowerMac sale is a good thing. It is a purchase from Apple and it kicks the pro design team in the butt each time.
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personally, I'm not even sure why Apple switched so soon. None of my co-workers have bought the Apple Display, nor have I. What would a pro use it for? They aren't color accurate (pre-press) nor are they cheap. Further, even as a secon monitor you practically have to be straight on to the thing to avoid color shifts and blocking. Even for video, where color accuracy isn't soooooo much of an issue as for pre-press they aren't great. I agree, it's odd that a "consumer" product ended up being compatible only with the pro towers. Doesn't make much sense. I would assume that would explain the price promotion. Too pricey for my taste given the performance. I'll wait another five years or so befor I'll switch to "thin Screen" technology. Maybe if the "oled" thing takes off the xtra cost would be negated by the performance.
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[quote]Originally posted by orb24:
<strong>personally, I'm not even sure why Apple switched so soon. None of my co-workers have bought the Apple Display, nor have I. What would a pro use it for? They aren't color accurate (pre-press) nor are they cheap. Further, even as a secon monitor you practically have to be straight on to the thing to avoid color shifts and blocking. Even for video, where color accuracy isn't soooooo much of an issue as for pre-press they aren't great. I agree, it's odd that a "consumer" product ended up being compatible only with the pro towers. Doesn't make much sense. I would assume that would explain the price promotion. Too pricey for my taste given the performance. I'll wait another five years or so befor I'll switch to "thin Screen" technology. Maybe if the "oled" thing takes off the xtra cost would be negated by the performance.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Apple displays are the highest quality LCDs out there. truly. they are price competitive and the majority of people who buy PowerMacs get the Apple LCD with them.

There is no reason except for prepress not to use one of the apple lcds. they handle everything fine and have wide viewing angles.
post #7 of 45
If I could run an Apple lcd display from my iBook, I'd buy one. VGA ports on the displays would be nice, but I'd love to see a DVI out port on all of Apple's computers. I understand that the displays are powered by the ADC, but why couldn't Apple make an adapter that separated the AC power (which would go to the wall socket), from the DVI, that could come from the iBook, or Powerbook, via a mini port similar to the miniVGA port on the current iBook. I want to buy an Apple monitor to use with my iBook at home, but if I want an additional monitor, I am forced to look elsewhere.
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[quote]Originally posted by Scooterboy:
<strong>If I could run an Apple lcd display from my iBook, I'd buy one. VGA ports on the displays would be nice, but I'd love to see a DVI out port on all of Apple's computers. I understand that the displays are powered by the ADC, but why couldn't Apple make an adapter that separated the AC power (which would go to the wall socket), from the DVI, that could come from the iBook, or Powerbook, via a mini port similar to the miniVGA port on the current iBook. I want to buy an Apple monitor to use with my iBook at home, but if I want an additional monitor, I am forced to look elsewhere.</strong><hr></blockquote>


maybe because the adapter would cost a lot due to the need for a power supply.

there are already adapters that do just that and as result are expensive
post #9 of 45
Then depending on "expensive", offer it as an extra cost option. They do that just for the composite video cable, and that's just a cable. It's a moot point on my VGA only iBook, of course, which means that I'll be buying a non-Apple monitor, when I'd rather buy an Apple one.
post #10 of 45
actually, an interim solution would be to put a DVI port on the back, instead of VGA, and then ship it with a DVI to VGA adapter (like what's happening with the GeForce4 Ti). Then, users could buy a DVI-ADC adapter (like the Dr. Bott one), and use Apple's displays, and everyone's happy.

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post #11 of 45
Seems like Apple doesn't want to sell their displays. They do everything possible to make their potential market as small as possible.

I would buy a 3rd party LCD over an Apple LCD, just to save money, and because I'd be able to use the 3rd party LCD with a laptop.

IMO Apple should drop their display line entirely and focus on computers. They don't have what it takes to make a competitive LCD.
post #12 of 45
what apple should do:

-keep ADC
-add all the USB, VGA(???), and powersupply plugs on the back
-have as an option that for $50, apple will ship the necessary cables to hook the display up to any other computer

i'm not sure if this is technically feasible, but it seems to be. if it is apple should do this
post #13 of 45
Or

-Make dual ADC graphics cards, where a power supply board piggybacks on the graphics card and connects to a molex connector. Or have the power supply board on the motherboard. Apple's motherboards have plenty of real estate. Right now you can't 'upgrade' the computer's power supply for it to handle more than 2 monitors.

-For every ADC port ship an adapter as standard which converts ADC into DVI, VGA, USB and soft power.

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And JYD, apart from the fact that Apple doesn't include an adapter Apple's flat panels are pretty good.

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A flat panel isn't any good if you can't use it with your computer, is it? Even Powerbook and iBook users cannot use the Apple LCD displays...that's a pathetic, terrible design flaw.

But you're right, the screen itself is nice. The problem is with the design of the LCD.

I think what Apple should do is drop ADC.

1. ADC makes Apple displays incompatible with most other computers, thus hurting Apple sales.

2. ADC makes Mac video cards more expensive, thus hurting Mac users.

3. ADC makes it harder for a video card company to make a Mac video card, thus hurting Mac user's choice.

4. ADC offers no clear benefits over VGA. Nobody was complaining about a few extra cords prior to ADC. I personally think a computer with a nest of cords in back of it looks dead cool, sort of Borg-ish in nature.

5. ADC increases the cost of motherboards by forcing Apple to put a power supply for Apple displays in the mobo.

6. ADC forces Apple to use only LCD displays, or only CRT displays 17" and smaller, because the ADC cannot provide enough power for larger CRT displays. (but of course larger CRT VGA displays can be used).

All in all, ADC only hurts Mac owners. In some cases Apple's proprietary designs help mac users, like with Firewire, but ADC is simply being different for the sake of being different. VGA would cut the manufacturing costs for Apple, improving their margins. And nobody, I mean NOBODY, is going to buy a Mac because the monitor lacks a power cord. That's ridiculous.
post #16 of 45
Thread Starter 
I'm glad to hear everyone else is on board.
Now the question is...is Apple listening?
Jobs claims that they do, when they unveiled the 14" iBook.

Surely, Apple must know this is an issue. Both their laptops and the iMac have a VGA output. Yet they discontinue all their CRT's and go ADC. It's like they're saying, if you need an additional monitor, don't give us your money, give it to NEC, or Sony.

Let's hope they get their act together and launch a slew of new LCD's once the current promotion is over.
post #17 of 45
I think that Apple will be content to sell you an expensive third party adaptor.

No other brand of laptop that I can think of comes with DVI, so far they're all VGA.

How expensive are DVI to ADC adaptors? It's the same signalling, so it ought to be just a matter of providing power and changing pins. And bringing USB on board.

Apple could supply DVI-I (I think, maybe 'a'? whichever the version that carries both analogue and digital) instead of a VGA port on it's laptops. Then they could supply a simple box/powerbrick for externally powering a cinema display. Something that plugs straight into the wall like the new style power adaptor for iBooks and TiBooks. Two wires come from the power plug (not the notebook): one is ADC to the display, and another is DVI (with USB split off at the end) that you plug into your notebook.


Benefits?

1) You can retrofit existing displays, just buy the wall plug.
2) You'll need a powerplug anyway (to drive the display), so no additional boxes
3) Just DVI to ADC pinout = No expensive analogue to digital conversion.
4) You keep VGA out (on the same plug) not for use with the Cinema displays but for all the monitors and projectors still in use out there.
5) you keep DVI out for all the third party panels and projectors that will probably use that and not ADC.
6) it's all on one industry standard plug.

Additionally, you could just beef up the portables' adaptor to supply power to both a notebook and an Apple display. This way when you buy a notebook you don't need any additional wall plugs to run an Apple display, but you keep all the benefits described above. Instead of one port on the power adaptor you have two. Carry the cords you need, or leave a brick permanently plugged into your ACD/ASD at home/work.
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[quote]Originally posted by Junkyard Dawg:
<strong>A flat panel isn't any good if you can't use it with your computer, is it? Even Powerbook and iBook users cannot use the Apple LCD displays...that's a pathetic, terrible design flaw.

But you're right, the screen itself is nice. The problem is with the design of the LCD.

I think what Apple should do is drop ADC.

1. ADC makes Apple displays incompatible with most other computers, thus hurting Apple sales.

2. ADC makes Mac video cards more expensive, thus hurting Mac users.

3. ADC makes it harder for a video card company to make a Mac video card, thus hurting Mac user's choice.

4. ADC offers no clear benefits over VGA. Nobody was complaining about a few extra cords prior to ADC. I personally think a computer with a nest of cords in back of it looks dead cool, sort of Borg-ish in nature.

5. ADC increases the cost of motherboards by forcing Apple to put a power supply for Apple displays in the mobo.

6. ADC forces Apple to use only LCD displays, or only CRT displays 17" and smaller, because the ADC cannot provide enough power for larger CRT displays. (but of course larger CRT VGA displays can be used).

All in all, ADC only hurts Mac owners. In some cases Apple's proprietary designs help mac users, like with Firewire, but ADC is simply being different for the sake of being different. VGA would cut the manufacturing costs for Apple, improving their margins. And nobody, I mean NOBODY, is going to buy a Mac because the monitor lacks a power cord. That's ridiculous.</strong><hr></blockquote>


1.) You buy a mac you own a mac. Apple is not in the market to worry about its compatibility hardware wise with PCs. They don't want PC users to buy and use their cool mac peripherals. same thing with the iPod. Mac only

2.) Apple has priced the ADC enabled cards at street price. 399 for the Geforce 4 Ti is what you would pay elsewhere. no increased cost there. Onyly problem is getting older cards.

3.) Nothing harder about it. Switching either the VGA or DVI port for an ADC port is trivial. It doesn't add much if anything to the cost and they only have to add the plug onto the card to access the power/usb slot on the motherboard.

4.) Maybe if you said over DVI you would have a bit better arguement but ADC offers a lot more of VGA, most notaby a digital connection. I don't want to see apple starting to implement analog circuitry again and getting a bad signal.

And again, a mac is supose to be elegant, easy to use, "clean", simple. ADC delivers on that. A single plug and you're set, no cable mess.

5.) Uh... there is no power supply "in the motherboard". ADC displays feed off the mac's main power supply

6.) You have no basis for comlaint here. You make no sense. ADC isn't limiting your CRT choices in the slightest. Not at all. So what exactly is your point?


Also, ADC is not proprietary and Firewire is DEFINITELY not proprietary. There is no basis for saying just using VGA would cut cost. If anything ADC may actually be cheaper for Apple as they only need to supply one power supply for both a tower and a display
post #19 of 45
Apple stopped making CRT-based displays because they are low margin, and its a cut throat business. Well all know Apple likes its fat margins (and for good reason), so they go for the display niche where the margins are still high. A big part of why they sell displays at all is just "the package" -- look at a Mac + LCD + speakers display in the store and it just looks really slick. That sells Macs. The interoperability with PC & laptops, 2nd monitor issues, etc is all irrelevant from Apple's point of view... they are just after wow-factor.
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post #20 of 45
Perhaps they're hoping ADC will become a standard like USB. Didn't IBM invent it?
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ADC is not 100% Apple invention. The next version of PC DVI is to have the power in one cord maybe with USB as well. Apple just jumped the gun a little (As Always). You can't change things with out pissing people off but that's life oh well.

Apple is trying to reduce the number of cables a machine needs to connect together. This is the soul idea behind ADC. When the PC world starts using this standard then things will change. It would be nice to see a docking station with a ADC port but that's not likely.

Funny how we all cry for change and then bitch when they do something totally different. How can you Think Different with out doing different? If Apple were like all the other companies their slogan would be "Fit in" or "Do the Same" or "follow the masses"

If they start loosing money in that area they will make the changes. Don't humble you self into thinking that you know more about running Apple then Apple's board. Unless of course you own a Fortune 500 company yourself.

If it bothers you then buy a nice Sony 18.1 they will be happy to sell to you.

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[quote]Funny how we all cry for change and then bitch when they do something totally different. How can you Think Different with out doing different? If Apple were like all the other companies their slogan would be "Fit in" or "Do the Same" or "follow the masses"
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What we want is for Apple to do different things with technology and software. ADC is doing something different with a power cord.

I think Programmer is dead on, Apple likes LCDs because of their high margin. That makes the most sense of any explanation I've heard. And Apple needs high margins.
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[quote]Originally posted by Elderloc:
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If it bothers you then buy a nice Sony 18.1 they will be happy to sell to you.
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Uh...hello? That's the point.
Yeah, I 'm sure Sony would be happy to sell to you. Buy why give the money to Sony when it should easily go right to Apple?
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[quote]Originally posted by satchmo:
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Uh...hello? That's the point.
Yeah, I 'm sure Sony would be happy to sell to you. Buy why give the money to Sony when it should easily go right to Apple? </strong><hr></blockquote>

that's not the point,

the market for apple portable users that want to buy a 600 or 1000 or 2500 LCD in addition is extremely small. It's not a market apple has to worry about serving or "sacrifice" their design to compensate for.

you are the minority. they are not limiting your choices. the only thing they are limiting is your choices of apple products. crazy huh
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Remember that the only machine besides the tower that can really benefit from ANY second display is the PowerBook. Apple does need ways to differentiate products, and has chosen monitor spanning support as one way to differentiate the consumer fron the pro lines. I for one see mirroring as next to useless except for use with projectors, which is an absolutely TINY market, due to the horrendous price of LCD projectors which hasn't gone down at all in the last 3 years, or for use with a TV which is only useful for DVD playback.

Unfortunately, Apple seems to think that there's not much market among PowerBook users for second displays, and is content to let competitors fill in this niche. I for one am getting a flat panel second display for my PowerBook as soon as I can afford it, and I'm very sorry I won't have the option of making that purchase an Apple purchase.
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[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
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that's not the point,

the market for apple portable users that want to buy a 600 or 1000 or 2500 LCD in addition is extremely small. It's not a market apple has to worry about serving or "sacrifice" their design to compensate for.

you are the minority. they are not limiting your choices. the only thing they are limiting is your choices of apple products. crazy huh</strong><hr></blockquote>

I would challenge that assumption that the market is small. Bear in mind, that this applies not only to portables, but also the new iMac.

While the iMac is intended as an all in one unit, the current design would lend itself very well to adding another LCD display. I would venture to guess there will be a large number of users who may wish to add to the current 15" display.

No, Apple is certainly not limiting my choices, but you have to question why they would choose to lose an LCD sale over aesthetics.
Surely they can come up with a elegant. solution.
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[quote]Originally posted by satchmo:
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I would challenge that assumption that the market is small. Bear in mind, that this applies not only to portables, but also the new iMac.

While the iMac is intended as an all in one unit, the current design would lend itself very well to adding another LCD display. I would venture to guess there will be a large number of users who may wish to add to the current 15" display.

No, Apple is certainly not limiting my choices, but you have to question why they would choose to lose an LCD sale over aesthetics.
Surely they can come up with a elegant. solution.</strong><hr></blockquote>

as tonton just pointed out, the only people really affected are powerbook users.

you say there is a market for the iMac. how? how many people want a mirror image on a 17 inch 1000 display of what is on the 15 inch display?

same with the iBook.

face it, the market is TINY, just the limited amount of powerbook users. and if they really want it the adapter is like $150
post #29 of 45
Yeah your all so right.. What do I know, I can't compete with all you Fortune 500 company owners, your all millioniares. You all know what's best for Apple. Company's are in business to make money, and if they can please their customers as well it's a bonus. However you can't live 100% for your customers or you'll go broke trying to please them.

Truth is Apple could care less about you, they don't owe you any thing. If you choose to buy then great if not oh well. Everybody wants something and the sad reality is that not every one gets what they want. Of course it sometimes seems you guys think Apple owes you free Macs.

Oh and for the guy that said we want Apple to make better technology, not a better power cord. It's the small things that add up, in the end. You have to start small, you don't reinvent the wheel by making another wheel. There has to be differances and the power cord is one of these.

People seem to forget it's not how fast the computer is, it's what you can do with it. You all keep asking for more power but 99% of you don't even need it. Most of the 99%'s are people that want bragging rigths over PC's. Say what you will but that's what it all boils down too. <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
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There must be some type of demand out there.
Otherwise, why would companies invest in marketing stuff like this.....
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It seems to me that some of their PC users must be asking for this.

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[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
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as tonton just pointed out, the only people really affected are powerbook users.

you say there is a market for the iMac. how? how many people want a mirror image on a 17 inch 1000 display of what is on the 15 inch display?

same with the iBook.

face it, the market is TINY, just the limited amount of powerbook users. and if they really want it the adapter is like $150</strong><hr></blockquote>

Granted, mirror imaging is not the best (that's another beef) but let's don't under estimate the size of that Powerbook base. It's pretty large.

The answer is we don't know what the actual demand is.
When you develop a peripheral like a LCD, you want to make it available to the widest audience.
And to make that an option available in the next round of displays is simple and cheap.
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[quote]Granted, mirror imaging is not the best (that's another beef) but let's don't under estimate the size of that Powerbook base. It's pretty large.<hr></blockquote>

the iMac was just your big reason for there being a huge market and now its nothing and you're back to the powerbook.

the market is small

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The answer is we don't know what the actual demand is. <hr></blockquote>

yea we do. the demand is a select few from a single product line that already has a built-in display and usually only buys an external CRT if they need an external monitor do to cost/size/ and color accuracy

[quote]When you develop a peripheral like a LCD, you want to make it available to the widest audience. <hr></blockquote>

1.) says who?
2.) Apple is making it to a wide audience. All tower buyers. the people who actually buy them

[quote]And to make that an option available in the next round of displays is simple and cheap. <hr></blockquote>

how is it simple and cheap? they have to add analog-&gt; digital boards and also a powersupply. that's neither simple or cheap
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[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
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yea we do.</strong><hr></blockquote>

And how do you know that? Do you have proof? Or is it that you're always correct.

Perhaps a simple poll of Powerbook owners may be a better indication than your gospel word.
How many Powerbook users would like to have the option of connecting their laptop to an Apple branded LCD.

Let's assume only 25,000 Powerbook owners were were to buy a LCD from Apple (and that's a very low number). If Apple averages a net return of $500 per unit, that would bring in 1.25 million. I'd say that would make it a worthwhile investment.

The point about the iMac is moot. While I still believe there is a market there, any LCD purchase from an iMac owner would be gravy.
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[quote]And how do you know that? Do you have proof? Or is it that you're always correct.<hr></blockquote>

little of both

[quote]
Perhaps a simple poll of Powerbook owners may be a better indication than your gospel word. <hr></blockquote>

and that would be accurate how?

[quote]How many Powerbook users would like to have the option of connecting their laptop to an Apple branded LCD.<hr></blockquote>

there is a difference between liking the option and actually buying a display.

ie: yea, fine, give me the option. I'm not going to buy 1000 dollar display just to hook up to my powerbook though

[quote]
Let's assume only 25,000 Powerbook owners were were to buy a LCD from Apple (and that's a very low number). <hr></blockquote>

actually that is a very high number. extremely high in fact

1 in every 8 powerbook buyer is going to pay an additional 600, 1000, or 2500 on an external display?
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[quote]If Apple averages a net return of $500 per unit, that would bring in 1.25 million. I'd say that would make it a worthwhile investment.<hr></blockquote>

too bad it would not be that high and is only revenue not profit.

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The point about the iMac is moot. While I still believe there is a market there, any LCD purchase from an iMac owner would be gravy. <hr></blockquote>

sorry but you would have to be an idiot to think there was a market on the imac. really. I think anyone who would actually pay that much just to get a mirrored image would not have any problem whatsoever paying 150 bucks for an adapter
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Rock on Applenut!

I do think that there would be a larger market for Apple's LCD's if they had the option to do more than mirror the other display image.

It would be great to have the iMacs 15'' and an Apple 15'' LCD next to each other but with one or someday both at higher resolutions. Same for the iBook and TiBook.

I also wonder why Apple doesnt produce a cheap 12'' LCD display...I might buy one to replace my monster 15'' CRT. I wouldnt care about the size difference and a 12'' display would only cost $399.
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ie: yea, fine, give me the option. I'm not going to buy 1000 dollar display just to hook up to my powerbook though
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1 in every 8 powerbook buyer is going to pay an additional 600, 1000, or 2500 on an external display? too bad it would not be that high and is only revenue not profit.
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How much does a 22" Cinema Display cost?
Average it out. Again, no proof of demand.

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sorry but you would have to be an idiot to think there was a market on the imac. really. I think anyone who would actually pay that much just to get a mirrored image would not have any problem whatsoever paying 150 bucks for an adapter
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Well there was a market. But Apple in it's infininte wisdom chose mirroring.
How many more LCD's they would sell if it's products were not crippled through mirroring?

The iMac and the iBook are mass consumer products...so what do they do? They fix it so users won't want to buy their expensive LCD's. Instead they target the smaller segment of pro users.

If there's a strategy there, I can't see it.
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ie: yea, fine, give me the option. I'm not going to buy 1000 dollar display just to hook up to my powerbook though
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15" LCD = $599

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1 in every 8 powerbook buyer is going to pay an additional 600, 1000, or 2500 on an external display? too bad it would not be that high and is only revenue not profit.
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How much does a 22" Cinema Display cost?
Average it out. Again, no proof of demand.

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sorry but you would have to be an idiot to think there was a market on the imac. really. I think anyone who would actually pay that much just to get a mirrored image would not have any problem whatsoever paying 150 bucks for an adapter
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Well there was a market. But Apple in it's infininte wisdom chose mirroring.
How many more LCD's they would sell if it's products were not crippled through mirroring?

The iMac and the iBook are mass consumer products...so what do they do? They fix it so users won't want to buy their expensive LCD's. Instead they target the smaller segment of pro users.

If there's a strategy there, I can't see it.</strong><hr></blockquote>

If Apple just lowers prics by $300 per display then there is no big problem and adapters would be bundled...well, then I see no problem. But I dont think Apple will do that.

I think the issue will be resolved at MWNy or sooner because the displays (as good as they are) have not been updated for quite some time, until then forget about it. It isnt your problem and Apple made some $ last quarter of I remember correctly.
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[quote]Originally posted by Macintosh:
<strong> I think the issue will be resolved at MWNy or sooner because the displays (as good as they are) have not been updated for quite some time, until then forget about it. It isnt your problem and Apple made some $ last quarter of I remember correctly.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Perhaps MWNY, perhaps never.
I know Apple enough that they march to their own beat.
So, I'm not losing sleep over it.
It's always fun to second guess Apple.
post #40 of 45
[quote]Originally posted by Scooterboy:
<strong>If but I'd love to see a DVI out port on all of Apple's computers. I understand that the displays are powered by the ADC, but why couldn't Apple make an adapter that separated the AC power (which would go to the wall socket), from the DVI, .</strong><hr></blockquote>

EEK. ADC is digital like DVI and therefore better than VGA and it is a one cord solution. A tower plugged into one of these puppies looks very elegant - very Apple. ADC is slick.
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