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post #41 of 110
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Originally Posted by cloudgazer View Post

  • Not all of Nokia's patents were GSM patents, thus not all were covered by FRAND - and non-FRAND patents you can charge as much or little as you like. Even FRAND patents it can be complicated because generally they're part of larger cross-licensing agreements, which Apple didn't want to enter into.
  • Apple never really cared about Nokia's current infringement because Nokia is irrelevant in the smartphone sector right now, They didn't want to license their proprietary tech because it's always possible Nokia might not be in future. Apple's suit against Nokia was defensive, so naturally they dropped it as part of the settlement.
  • Nokia will soon be a WP7 shop and thus covered by Microsoft's licenses, Microsoft has full access to Apple's tech so the need for Nokia to play rough ended.

Basically you're wrong about absolutely everything.

I doubt seriously that Microsoft has full access to Apple's patent portfolio. The cross-licensing IP deal that they signed back in 1997 was good for 5 years....well before the current tech was developed or patented.
post #42 of 110
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Originally Posted by lkrupp View Post

So HTC's idea of fair competition is to be able to copy everything Apple innovated with the iPhone? The iPhone comes out in 2007, jump starts the smartphone market, and now everybody is copying it. Schmidt comes off the Apple board and Android suddenly takes off. HTC grabs Android, photocopies the iPhone and expects Apple to just sit back and "play fair"? Not hardly.

Absolutely correct. Apple should win all of these law suits and HTC should go back to making dumb phones.
post #43 of 110
And if HTC can't innovate they just copy. Got it!
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post #44 of 110
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Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer View Post

Nokia got nothing from Apple wrt to cross-patent licensing.



This is Nokia agreeing to standard terms on the original license Apple wanted to pay wrt GSM and other mobile patents Nokia attempted to add a tariff on that no other licensee had to pay and thus started the whole Apple using and not paying to use turf war.

Nothing in the language stipulates a cross-licensing agreement of patents. Try again..

OK, I'll try again.
Quote from Apple spokesman: “Apple and Nokia have agreed to drop all of our current lawsuits and enter into a license covering some of each other’s patents, but not the majority of the innovation that makes the iPhone unique,” Apple said. “We are glad to put this behind us and get back to focusing on our respective businesses.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/15/te...okia.html?_r=1

By stating "not the majority of the innovation that makes the iPhone unique" it infers that at least some of the unique iPhone patents are now licensed to Nokia.
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post #45 of 110
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Originally Posted by davesmall View Post

Absolutely correct. Apple should win all of these law suits and HTC should go back to making dumb phones.

The people that constantly say iPhone clones are okay because "how else are you to do a touchscreen phone?" make me laugh... As if there's only one way to do it.

It is possible to make a decent touchscreen phone without blatantly copying someone else. Windows phone 7 is a good example, it's a very decent device. It's biggest obstacle is coming out far too late.

The iPhone, while not perfect, was very well designed right out of the gate. It set a new bar for what a smartphone should be and despite it's high price tag, it proved to be extremely popular with consumers. The reality is some of these companies did not want to take a chance on going their own way as Microsoft did. It was safer to mimic what had already been proven to be a runaway success. (crank out iPhone clones)

I don't expect any company to sit there an watch someone rip off their designs. Apple gambled big-time attempting to take mobile devices to an entirely new level. That kind of R & D does not come cheap.

I would agree that the patent system as it stands today, is a total wreck however and where Apple is proved to have violated others IP, they need to pay licensing fees too. Live by the sword, die by the sword.
post #46 of 110
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Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer View Post

The quality of patents Apple is amassing for its entire product lines should leave large mounds of waste in the competition's shorts.

It's July and Apple's cleared 400 patents granted this year-to-date. I wouldn't be surprised if they clear 750 by the end of 2011. That would be nearly 200 more than 2010.

Unlike IBM with it's yearly 5,000+ Apple's patents are clearly materializing into massive revenues and profits.

I'm sure Apple will more than triple the number of patents you forcasted for 2011 with the sale of the NORTEL patents going through. The only question is who in the consortium of Apple, Microsoft, Sonny, Ericsson, Nokia, and RIM, got what in that sale. Only the consortium knows.

There were 6000 patents in that sale and they are all phone related.
post #47 of 110
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Originally Posted by AaronJ View Post

OK, first off: What I know about this stuff could leave a thimble 2/3 empty, at best.

Secondly, it seems to me that everyone is doing this to everyone else these days. It's not like one company is horrible, and everyone else are angels. Every day I come here, and there's some new patent case.

Obviously, this is the way, partially, that people are doing business.

At least it seems to me.

The handset market is in HUGE turmoil right now due to Apple's disruptive appearance. 5 years ago, the players were all established and everything was right with the world. The iPhone showed the incumbents that old school computer players could play with the big boys in the telecom industry. Then Android came in and kicked into high gear. Neither of these systems came from players with any IP in the telephone industry but within a few years, they were sucking away all of the profits the industry had to offer.

Stir the pot, you are bound to make the snakes unhappy.
post #48 of 110
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Originally Posted by peter236 View Post

The Americans tend to mix up foreign countries. No wonder they don't even realize Apple is not always clean. Apple was made to pay Nokia and will be made to pay HTC, for copying foreign technology. When are Apple supporters going to realize that Apple has made very little innovation in telecommunications technology?

Good thing you don't generalize. People who generalize suck! ;-) I don't know what Apple has bought to the telecom tech table, but I'm willing to wager it is more than HTC. HTC is an OEM. Nothing more. They would have nothing, to be frank, without American tech.

Regardless, Apple's stamp on smartphones, I would argue is irrefutable and substantial. Simply look at phones pre-2007 and post 2007.

Look at what has happened to Nokia. Decimated.
post #49 of 110
Hopefully they'll learn to deal with the fact that Apple's competing fairly and suing them.
post #50 of 110
Here is my quick (incomplete) comparison of the iphone 4g vs HTC Evo 3D

Similarities:
- Is a phone (cell radio)
- GPS Radio
- rectangular, backlit touchscreen
- OS based on some flavor of -nix
- volume and power buttons (in different places)
- 3.5mm headphone jack
- front facing camera
- ambient light sensor
- proximity sensor? (not sure if iphone has this)

And then the different things Evo has:
-custom home screens with widgets
-3D autostereoscopic display
-launch-from-lock-screen functionality
-unobtrusive notifications
-dual rear cameras
-built in microSD card
-replaceable battery
-built in USB/HDMI w/ full storage access
-touch navigation buttons

Maybe Apple is just positioning themselves to "steal" one of the features in the second list. I'd welcome ANY of them, personally.
post #51 of 110
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Originally Posted by peter236 View Post

Just by looking at the telecommunication related patents that Apple is actually holding, you will realize how few innovation Apple has made in the telecommunication field, compared with Nokia, Samsung and the others.

Really!? Could that be because Apple is not a telecommunications company!?
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post #52 of 110
While you're reading about HTC and Samsung's replies, just remember:

First came the iPhone. And then, all of a sudden, came everything else.

Then, later, came the iPad. And then, all of a sudden, came all the other tablets.
post #53 of 110
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

While you're reading about HTC and Samsung's replies, just remember:

First came the iPhone. And then, all of a sudden, came everything else.

Then, later, came the iPad. And then, all of a sudden, came all the other tablets.

. . . and first came the Sony Walkman, and then came the iPod. That's not evidence that Apple copied the Walkman is it?
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post #54 of 110
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Originally Posted by j2-core View Post

Apple has lost every bit of their integrity. They are going to find that their childish lawsuits are going to hurt them in the end when government rewrites patent laws loosening their scope rendering many of Apples patents void. Hell, Apple has done such a great job with their patents, the patent office will probably us them as the new standard.

Oh look, another 2011 newbie with a healty Apple-hate.
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post #55 of 110
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Originally Posted by peter236 View Post

The Americans tend to mix up foreign countries. No wonder they don't even realize Apple is not always clean. Apple was made to pay Nokia and will be made to pay HTC, for copying foreign technology. When are Apple supporters going to realize that Apple has made very little innovation in telecommunications technology?

When are you going to realize that Apple is not a telecommunications company?

Apple makes mobile devices with cell radios that are used for telecommunications ... that's it. They buy parts (radios) and put them in their devices and write the software to utilize those radios.

Nokia IS a telecommunications and has been for a very long time... Apple was not MADE to pay, Apple has stated that they always intended to pay Nokia for their IP, but only for a fair fee.

HTC, like Apple, buys cell radios to put in their devices. They are not a telecommunications company either, but a smartphone OEM.
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post #56 of 110
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Originally Posted by Neo42 View Post

Here is my quick (incomplete) comparison of the iphone 4g vs HTC Evo 3D

Similarities:
- Is a phone (cell radio)
- GPS Radio
- rectangular, backlit touchscreen
- OS based on some flavor of -nix
- volume and power buttons (in different places)
- 3.5mm headphone jack
- front facing camera
- ambient light sensor
- proximity sensor? (not sure if iphone has this)

And then the different things Evo has:
-custom home screens with widgets
-3D autostereoscopic display
-launch-from-lock-screen functionality
-unobtrusive notifications
-dual rear cameras
-built in microSD card
-replaceable battery
-built in USB/HDMI w/ full storage access
-touch navigation buttons

Maybe Apple is just positioning themselves to "steal" one of the features in the second list. I'd welcome ANY of them, personally.

That secondary list looks like a bunch of stuff I'd have zero interest in except for notifications.
-custom home screen and widgets? IMO I bought a phone, not a house. I don't care about customizing anything. I just want it to work. As for widgets, it eats battery life and consumes data. If I need to know the weather I can look outside.
-3D whatever? Not sure what that is. If it's basically 3D, that's ok. I find 3D to be a gimmick
-launch from lock screen? I use my phone for work so it must be password protected upon locking. I can't and do not want anything launching from the lock screen without my password being entered which would make this feature useless
-dual rear cameras? Why? What is the purpose of that?
-sd card? I have plenty of onboard storage, don't want to keep up with an sd card, and those slots can get gunk in them from daily use
-replaceable battery? I owned the original iPhone until this year with zero issues with the battery. Why would I need or want to keep up with an extra battery?
-USB/hdmi? For what purpose? AirPlay works for flicking media to my tv, a $15 camera connection kit works fine at photoshoots and the less I have to sync my phone the better (can't wait for ios5!)
-touch navigation buttons? Navigating what and where?
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post #57 of 110
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Really!? Could that be because Apple is not a telecommunications company!?

Interestingly enough, for me personally, the "phone" capabilities are what I use the least on my iPhone. It's everything else that the iPhone does and does well that makes it one of the best selling devices.

This of course, just my opinion. I've be wrong before...Just ask my ex-wife!
post #58 of 110
"HTC says Apple would rather sue than compete 'fairly in the market'"

Funny how some things never change. I seem to recall Franklin and Bell & Howell saying the same thing about Apple 30 years ago when they tried to sell their Apple ][ clones.
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And then the different things Evo has:
-custom home screens with widgets
-launch-from-lock-screen functionality
-unobtrusive notifications

have nothing to do with HTC and everything to do with android. also the 2nd is a security risk

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-3D autostereoscopic display
-dual rear cameras

really? cause we need 3d everything now including our pictures so we can show them off on our camera.
also interested in the viewing angle of this 3d feature. Link

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-built in microSD card
-replaceable battery
-built in USB/HDMI w/ full storage access

battery i never needed to replace, with a memory slot i never needed to use with connections we don't need

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-touch navigation buttons

buttons we never wanted in the first place

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Maybe Apple is just positioning themselves to "steal" one of the features in the second list. I'd welcome ANY of them, personally.

they can keep these so called features
post #60 of 110
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Originally Posted by freckledbruh View Post

-dual rear cameras? Why? What is the purpose of that?

It's for taking the 3D video.
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It's for taking the 3D video.

Ah, ok. Call me a Luddite, but I don't need that.
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post #62 of 110
HTC loves to pay licensing fee to MSFT for every sold Android.
Why are they paying MSFT but not Apple?

We are seeing something funny happened in the Android market. 2 weeks ago Apple got the Touch Interface patent. Since then Android makers have been desperate to sign up with Microsoft. They hope that MSFT patent portfolio will protect them from Apple.

MSFT is in this case a mafia organization. You pay them protection money and they will take care of the other.

Apple invents Iphone/Touch interface. Android clones it. MSFT gets licensing money for it.
I love how MSFT works. No invention, just protection racket.
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Originally Posted by freckledbruh View Post

Ah, ok. Call me a Luddite, but I don't need that.

No problem, I don't think they got that either, mentioning 3D and dual cameras is redundant.

Oh and I'll try not to judge.
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Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post

. . . and first came the Sony Walkman, and then came the iPod. That's not evidence that Apple copied the Walkman is it?

Gatorgeek is getting even more bizarre with his analogies.

Put a picture of the original Sony Walkman next to the iPod.

Now, put a picture of the iPhone next to some of the phones that Apple says are copying them.

See the difference?
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post #65 of 110
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Originally Posted by ijordan View Post

THEY'RE from Taiwan. If you're going to correct somebody, do it correctly. Smartass.

No - he said "...that to get there from Taiwan..."
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Originally Posted by jragosta View Post

Gatorgeek is getting even more bizarre with his analogies.

Put a picture of the original Sony Walkman next to the iPod.

Now, put a picture of the iPhone next to some of the phones that Apple says are copying them.

See the difference?

Are you following me?
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post #67 of 110
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Originally Posted by Neo42 View Post

Here is my quick (incomplete) comparison of the iphone 4g vs HTC Evo 3D

Similarities:
- Is a phone (cell radio)
- GPS Radio
- rectangular, backlit touchscreen
- OS based on some flavor of -nix
- volume and power buttons (in different places)
- 3.5mm headphone jack
- front facing camera
- ambient light sensor
- proximity sensor? (not sure if iphone has this)

And then the different things Evo has:
-custom home screens with widgets
-3D autostereoscopic display
-launch-from-lock-screen functionality
-unobtrusive notifications
-dual rear cameras
-built in microSD card
-replaceable battery
-built in USB/HDMI w/ full storage access
-touch navigation buttons

Maybe Apple is just positioning themselves to "steal" one of the features in the second list. I'd welcome ANY of them, personally.

Yes. Original iPhone had proximity sensor.
unobtrusive notification: this will be fixed in iOS5. Android copied this idea from an app on Cyndia store. Apple hired the programmers to make a official iOS version.

3D = I would like to see a 3D version iPhone. I have a 3Ds + 3DTV+3D computer. In one year I have seen 4 films in 3D. It's a gimmick.

SD card is a gimmick. Space is no issue with the cloud. iCloud automatically pushes out all your photos, movies, books, mp3, radio shows, audiobooks, notes and so on.

Full storage access is a security hazard. I can use my iOS stuff as a memory stick, but I have no reason to be able to access /etc or /dev/null.

Why can't Android makers make a good screen like Iphone4? Resolution is important.

Why have replaceable battery? Make a good internal battery instead. iPhone has 50% better battery times then LG Evo3D. The widgets, bad multi treading and so on takes battery. Before you call bull: just google anandtech review. In the same review you will find that a single core A4 is almost as fast as a dual core tegra. Why? A4 has NOVA SIMD extensions. Apple control the graphical layer in the OS and can use SIMD to accelerate it. This leads to much faster and much less battery. Android does not control the graphical layer so they will never be able to have a phone as fast as an iOS or WinMo7.

Google also really needs to start take security more serious. Unix has been safe since 1960. First with Google that it is insecure. About 500000 Android devices has been infected with malware so far. Today it was a new alarm about malware Android.
You won't see this in App store.

Google android is good if you like gimmicks like 3D.
Later this year there will be gimmick quod cores Androids.
You really need to be a system integrator to use Android. First install a firewall to block all malware. Then turn off extra processes. Turn of Widgets and lock screen widgets.
If you don't, you have 3-6 hours battery time.
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Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post

OK, I'll try again.
Quote from Apple spokesman: Apple and Nokia have agreed to drop all of our current lawsuits and enter into a license covering some of each others patents, but not the majority of the innovation that makes the iPhone unique, Apple said. We are glad to put this behind us and get back to focusing on our respective businesses.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/15/te...okia.html?_r=1

By stating "not the majority of the innovation that makes the iPhone unique" it infers that at least some of the unique iPhone patents are now licensed to Nokia.

Yes. The interesting thing is that Apple got the Touch patent verified AFTER the Nokia deal.
Every single touch phone infringe on Apples touch patent.

The Apple/Nokia settlement was very smart by Apple. Apple pay a 3G fee.
By next year all iOS stuff will be 4G. Apple have those patents.
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The Americans tend to mix up foreign countries. No wonder they don't even realize Apple is not always clean. Apple was made to pay Nokia and will be made to pay HTC, for copying foreign technology. When are Apple supporters going to realize that Apple has made very little innovation in telecommunications technology?

Interesting how you "conveniently" miss out key information to further your iHating propaganda cause.

Nokia did not force Apple to pay. Nokia was required to provide the same license fees to everyone. Apple was prepared to pay the same fee, and everyone would have been happy.

But no! What Nokia tried to do what "force" Apple to pay a higher licensing fee than everyone else (which Nokia can't do) and to also force Apple to grant Nokia the right to Apple's IP. When the lawsuit finally was about to work its way up the courtroom, Nokia wised up and did what it should have done from the beginning.

If you're going to twist the truth, at least do a better job.
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Originally Posted by freckledbruh View Post

That secondary list looks like a bunch of stuff I'd have zero interest in except for notifications.
-custom home screen and widgets? IMO I bought a phone, not a house. I don't care about customizing anything. I just want it to work. As for widgets, it eats battery life and consumes data. If I need to know the weather I can look outside.
-3D whatever? Not sure what that is. If it's basically 3D, that's ok. I find 3D to be a gimmick
-launch from lock screen? I use my phone for work so it must be password protected upon locking. I can't and do not want anything launching from the lock screen without my password being entered which would make this feature useless
-dual rear cameras? Why? What is the purpose of that?
-sd card? I have plenty of onboard storage, don't want to keep up with an sd card, and those slots can get gunk in them from daily use
-replaceable battery? I owned the original iPhone until this year with zero issues with the battery. Why would I need or want to keep up with an extra battery?
-USB/hdmi? For what purpose? AirPlay works for flicking media to my tv, a $15 camera connection kit works fine at photoshoots and the less I have to sync my phone the better (can't wait for ios5!)
-touch navigation buttons? Navigating what and where?

-Your phone is a computer (not a house), it can do computery things and stuff. Welcome to 201x's. I don't really use widgets for the reasons you expressed, but it is nice to know I could. When Apple does it first, it's revolutionary, when someone else does it first, it's unnecessary. Double standard effect.
-I think 3D is awesome. Yay! I'm sure there are at least a few other people who think it's fun too.
-I haven't tried, but I'm guessing there is a code-to-unlock feature on the evo 3d. I don't lose my phone, or give it to suspicious people, so I don't need that time-wasting code (that is easily hacked around anyway, if you want to get picky). Just cause you "don't need it", doesn't mean it isn't a nice feature.
- 3D
- I'll never swap out my card. But I could. Also, I will pay a lot less for it than an additional built-in 32GB. Again, you don't need it personally, but it's nice to have.
- USB to connect to other, faster, bigger storage devices. Oh wait, I can just cloud things up w/ my subpar 3G connection that is completely dropped in some cases. Luckily I'm a businessy businessman with perfect coverage that only needs the clouds. I also buy all apple things, so I have an AppleTV and I can zoom everything to it! (But I do have to plug into a charger while I do this, so yeah)
- Home, menu, back, search. Actually I don't really care if these are there are not. But like function keys on a keyboard, shortcuts can be nice.
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Originally Posted by shompa View Post

Yes. Original iPhone had proximity sensor.
unobtrusive notification: this will be fixed in iOS5. Android copied this idea from an app on Cyndia store. Apple hired the programmers to make a official iOS version.

3D = I would like to see a 3D version iPhone. I have a 3Ds + 3DTV+3D computer. In one year I have seen 4 films in 3D. It's a gimmick.

SD card is a gimmick. Space is no issue with the cloud. iCloud automatically pushes out all your photos, movies, books, mp3, radio shows, audiobooks, notes and so on.

Full storage access is a security hazard. I can use my iOS stuff as a memory stick, but I have no reason to be able to access /etc or /dev/null.

Why can't Android makers make a good screen like Iphone4? Resolution is important.

Why have replaceable battery? Make a good internal battery instead. iPhone has 50% better battery times then LG Evo3D. The widgets, bad multi treading and so on takes battery. Before you call bull: just google anandtech review. In the same review you will find that a single core A4 is almost as fast as a dual core tegra. Why? A4 has NOVA SIMD extensions. Apple control the graphical layer in the OS and can use SIMD to accelerate it. This leads to much faster and much less battery. Android does not control the graphical layer so they will never be able to have a phone as fast as an iOS or WinMo7.

Google also really needs to start take security more serious. Unix has been safe since 1960. First with Google that it is insecure. About 500000 Android devices has been infected with malware so far. Today it was a new alarm about malware Android.
You won't see this in App store.

Google android is good if you like gimmicks like 3D.
Later this year there will be gimmick quod cores Androids.
You really need to be a system integrator to use Android. First install a firewall to block all malware. Then turn off extra processes. Turn of Widgets and lock screen widgets.
If you don't, you have 3-6 hours battery time.

- removable and accessible storage is a security hazard for morons. That's right, morons. For the rest of us, it's freaking great. Why can't anyone admit that Apple does this in order to make more money upgrading to higher capacity devices?
- This battery argument is stale. Built in batteries are a consumer fleecing. It just secures another revenue stream for Apple. The ONLY argument I will buy is that a built in battery is more aesthetically pleasing (less seams in the case). iOS battery life is better because (duh), the OS is more efficient. Since most of your UI elements and animations are static, they are heavily reusable and less tragic on resources. ALso, limited amount of background processing means less power use. iOS is awesome for battery life, but I'd still take a replaceable one.
- Like most other computer security issues, if you know what you are doing (and don't install a bunch of BS crapperware) then you're pretty much safe.

I'm sure my posts throw up arms, cause most of your folks are just tunnel visioned like that. I actually love my iPad, sometimes wish I had an iPhone (although honestly, I am pretty happy with my Evo 3D) and am fond of Apple products in general. Just not so much of the fanatical fans. (Don't like Fandroids either)
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Interesting how you "conveniently" miss out key information to further your iHating propaganda cause.

Nokia did not force Apple to pay. Nokia was required to provide the same license fees to everyone. Apple was prepared to pay the same fee, and everyone would have been happy.

But no! What Nokia tried to do what "force" Apple to pay a higher licensing fee than everyone else (which Nokia can't do) and to also force Apple to grant Nokia the right to Apple's IP. When the lawsuit finally was about to work its way up the courtroom, Nokia wised up and did what it should have done from the beginning.

If you're going to twist the truth, at least do a better job.

According to the best available information I can find, everything points to Apple rolling over on this one. Sources say Apple will be paying Nokia a bit over $600M to cover licensing fees on every iPhone sold to date, plus ongoing license fees currently estimated at $130M+ per quarter, based on each iPhone sold going forward. In addition Nokia received licensing rights from Apple on some number of patents. If all this is true, and there's no sources disputing the claims, I'm honestly surprised. It doesn't look like Apple put up much of a fight in this particular case.

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/nokia-...TL+(ZDNet+Betw
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-Your phone is a computer (not a house), it can do computery things and stuff. Welcome to 201x's. I don't really use widgets for the reasons you expressed, but it is nice to know I could. When Apple does it first, it's revolutionary, when someone else does it first, it's unnecessary. Double standard effect.
-I think 3D is awesome. Yay! I'm sure there are at least a few other people who think it's fun too.
-I haven't tried, but I'm guessing there is a code-to-unlock feature on the evo 3d. I don't lose my phone, or give it to suspicious people, so I don't need that time-wasting code (that is easily hacked around anyway, if you want to get picky). Just cause you "don't need it", doesn't mean it isn't a nice feature.
- 3D
- I'll never swap out my card. But I could. Also, I will pay a lot less for it than an additional built-in 32GB. Again, you don't need it personally, but it's nice to have.
- USB to connect to other, faster, bigger storage devices. Oh wait, I can just cloud things up w/ my subpar 3G connection that is completely dropped in some cases. Luckily I'm a businessy businessman with perfect coverage that only needs the clouds. I also buy all apple things, so I have an AppleTV and I can zoom everything to it! (But I do have to plug into a charger while I do this, so yeah)
- Home, menu, back, search. Actually I don't really care if these are there are not. But like function keys on a keyboard, shortcuts can be nice.

So basically all the stuff you listed is stuff you don't use at all but glad it's there? Again, that list is filled with stuff that few are truly interested in or need.
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HTC and Samsung, if you want a fair competition and no lawsuits, do not steal other people's technology. If you want to compete with Apple don't copy, be original and innovative, and stop whining.
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According to the best available information I can find, everything points to Apple rolling over on this one. Sources say Apple will be paying Nokia a bit over $600M to cover licensing fees on every iPhone sold to date, plus ongoing license fees currently estimated at $130M+ per quarter, based on each iPhone sold going forward. In addition Nokia received licensing rights from Apple on some number of patents. If all this is true, and there's no sources disputing the claims, I'm honestly surprised. It doesn't look like Apple put up much of a fight in this particular case.

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/nokia-...TL+(ZDNet+Betw

Those numbers sound impressive until you realize that that the $600M covers every single iphone Apple had sold up to that point which most likely brings the cost per device down to the standard price Apple was wanting to pay originally.
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Those numbers sound impressive until you realize that that the $600M covers every single iphone Apple had sold up to that point which most likely brings the cost per device down to the standard price Apple was wanting to pay originally.

Estimated at close to $12 for every iPhone sold. But with the high margins that Apple aims for, it's not likely a terribly significant cost.
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Apple has lost every bit of their integrity. They are going to find that their childish lawsuits are going to hurt them in the end when government rewrites patent laws loosening their scope rendering many of Apples patents void. Hell, Apple has done such a great job with their patents, the patent office will probably us them as the new standard.

I used 2 different HTC smart phones before moving to an iPhone 2G.

Prior to the invention of the iPhone, HTC's offerings were complete garbage.
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Estimated at close to $12 for every iPhone sold. But with the high margins that Apple aims for, it's not likely a terribly significant cost.

This link from last year: http://techcrunch.com/2010/04/08/app...hones-to-date/ would mean it is actually less than that. Probably around $10 per phone. That is twice the rumored $5 per phone that Microsoft gets from HTC per Android device sold but less than the $15 per device Microsoft wants from Samsung.
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Translation:

"We think it's fair to copy all your stuff, but we don't think it's fair you disagree with this."

That is exactly what's going on
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