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As has putting a complaint in your signature line on a forum...

Actually. that isn't a complaint just a simple statement of fact. I am not a pro editor and think FCPX is great! (Many pros do too}.
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post #42 of 71
Uh Oh, you guys are expecting Apple to support Pros. Because of rants on comment boards we all know what Apple thinks of Pros these days.

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The main reason to have an ethernet port is since these displays will be used by pro shops (graphic design, video, audio, etc) and we typically need to move our files to the network. Gigabit ethernet is a far cry from WiFi speeds. With Ethernet in the back of the display, you can easily disconnect your MBP/A for a meeting and then come back and "plug in" with one cord.
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

Actually. that isn't a complaint just a simple statement of fact. I am not a pro editor and think FCPX is great! (Many pros do too}.

I presume you chose that particular "simple statement of fact" for a reason? I'm guessing most people reading it would assume that this was something you think should be brought to our attention or should be addressed, presumably, by Apple. There are many other simple facts you could have chosen to publicise. Of course your signature is yours to do with as you please...
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If it's a place of business by law (American Disabilities Act) they have to "reasonably" accommodate any special needs for the employee, so the purchase of a hood for the LCD would be most appropriate.

Why do you assume I am in America? I'm not. Neither are a lot of Apple customers. Nor does this address the mobility of laptops and their use in many different environments.

Let me say as clearly as I can: I am not saying Apple is evil because they don't offer me the option of a matte screen. I am saying I would be happier if they reinstated the choice they used to offer customers in this matter.
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I presume you chose that particular "simple statement of fact" for a reason? I'm guessing most people reading it would assume that this was something you think should be brought to our attention or should be addressed, presumably, by Apple. There are many other simple facts you could have chosen to publicise. Of course your signature is yours to do with as you please...

Yeah. I was following and posting on a lot of FCP threads. I think it is stupid the way Apple discontinued FCP7 without warning -- esentially saying to the pros move to FCPX or move to the commpetition.

My sig, sarcastically, points the irationallity of that Apple decision -- in the very few words availablt in a sig.

BTW, I am an AAPL sharehollder, and a long time user of Apple computers (since 1978).

I like to jerk their chain, every now and again.
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post #46 of 71
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Let me say as clearly as I can: I am not saying Apple is evil because they don't offer me the option of a matte screen. I am saying I would be happier if they reinstated the choice they used to offer customers in this matter.

Well they do offer it on some of the laptop lines at least, I'm not sure why they don't offer it on the desktop panels, it does seem odd. Seems like a lot of geeks prefer the matte, though personally I prefer the clarity of the glossy.
post #47 of 71
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

Yeah. I was following and posting on a lot of FCP threads. I think it is stupid the way Apple discontinued FCP7 without warning -- esentially saying to the pros move to FCPX or move to the commpetition.

My sig, sarcastically, points the irationallity of that Apple decision -- in the very few words availablt in a sig.

BTW, I am an AAPL sharehollder, and a long time user of Apple computers (since 1978).

I like to jerk their chain, every now and again.

Thanks for the reasoned reply. It is nice to see that there are people who don't get angry and upset at being questioned. I agree with you about Apple's apparently absurd invitation for professional editors to move to FCPX or to Adobe, Avid or the likes.

I'm not sure what level of interest Apple has in the opinions of people who populate these boards but I think they would be foolish to ignore interested users such as those here completely. I do think it is worth stating an opinion whenever the opportunity is allowed. Whether that is in a signature line or in a post we need to communicate what we want from others. If we don't then we have no right to complain that we don't get it. Online polls, petitions or on a forum such as this are all ways to express ourselves. They may not be truly effective in producing change but they are the only outlet many users of Apple products have for any dissatisfaction they might feel with the company's products or decisions.

It is a shame when some here shout down other's reasonably expressed opinions and accuse them of "dogma" because they are even slightly critical of Apple. Just my 2¢.
post #48 of 71
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Originally Posted by cloudgazer View Post

Well they do offer it on some of the laptop lines at least, I'm not sure why they don't offer it on the desktop panels, it does seem odd. Seems like a lot of geeks prefer the matte, though personally I prefer the clarity of the glossy.

I am pleased to be considered a "geek". I'm not sure I have the other attributes required to aspire to such a sobriquet but I'm flattered all the same.

I'm sure it wouldn't be too expensive for Apple to offer matte as an option across the range. I admit it looks cool in the showrooms to have lots of glossy screens around but, for me, it impacts on the usability so is a turn off.
post #49 of 71
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Originally Posted by Grouty2 View Post

Thanks for the reasoned reply. It is nice to see that there are people who don't get angry and upset at being questioned. I agree with you about Apple's apparently absurd invitation for professional editors to move to FCPX or to Adobe, Avid or the likes.

I'm not sure what level of interest Apple has in the opinions of people who populate these boards but I think they would be foolish to ignore interested users such as those here completely. I do think it is worth stating an opinion whenever the opportunity is allowed. Whether that is in a signature line or in a post we need to communicate what we want from others. If we don't then we have no right to complain that we don't get it. Online polls, petitions or on a forum such as this are all ways to express ourselves. They may not be truly effective in producing change but they are the only outlet many users of Apple products have for any dissatisfaction they might feel with the company's products or decisions.

It is a shame when some here shout down other's reasonably expressed opinions and accuse them of "dogma" because they are even slightly critical of Apple. Just my 2¢.

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post #50 of 71
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I hope you are OK with kissy cats!

Couldn't agree more. [I like dogs though]
post #51 of 71
In my opinion, the current cinema display is amazing. I have one at work and I'm thinking of getting the new one for home. Everyone comments on how "gorgeous" the screen images are. We have Dell monitors in the same size (and literally use the same LCD panel manufacturer as Apple's Cinema Display) in their matte finish. People want the Apple Cinema Displays. They say the Dell monitors look fuzzy after having used the Apple one for awhile. They ask me why Apple's are so much crisper and clearer.

The glossy doesn't seem be a problem for me on the desktop displays (iMacs or Cinema Display). It has annoyed me on the MacBook Pros. I bought my 17" MacBook Pro with the anti-glare two years ago. Having used my iPhone, iPad, and a glossy MacBook Pro at work from time-to-time, the glossy doesn't seem to be as big of an issue for me now as it was back then. Could I be getting used to glossy?
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post #52 of 71
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

It will have the full complement of modern connectors -- RS232, Centronics, SCSI, S!00, ADB, Omninet, Nestar, Tocken Ring,AppleTalk...

SCSI is a real man's interface. Not these froo froo ones with tiny connectors and insanely high bandwidth through anorexic cables. I like my cables big, thick and beige with meaty connectors and metal clips.
post #53 of 71
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SCSI is a real man's interface. Not these froo froo ones with tiny connectors and insanely high bandwidth through anorexic cables. I like my cables big, thick and beige with meaty connectors and metal clips.

I have a SCSI terminator that weighs more than my iPad.

...talk about daisy chaining... Any devices you could fit within a 3-foot radius.
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post #54 of 71
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Originally Posted by Mode View Post

More consumer level over-priced useless crap or are they going to release a matte version and make it an awesome display?

You want matte? Slap some plastic on the front of it and done with it.

Some of us really do prefer the glossy face, and light out work area appropriately.
post #55 of 71
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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post

I would have clicked on the petition but your hyperbole got in the way.

Health issue?
Give me a break.

Probably a reference to his elevated blood pressure.
post #56 of 71
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Originally Posted by steveH View Post

You want matte? Slap some plastic on the front of it and done with it.

Some of us really do prefer the glossy face, and light out work area appropriately.

A thousand times this. I can recommend these. I've put about 6 of them on at my work where the light from windows causes too much glare.
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post #57 of 71
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Originally Posted by Mr Beardsley View Post

A thousand times this. I can recommend these. I've put about 6 of them on at my work where the light from windows causes too much glare.

At last a response which goes beyond the "Apple does it this way so suck it up" level and offers a solution. Thanks for this. You'd think from the responses such as those from SteveH that those of us who have dared to suggest that it would be nice to be able to specify a matte screen, as we used to, that we were advocating an abolition of glossy screens.

Now there's a thought. I wonder how loud the pro-glossy faction would be if that option were to go away. From the responses I've seen here I would assume 1 of 2 things. Either they would suck it up because "Apple doesn't make bad decisions" or they would be a lot more vitriolic that the pro-matte lobby has been. I know I shouldn't be surprised at the sort of knee jerk responses we see from people on forums such as these yet it never ceases to get to me.

I'm never sure whether the poor spelling and grammar are an indication of a lack of intelligence/education or that these are otherwise bright people who simply cannot wait to get their ill considered thoughts out there long enough to proof read them.

If we can buy these films for $20 then I'm sure it would be trivial for Apple to use a similar solution and provide what so many people have expressed an interest in. Anyway, thanks again for the link and the recommendation at least now we know they work.
post #58 of 71
Such a great display + the horrid glass = no buy.
post #59 of 71
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Originally Posted by Grouty2 View Post

I wonder how loud the pro-glossy faction would be if that option were to go away.

Probably not loud at all. I don't recall any "Apple has GOT to go gloss!" cries during the matte days.

All Apple has to do is offer matte as BTO (ideally with anti-glare glass versus film), and everyone goes home happy.
post #60 of 71
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Originally Posted by sippincider View Post

Probably not loud at all. I don't recall any "Apple has GOT to go gloss!" cries during the matte days.

I think now that people are used to it, they might. But then, CRTs used to be made with a non-matte anti-glare surface and it didn't take long to forget that was ever a possibility. IBM, HP, Compaq, Apple and others offered displays with such a nice surface treatment. It's like the third option that's better than the first two but almost nobody gives it the time of day. Even then, today's LCDs are a lot sharper than displays of the past, so the difference might not have been noticed.

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You want matte? Slap some plastic on the front of it and done with it.

How many people can apply a large sheet of plastic without getting bubbles under them? It's hard to do for a 3" screen.

Even then, it's probably just matte, rather than a good anti-glare surface.
post #61 of 71
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Originally Posted by DHagan4755 View Post

In my opinion, the current cinema display is amazing. I have one at work and I'm thinking of getting the new one for home. Everyone comments on how "gorgeous" the screen images are. We have Dell monitors in the same size (and literally use the same LCD panel manufacturer as Apple's Cinema Display) in their matte finish. People want the Apple Cinema Displays. They say the Dell monitors look fuzzy after having used the Apple one for awhile. They ask me why Apple's are so much crisper and clearer.

this is exactly what I would expect if people where allowed to choose and didn't have to conform to somebody else's wishes. The fuzzy appearance of matte screens is the big reason for the lack of interest.
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The glossy doesn't seem be a problem for me on the desktop displays (iMacs or Cinema Display). It has annoyed me on the MacBook Pros. I bought my 17" MacBook Pro with the anti-glare two years ago. Having used my iPhone, iPad, and a glossy MacBook Pro at work from time-to-time, the glossy doesn't seem to be as big of an issue for me now as it was back then. Could I be getting used to glossy?

I likewise purchased a matte screened MBP in 2008. Quickly learned to hate it. The simple fact is reflections are manageable, ruddy looking images on screen aren't.
post #62 of 71
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Originally Posted by Swift View Post

You could also try changing your lighting in the Mac room, you know? A diffused lighting plan that avoids the fluorescents in the ceiling, and doesn't put your back to the window, gives you the better blacks of a glossy finish and... no reflections.

1) Adjusting the environment to fit the user's needs? That's crazy talk¡

2) I wonder why these same people that complain about reflections in a room they have control over aren't complaining about using their iMac on the floor... or did they figure out how to adjust their their environment by using a desk and chair? (see what I did there?)
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post #63 of 71
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Originally Posted by DHagan4755 View Post

In my opinion, the current cinema display is amazing. I have one at work and I'm thinking of getting the new one for home. Everyone comments on how "gorgeous" the screen images are. We have Dell monitors in the same size (and literally use the same LCD panel manufacturer as Apple's Cinema Display) in their matte finish. People want the Apple Cinema Displays. They say the Dell monitors look fuzzy after having used the Apple one for awhile. They ask me why Apple's are so much crisper and clearer.

The glossy doesn't seem be a problem for me on the desktop displays (iMacs or Cinema Display). It has annoyed me on the MacBook Pros. I bought my 17" MacBook Pro with the anti-glare two years ago. Having used my iPhone, iPad, and a glossy MacBook Pro at work from time-to-time, the glossy doesn't seem to be as big of an issue for me now as it was back then. Could I be getting used to glossy?

Isn't the difference in clarity related to the fact that most PCs still use RGB analog video output and Apple uses digital output (which it has used for years)?
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Isn't the difference in clarity related to the fact that most PCs still use RGB analog video output and Apple uses digital output (which it has used for years)?

No - it's there even if you have DVI, any PC under 5 years old should be using DVI by now, frankly most older should too. A genuinely Matte screen has a surface that is arranged so that reflected light is scattered, but inevitably that introduces a slight blurring to the light being transmitted from below.

If you're in a high reflection environment that may still be preferable, but it is still there. Matte screens aren't strictly better than glossy.
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

2) I wonder why these same people that complain about reflections in a room they have control over aren't complaining about using their iMac on the floor... or did they figure out how to adjust their their environment by using a desk and chair? (see what I did there?)

You are a very bad man

Now I can't get the image of those poor benighted users stuck on the floor out of my head.
post #66 of 71
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Originally Posted by zunx View Post

Apple: this is a health and productivity issue. Please, include matte displays, at least as an option.

You best be joking because the facts don't support your statements.
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MacMatte (matte petition)

Their are a lot of petitions floating about, most of them about a very small minority trying to enforce their beliefs upon the general population. It is onething for these to be directed at Apple, it is entirely different when directed at government. The problem with petitions and government is that we end up with to many I'll conceived laws that affect everybody, but only have the support of a tiny segment of the population. So hopefully you will understand me when I say take your petition and shove it.
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Why Won't 13" MBP Thunderbolt Support Two External 2560 x 1600 Monitors? I thought all Thunderbolt ports support Dual Link displays. No?

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Shortcoming of the Intel HD Graphics 3000 built into the CPU.

Or it could be the same reason why iBook G4 did not support extended desktop.
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No - it's there even if you have DVI, any PC under 5 years old should be using DVI by now, frankly most older should too.

Should, but apparently not all. I just helped install a new computer that only had the analog VGA connector. I was surprised, to say the least. I was also surprised that the screen image wasn't terrible, though I didn't look very long as it wasn't my problem if it was. Still, I don't know how they managed that, I can normally spot the artifacts of an analog computer connection instantly.

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If you're in a high reflection environment that may still be preferable, but it is still there. Matte screens aren't strictly better than glossy.

Yes, they both have their downsides. Which is why I prefer a good anti-glare rather than matte or gloss, reduced reflections and none of the blurring effects of a matte surface. My 50" TV has it, so it doesn't seem like it should be prohibitively expensive to implement on sheets of glass a quarter of the area of the TV and smaller.
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I think now that people are used to it, they might. But then, CRTs used to be made with a non-matte anti-glare surface and it didn't take long to forget that was ever a possibility. IBM, HP, Compaq, Apple and others offered displays with such a nice surface treatment. It's like the third option that's better than the first two but almost nobody gives it the time of day. Even then, today's LCDs are a lot sharper than displays of the past, so the difference might not have been noticed.



How many people can apply a large sheet of plastic without getting bubbles under them? It's hard to do for a 3" screen.

Even then, it's probably just matte, rather than a good anti-glare surface.

It's not air bubbles that are the problem, it's dust particles. If you get the radtech product that I'd linked to earlier, they have a protective sheet over the top so you can use credit cards to smooth out bubbles without getting scratches in the the anti-glare sheet.

I've found the best way to get it to work is to have a helper. One person puts on the sheet, and the second uses compressed air to keep dust off while you go.

My opinion is that glossy is the way to got. The colors and picture are way sharper with the glossy option. If glare is an issue you can always get a cheap solution to solve that. If anything changes you can peel it back off and you're good to go, and get your good picture back. If you go matte though, you're stuck with that forever.

Also the glossy screens are far more durable than matte LCD screens. You don't have to worry about a cleaning solution ruining the plastic of the screen. Also in the case of laptops, you don't run the risk of having the oils from your hands left on the keys burning your display. The Dell laptops we have at work have lots of burns on the screen from the oil on the keys.
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post #70 of 71
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Their are a lot of petitions floating about, most of them about a very small minority trying to enforce their beliefs upon the general population. It is onething for these to be directed at Apple, it is entirely different when directed at government. The problem with petitions and government is that we end up with to many I'll conceived laws that affect everybody, but only have the support of a tiny segment of the population. So hopefully you will understand me when I say take your petition and shove it.

What's with the hostility? Chillax. I don't think the petition asks Apple to ditch the glossy screens, I think they just want the option for matte screens on the iMacs and Cinema Displays. How does someone wanting the choice between types of displays impact your life to the extent that you feel the need to be abusive?

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Originally Posted by John.B View Post

How does someone wanting the choice between types of displays impact your life to the extent that you feel the need to be abusive?

Because you can't offer all things to all people. There are costs associated with choice - and when Apple did offer Matte displays, but appropriately charged for the extra cost in doing so, people flew off the handle!

News flash: you don't have the right to have what you want, when you want it, for what you want to pay.

And frankly, I think it's easier for Apple to just not offer the option than take the grief for (appropriately) charging more for it.
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