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post #121 of 228
7/19/11 at 10:27am
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Originally Posted by Giffen View Post

Has Google EVER actually been innovative and created something new?

They copied internet search from other search engines...

They copied maps from other map sites....

Gmail? copied...

Android? copied...

How do they think they have the virtue to assail Apple as not being innovative. Every computer and every smartphone and every tablet today is a direct result of what Apple created out of thin air.

Uhm, I agree with much of your post, but "thin air"? Seriously?

Xerox and others played a pretty big role in the development of the modern GUI. Apple innovates and they inspire others... But they are also inspired by the innovations of others.

Apple is a great "forward-looking" company and do terrific work. Apple pushes the envelope and pushes the entire industry forward, but Apple isn't the only company that can think up good ideas.
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post #122 of 228
7/19/11 at 10:31am
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Originally Posted by John.B View Post

Well, at least we've identified the Eric Schmidt apologist on the thread.

I am pretty sure Harbinger is Schmidt. It is all hersay at this point, we may never really know.
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post #123 of 228
7/19/11 at 10:31am
I wonder if Google has a patent on its search engine. And will it defend its patent.
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post #124 of 228
7/19/11 at 10:32am
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Originally Posted by spliff monkey View Post

It's not about "copying" every detail. It's about copying specific implementations. See my post above and check out Samsungs doc connector.

It could be said that Palm inspiration came from the newton. I don't think Palm or Visor's (which used palm OS) were much akin to the iPhone except in form factor. The visor actually had a phone adapter and mobile internet in one device before either.

I just remember the palm OS was very very different VS Android which other than being a terrible copy is still a copy of iOS in specific ways.

I said it earlier. We'll see how this turns out, but we already have clues that it's not going to be a case of at least some of Apple's claims not to be supported.

The work that goes into designing a tee shirt hardly compares the the dollars spent on R & D in the tech sector. Look at the smartphones prior to the iPhone and compare them to the smartphones that we enjoy today. Outside of Microsoft's Windows phone7 they all strongly resemble the iPhone both in form factor, appearance and they way that they work.
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post #125 of 228
7/19/11 at 10:33am
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Has Google EVER actually been innovative and created something new?

They copied internet search from other search engines...

Did you ever use any of those other search engines? Most were slow, all had horrible visual design. Many included advertisers paid links in the search results, along with banner ads and big slow-to-load ads along the side panels. Relevancy was atrocious. Google transformed the search experience with both exceptional speed, exceptionally relevant results and a better advertising model.

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Gmail? copied...

Lots of sites had webmail sure, but GMail was transformative - not so much because it has labels instead of folders - but because it gave orders of magnitude more email space. Back when GMail launched it gave users 1GB of mail space, hotmail back then I believe offered 2MB and Yahoo 4MB.

Innovation doesn't just mean making something wholly new, it means making something transformatively better. Much of Google's innovation is in its infrastructure, which allows it to deliver web services with unequalled scale, reliability and performance.

There are plenty of bad things that can be reasonably said about Google, but claiming that they have never innovated isn't one of them.
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post #126 of 228
7/19/11 at 10:34am
Google's definition of innovation:

Google+ has a 'celebrity acquisition plan'

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/TECH/soc...google.verify/

ROFL PATHETIC!

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post #127 of 228
7/19/11 at 10:35am
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You're such a funny guy Anonymouse. Every time you use that line of reasoning with me or someone else it cracks me up.

At least you lighten up the mood around here.

And yet, despite numerous opportunities to deny that you are working for Google, you haven't done so.
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post #128 of 228
7/19/11 at 10:35am
If you didn't copy Apple's IP you'd have nothing to worry about, but we know that's not the case. So pay up or shut up
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post #129 of 228
7/19/11 at 10:38am
Eric was just caught off guard. He thought he was in an innovation competition and he didn't realize he was in a "Whole Market" competition that involved laws and litigation.
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post #130 of 228
7/19/11 at 10:39am
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Originally Posted by battiato1981 View Post

Yep, Eric is worried, as he should be.

In my book what he did behind Apples back while serving on the board of directors is tantamount to corporate espionage. He's a weasel of the nth degree.

OMG, this is beyond funny. How you explain that ES got to the Apple's Board of Directors ? Do you think he bribed Jobs or something, or perhaps wore an invisible suit, sitting in the corner and recorded everything ? It was move of Apple as they thought it might help them...as you probably know, Apple was deep in trouble in that time.
Information about Google acquiring Android was public, so it was no secret to Apple that Google was creating their own mobile OS...yet Apple decided to do no move, and it is Schmidt who takes all the blame, even if it is not clear if he really "stole" anything during his BOD stay ?

There is a positive thing about these lawsuits, that those ridiculous patents, that clearly cover insane broad concepts or prior art, hopefully get examined by the court and get voided as a result.
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post #131 of 228
7/19/11 at 10:40am
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Originally Posted by spliff monkey View Post

You mean this case? How could you possibly confuse this with Apple's case? How dare you accuse samsung of copying anyone!


Speaking of copying...

http://technologer.net/2011/03/03/di...a-from-incase/
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post #132 of 228
7/19/11 at 10:40am
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Originally Posted by tzeshan View Post

I wonder Google has a patent on its search engine. And will it defend its patent.

Google's approach to IP is different, partly because they are primarily a server side firm. Mostly rather than patent something such as their search-rank algorithm, they will prefer to keep it as a trade secret. They do have patents for example on MapReduce, but most of their IP crown jewels like BigTable and GFS are closely held secrets.
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post #133 of 228
7/19/11 at 10:41am
So what he is saying is Apple shouldn't sue when someone copies them. They should innovate, make a product so much better than your previous product (which was copied) so people will only buy the new product and not the previously innovative copied product? I think?
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post #134 of 228
7/19/11 at 10:45am
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Originally Posted by FriedLobster View Post

Remember Fandroids. Android used to look like this BEFORE Google COPIED the iPhone.



From that to this:


The first official Android phone, HTC G1 (released October 2008)

Compared to this:


iPhone 1 (Released in 2007)



I think some of you need your eyes tested. Even multitouch gestures only came to Android with the Nexus One in January 2010, 2 and a half years after the iPhone did it.

Schmidt being on the board is shady, but I'm not seeing what they copied.
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post #135 of 228
7/19/11 at 10:46am
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Originally Posted by battiato1981 View Post

Serious answer, he was privy to all sorts of high level privileged info as both a board member and business partner during most of the years that Apple was developing the iPhone. He was able to jumpstart a skunkworks in Google and feed Andy Rubin Apples touchscreen MO and other design/business plans. All in secret, in violation of his non-disclosure.
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For the record, Eric still smarts from when Jobs ripped him a new one.

That is lots of guesses. It is well know Eric recused himself on many planning meetings before, at and after the iPhone was introduced.

Given Eric had no idea that Page had even bought the company Android and Eric sees the future of Google more aligned with ChromeOS, I have always found these stories suspect.
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post #136 of 228
7/19/11 at 10:52am
I wonder how many times Eric Schmidt got caught cheating off his neighbor's paper in school?
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post #137 of 228
7/19/11 at 10:52am
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Originally Posted by nickmccally View Post

This is so sad really. You guys think that these phones are copies? REALLY?

I've never used on that made me think "man this is as good as my iphone"

Lets all pay one company a licensing fee to make tee shirts, because one company should own the right. Lets me one company own licensing for laptops so NO ONE but one company can making portable computers. If anything, Apples inspiration came from PALM years ago. This is ridiculous you guys are agreeing with having another monopoly in the USA. I guarantee that HTC wins this time round.

And who was it that started that company?.....where did they come from? Can't remember......
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post #138 of 228
7/19/11 at 10:53am
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Originally Posted by Zaim2 View Post

From that to this:


The first official Android phone, HTC G1 (released October 2008)

Compared to this:


iPhone 1 (Released in 2007)



I think some of you need your eyes tested. Even multitouch gestures only came to Android with the Nexus One in January 2010, 2 and a half years after the iPhone did it.

Schmidt being on the board is shady, but I'm not seeing what they copied.

This is eerily similar to what Microsoft did to the Windows OS.
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post #139 of 228
7/19/11 at 10:54am
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Originally Posted by Patranus View Post

Funny coming from the guy who responded to iOS with theft.



LOL

The guy headed JAVA at Sun and *somehow* ended up with something exactly like JAVA.
The guy was on the board of Apple and *somehow* ended up with something that looks exactly like an iPhone.

This guy is laughable.

Have you seen this :

http://www.htc.com/cz/product/chacha/specification.html

This is actual Android device, released in 2011.

The fact that old photo of android prototype had a thumbnail keyboard, which was popular at that time, and seems still has enough fans that it is worth releasing new model now, doesn't automatically mean, that Android in 2007 was only capable running on the keyboard-driven phone. There was a touchscreen support from the very beginning.
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post #140 of 228
7/19/11 at 10:56am
Eric Schmidt is using the word innovation out of context. Google doesn't do a damn thing but make the software that piggybacks on massively produced, subsidized hardware.
Apple on the other hand makes their mobile OS and their hardware(to an extent).
Apple has 100% control of iSO while their competitors ain't got jack!
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post #141 of 228
7/19/11 at 11:02am
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Originally Posted by Brainless View Post

Have you seen this :

http://www.htc.com/cz/product/chacha/specification.html

This is actual Android device, released in 2011.

The fact that old photo of android prototype had a thumbnail keyboard, which was popular at that time, and seems still has enough fans that it is worth releasing new model now, doesn't automatically mean, that Android in 2007 was only capable running on the keyboard-driven phone. There was a touchscreen support from the very beginning.

I don't think so FANDROID

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post #142 of 228
7/19/11 at 11:03am
Really, Eric? REALLY? Is that the nonsensical shit Google is paying you millions to say? I'd charge a lot less to say the same idiotic things, ohh and I look a lot less of a dick as he does.
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post #143 of 228
7/19/11 at 11:04am
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Originally Posted by maccherry View Post

Eric Schmidt is using the word innovation out of context. Google doesn't do a damn thing but make the software that piggybacks on massively produced, subsidized hardware.
Apple on the other hand makes their mobile OS and their hardware(to an extent).
Apple has 100% control of iSO while their competitors ain't got jack!

iPhone is often massively subsidized as well. Android manufacturers have 100% control of the OS too, because it is open source. Lot of them innovate. The home screen of iOS 5 copies ideas HTC introduced in latest version of Sense UI (specifically - quick launch of applications from home). There is very little difference, and you provided no hints how this makes the innovation out of context.
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post #144 of 228
7/19/11 at 11:05am
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Originally Posted by FriedLobster View Post

I don't think so FANDROID

Great, deep, convincing argument. Congratulations.
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post #145 of 228
7/19/11 at 11:05am
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Originally Posted by FriedLobster View Post

I don't think so FANDROID

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FJHY...ailpage#t=173s
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post #146 of 228
7/19/11 at 11:05am
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Originally Posted by cloudgazer View Post

Google's approach to IP is different, partly because they are primarily a server side firm. Mostly rather than patent something such as their search-rank algorithm, they will prefer to keep it as a trade secret. They do have patents for example on MapReduce, but most of their IP crown jewels like BigTable and GFS are closely held secrets.

It's important to realize that the price of a patent includes the necessity of publication. Everyone knows what's in your secret sauce.
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post #147 of 228
7/19/11 at 11:07am
Eric Schimdt. Here's Google's track record on innovation.


Blogspot = Acquisition / DEAD

Youtube = Acquisition / Money-losing operation

Gmail = copied from hotmail/yahoo mail/etc. / Money-losing operation

Google+ = copied from FB/Twitter

Google Wave = Flop

Google Buzz = Flop

Google Video = Flop / Google Tried to copy youtube but FAILED

Picasa = Flop / Google Copied Flickr

Google Docs/Apps = Ms Office Rip-off

Android = iPhone rip-off

HoneyComb = iPad rip-off

Google TV = Apple TV rip OFF / FLOP

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post #148 of 228
7/19/11 at 11:08am
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Great, deep, convincing argument. Congratulations.

Sorry i thought you were joking.

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post #149 of 228
7/19/11 at 11:08am
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post #150 of 228
7/19/11 at 11:11am
here's the difference my Fandroid friend.

Apple = innovation + marketing + distribution

Google = Theft + crummy ads


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Yep, using celebrities is something Apple would never do.

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post #151 of 228
7/19/11 at 11:12am
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Yep, using celebrities is something Apple would never do.



Apple's marketing is backed by innovative products.

Google is trying to market a crappy 2nd rate me-too version of Facebook/twitter.

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post #152 of 228
7/19/11 at 11:13am
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FJHY...ailpage#t=173s

And shows second generation (after they realized something beyond BB) prototype. It is amazing, however, just how laggy the OS is compared to the first Gen iPhone as well as a "Zoom" menu.
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post #153 of 228
7/19/11 at 11:17am
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Originally Posted by cloudgazer View Post

Google's approach to IP is different, partly because they are primarily a server side firm. Mostly rather than patent something such as their search-rank algorithm, they will prefer to keep it as a trade secret. They do have patents for example on MapReduce, but most of their IP crown jewels like BigTable and GFS are closely held secrets.

The bottom line is google wants to be able to copy others but doesn't want to be copied themselves.
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post #154 of 228
7/19/11 at 11:18am
Google+ is actually #WINNING! I like it even though I am skeptical of Google in general.
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post #155 of 228
7/19/11 at 11:24am
Schmidt is so dull, that's the best he can come up with.
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post #156 of 228
7/19/11 at 11:26am
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Originally Posted by FriedLobster View Post

here's the difference my Fandroid friend.

Apple = innovation + marketing + distribution

Google = Theft + crummy ads

Google = theft + spyware + crummy ads

Corrected that for you.
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post #157 of 228
7/19/11 at 11:31am
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Originally Posted by Brainless View Post

OMG, this is beyond funny. How you explain that ES got to the Apple's Board of Directors ? Do you think he bribed Jobs or something, or perhaps wore an invisible suit, sitting in the corner and recorded everything ? It was move of Apple as they thought it might help them...as you probably know, Apple was deep in trouble in that time.
Information about Google acquiring Android was public, so it was no secret to Apple that Google was creating their own mobile OS...yet Apple decided to do no move, and it is Schmidt who takes all the blame, even if it is not clear if he really "stole" anything during his BOD stay ?

There is a positive thing about these lawsuits, that those ridiculous patents, that clearly cover insane broad concepts or prior art, hopefully get examined by the court and get voided as a result.

Wow I'M GLAD SOMEONE has common sense here. This is ridiculous. We live in a very broad world. Many people make computers but HP doesn't blame Apple for copying laptops, Ford doesnt blame GM for making a muscle car, they compete. This is the most ridiculous fight. Apple looks stupid, and everyone of you sticking up for them are stupid.

Things evolve. Look how landlines went from the spinner, to the regular buttons, to wireless handsets. Many brands made them, but did they all do the same thing, with similar appearance and carry out the same function?

Most people defending for Apple need to move to China and live with communism. They can put their loyalty in something there, but here it is suppose to be a free market. One where companies can COMPETE for rights to a customer.

You idiots don't understand all this licensing a power button on the top of a phone, or home button at the bottom, or mic at the top for background noise assistance is RAISING YOUR CONSUMER paid prices. Lets all pay more because these greedy ass companies want to have a piss fight.

I love Apple. I am a web developer, all of my computers are apple. Everyone in my family has an iPhone. I own ipods, apple tv, I'm a huge advocate. THIS is taking it too far, defending saying androids are copying the iPhone.. lol
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post #158 of 228
7/19/11 at 11:32am
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Originally Posted by Cpsro View Post

Google = theft + spyware + crummy ads

Corrected that for you.

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post #159 of 228
7/19/11 at 11:39am
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And yet, despite numerous opportunities to deny that you are working for Google, you haven't done so.

I never thought you were seriously suggesting it

No, I don't work for Google. Good to see you staying in character tho, ever the funny little guy.

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post #160 of 228
7/19/11 at 11:41am
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Originally Posted by nickmccally View Post

Wow I'M GLAD SOMEONE has common sense here. This is ridiculous. We live in a very broad world. Many people make computers but HP doesn't blame Apple for copying laptops, Ford doesnt blame GM for making a muscle car, they compete. This is the most ridiculous fight. Apple looks stupid, and everyone of you sticking up for them are stupid.

Things evolve. Look how landlines went from the spinner, to the regular buttons, to wireless handsets. Many brands made them, but did they all do the same thing, with similar appearance and carry out the same function?

Most people defending for Apple need to move to China and live with communism. They can put their loyalty in something there, but here it is suppose to be a free market. One where companies can COMPETE for rights to a customer.

You idiots don't understand all this licensing a power button on the top of a phone, or home button at the bottom, or mic at the top for background noise assistance is RAISING YOUR CONSUMER paid prices. Lets all pay more because these greedy ass companies want to have a piss fight.

I love Apple. I am a web developer, all of my computers are apple. Everyone in my family has an iPhone. I own ipods, apple tv, I'm a huge advocate. THIS is taking it too far, defending saying androids are copying the iPhone.. lol

You are wrong and you seem to be foaming at the mouth a little.
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