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Originally Posted by cloudgazer View Post

The previous two years Q4 results were a sequential increase over Q3 though, so it is interesting.

Apple changed it's release cycle this year over the past 2 prior years.
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Apple changed it's release cycle this year over the past 2 prior years.

Ok, so previously iPhone models were released in Q3, and now they'll be released in Q4. Q3 sales were higher than Q2 in the previous two years also. iPhone-4 is selling spectacularly well for a model that's over a year old, if the plan is to keep it around alongside the iPhone-5 then there's no obvious reason to expect a sequential drop in sales.

Now if the iPhone-5 is completely replacing the iPhone-4 and they're anticipating some intial supply problems then it might make sense.
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We're looking at between 40 to 45 million iPads for calendar 2011.

Yep, that sounds about right - amazing isn't it?
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The most obvious would be iOS4.3x and the lack of any support for the 3G.

The hardware differences going from the 3G to the 3GS aren't enormous. CPU went from 4-something to 600MHz, and the RAM from 128 to 256. The only other substantial difference I know of is a different graphics chip which added support for additional gaming features (I think).

You jumped to a different ARM design. ArmV6 VS ArmV7. SIMD VS no SIMD.

2X the memory as well. Given that the phone is 3 years old, dropping support is spectacular when you compare it to Android's history of vendors/carriers dropping support as soon as the sale is made.
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All in all another stellar quarter for the Apple cash machine. I don't agree with all their methods, but there's no arguing the magnitude of their success is amazing. The decision by Steve Jobs to go up against the entrenched and market leading Sony MP3 players years ago was the single most important step he's made at Apple IMO. It's made everything else that's followed possible.

What Sony MP3 player? Sony made portable music players of various types (cassette tape, CD, minidisc) but none that supported cross platform mp3 format. When the first iPod came out the only practical way to get music on it was to rip and compress (usually from CD's). Of course there was the original Napster and similar "services" and Apple talked the record labels into supporting the iTunes music store but Sony stuck to minidisc with their proprietary ATRAC compression technology.

Like the iPad years later, Apple didn't face credible competition for the iPod at first because the others didn't see a real business opportunity until Apple made the necessary massive commitment. Apple got a huge head start and never took its foot off the accelerator.
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The most obvious would be iOS4.3x and the lack of any support for the 3G.

The hardware differences going from the 3G to the 3GS aren't enormous. CPU went from 4-something to 600MHz, and the RAM from 128 to 256. The only other substantial difference I know of is a different graphics chip which added support for additional gaming features (I think). ...

The move from 3G to 3GS was huge from a hardware standpoint. The graphics chip in the 3GS enabled the use of OpenGL ES 2.0. That is crucial for 3D games and enables much better graphics performance in general. It is only missing in the original iPhone iPhone 3G and first generation iPod touch. That is largely why they aren't invited to the party. There seem to always be new and better sensors but other changes are incremental by comparison to that fundamental change in graphics performance.
post #87 of 92
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All in all another stellar quarter for the Apple cash machine. I don't agree with all their methods, but there's no arguing the magnitude of their success is amazing. The decision by Steve Jobs to go up against the entrenched and market leading Sony MP3 players years ago was the single most important step he's made at Apple IMO. It's made everything else that's followed possible.

I remember the day when the iPod came out. Many people found it to be ridiculously priced. Still, it was a hit. Probably because of the build quality and ease of use.

The economy might be poor, but people want to gift-buy something for themselves, own something special. Apply may be more expensive, it still sells better than the competition as many have stated in this thread.

Watching the stock price on a daily basis is nice; will be interesting to see it accelerate again.
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post #88 of 92
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The most obvious would be iOS4.3x and the lack of any support for the 3G.

The hardware differences going from the 3G to the 3GS aren't enormous. CPU went from 4-something to 600MHz, and the RAM from 128 to 256. The only other substantial difference I know of is a different graphics chip which added support for additional gaming features (I think). Yet no new features offered by 4.3 made it to the 3G. I feel certain that Apple could have made at least some improvements available.

I remember Steve's decision to not have wallpaper on the 3G, which seemed kinda dumb to me. I mean, such an advanced device and it cannot even display a picture underneath the icons? But sure enough, even without the wallpaper the 3G felt incredibly slow after upgrading it to iPhone OS3, nee, iOS 3. The latest version for the 3G is 4.2.1. and I suspect it to run a little better than 3.0 since they made a lot of optimizations.
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What Sony MP3 player? Sony made portable music players of various types (cassette tape, CD, minidisc) but none that supported cross platform mp3 format. When the first iPod came out the only practical way to get music on it was to rip and compress (usually from CD's). Of course there was the original Napster and similar "services" and Apple talked the record labels into supporting the iTunes music store but Sony stuck to minidisc with their proprietary ATRAC compression technology.

Like the iPad years later, Apple didn't face credible competition for the iPod at first because the others didn't see a real business opportunity until Apple made the necessary massive commitment. Apple got a huge head start and never took its foot off the accelerator.

Sorry for using a generic "MP3 player" reference for portable music players. I'm sure you realized I was referring to Sony's Walkman and their other portable media devices. Steve Jobs was given one during a tour of Sony's factories before he ever had any idea to branch out into portable media devices. He was so intrigued by it that he had it torn down into pieces so he could see how they built it in detail. Thus Apple decided to go into the portable music player business. Had Sony not already made it's mark there and proven the market, where would Steve Jobs idea have come from? What would have influenced him to push Apple into producing one?
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post #90 of 92
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I remember the day when the iPod came out. Many people found it to be ridiculously priced. Still, it was a hit. Probably because of the build quality and ease of use.

It was a hit, but it wasn't really mass-market until the shuffle & nano came out - probably because of that steep price



Before the shuffle all of my friends made coo-ing noises when they saw my iPod-2G or iPod-4G, but hardly any bought one for themselves.
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Sorry for using a generic "MP3 player" reference for portable music players. I'm sure you realized I was referring to Sony's Walkman and their other portable media devices. Steve Jobs was given one during a tour of Sony's factories before he ever had any idea to branch out into portable media devices. He was so intrigued by it that he had it torn down into pieces so he could see how they built it in detail. Thus Apple decided to go into the portable music player business. Had Sony not already made it's mark there and proven the market, where would Steve Jobs idea have come from? What would have influenced him to push Apple into producing one?

That tour happened back when Sony was making the original walkman, as John Sculley says it influened Jobs hugely in terms of how he organized Apple's manufacturing and integrated hardware/software approach but it's a stretch to say it was inspiration for the iPod. I'd say that came from the the fat brick like HD music devices that were being shipped for in-car use. The iPod was the logical 'laptop' equivalent of those 'desktop' units.

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I remember Akio Morita gave Steve and me each one of the first Sony Walkmans. None of us had ever seen anything like that before because there had never been a product like that. This is 25 years ago and Steve was fascinated by it. The first thing he did with his was take it apart and he looked at every single part. How the fit and finish was done, how it was built.

He was fascinated by the Sony factories. We went through them. They would have different people in different colored uniforms. Some would have red uniforms, some green, some blue, depending on what their functions were. It was all carefully thought out and the factories were spotless. Those things made a huge impression on him.

The Mac factory was exactly like that. They didnÂt have colored uniforms, but it was every bit as elegant as the early Sony factories that we saw. SteveÂs point of reference was Sony at the time. He really wanted to be Sony. He didnÂt want to be IBM. He didnÂt want to be Microsoft. He wanted to be Sony.
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That tour happened back when Sony was making the original walkman, as John Sculley says it influened Jobs hugely in terms of how he organized Apple's manufacturing and integrated hardware/software approach but it's a stretch to say it was inspiration for the iPod. . .

We'll probably just disagree on how much influence Sony's Walkman had on Steve Jobs push for the iPod. IMHO, if Sony hadn't already developed it and brought it to market, I don't think Apple would have created their competing product.
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