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anyone else having issues where the directionality of scrolling on a mouse scroll-wheel seems to have reversed with Lion? I can't figure out how to flip it back.

Yeah, it's reversed to follow the direction of your finger on the trackpad. Give it two days; you'll find this works better. If you're willing to give a go you can change it in System Preferences => Trackpad with a simple check box.
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post #122 of 184
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you don't need to backup the installer. Just make a DVD or Flash drive from the InstallESD.dmg disk image in the package contents folder with Disk Utility. How to make a bootable Lion install disc or drive.

Are you saying I can create a bootable drive using the files in the recovery disk? That's what I'm hoping, but I haven't found anywhere on the net to confirm this. I will play around with it tonight as I only brought my MBP to work to utilize our bandwith...so I haven't had a chance to explore LION.

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!!!! WARNING !!!

Two Major problems with Lion and one annoyance:

2) Many Wireless printers are not going to work due to problem #1. My brand new HP Photosmart C310 WILL NOT WORK with Lion.

Well, if it won't work with my C310 that I bought specifically to use via Airprint, it looks like I'll be waiting to install LION on my imac and my wife's MBP!
post #123 of 184
Thanks -- if I could rely on all my machines following that pattern, I'd switch. The thing is, I still use some older machines too (and I need to keep 2004 word functionality, stupid American Chemical Society!)
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At appx 4:30 ET Wed - problems with 'Apple ID Authorization'

When trying to buy Lion via 'App Store' Application

Kept returning - "Your Apple ID has been disabled"

But ID works fine for Account Info/iTunes/Apple in General

Can even reset, re-password it, etc

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Contacted Apple 'Help' on phone - they say (in effect)

"Are problems with Apple ID Verification in App Store due to huge load/volume, should be fixed in few hours, try again later, ok?"

Well, is not 'ok' but ... it is what it are

Find out in few hours ?

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Anyone else run into this same 'situation' ?

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well, I purchased an iMac less than two weeks ago, but Apple's servers don't recognize my serial number as being valid.
Applecare said to try again tomorrow. I'm thinking it may be a sly/annoying way of distributing download demand.
post #126 of 184
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replace 'dub' with a 'w'.

I don't care what to do, I care why you did it. Why would you waste everyone's time with doing that when you can not only TYPE a real URL but POST a perfectly good hyperlink on this forum?

Seriously.

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Thanks -- if I could rely on all my machines following that pattern, I'd switch. The thing is, I still use some older machines too (and I need to keep 2004 word functionality, stupid American Chemical Society!)

Aren't more modern versions of Office (and, heck, I'm sure Pages does it) capable of saving files that are compatible with that?

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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

Well, yes, they are. Get Info on them to see that.

What exactly is one looking for in the Get Info window? I have an application that I suspect is powerpc, but I don't see anything special in the info to confirm/deny this.
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I understand there's a system preference to change the scrolling back to the traditional way.

Yup. It's the very first thing I went for as soon as I started using Lion. I can see the argument of reversing the scrolling direction, especially if touch-screen Macs are around the corner, but habits are hard to change.
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replace 'dub' with a 'w'.



ya, why not just post the URL...but still...kinda funny.
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I've been downloading for 2 hours and it's done 1GB. This is slightly faster than dial-up speeds on a 10Mbit ADSL connection. If Apple are going to distribute their software as download-only they need to invest in a lot more bandwidth \
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Originally Posted by iaeen View Post

What exactly is one looking for in the Get Info window? I have an application that I suspect is powerpc, but I don't see anything special in the info to confirm/deny this.

Highlight ANYTHING and do Open Apple+I.

Or just right-click anything and choose "Get Info".

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post #132 of 184
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Originally Posted by 123brummer View Post

If anyone's had Logic 9 Pro running (especially interested on an iMac 27" Core2duo 3.06ghz) I'd love to know if it runs properly as this is the biggest hold back for me.

Full screen mode has a few bugs but in general it works.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

Control+Option+Command+click. Simple.



Why?



What bothers me the most is that fricking Launchpad never updates to the actual application icon. I've changed most of Apple's to BETTER icons, and they won't change.

They'll change if you remove the application from the Applications folder, sure, but absolutely none of these are allowed to be moved. Which is abject nonsense.

I'll stick with Overflow, which is what Apple is trying to copy here anyway. It may be a bit slower, but it looks nicer, it's easy to configure, and it won't add apps you don't want to be there.
post #134 of 184
I tought I would add an update....

1) I fixed the HP Photosmart Premium C310 printer problem. I had to remove all of the software and drivers from the machine and re-install. That seem to clear up the "cannot connect to printer" problem....

I managed to connect to my WD Worldbook II NAS by deleting all key chains and doing a

Connect to Server in finder and and entering SMB://"NETWORK NAME OF YOUR NAS"...

Thanks God this thing supports the SMB protocol....
post #135 of 184
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Originally Posted by iaeen View Post

What exactly is one looking for in the Get Info window? I have an application that I suspect is powerpc, but I don't see anything special in the info to confirm/deny this.

In the Get Info window, it should say "Kind: Application (Intel)" or "Kind: Application (Universal)' or "Kind: Application (PowerPC)" - the first two will work under Lion, the PowerPC apps won't.

Instead of looking at one app at a time, you could click "About This Mac" under the Apple menu, and then click on "More Info..." to go to System Profiler. In the left column click "Applications", and you'll get a list. You can sort that list by "Kind" to see which of your apps are PowerPC (won't work in Lion).
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I want to update to Lion but I fear having my hard drive wiped or having programs I use for work becoming incompatible, such as Office 2011. Any reported compatibility or installation issues to report? I am on a Macbook unibody 13"
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I want to update to Lion but I fear having my hard drive wiped or having programs I use for work becoming incompatible, such as Office 2011. Any reported compatibility or installation issues to report? I am on a Macbook unibody 13"

Anything PowerPC only won't work. Everything else will work fine.

Unless you're doing heavier graphical mods, of course.

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post #138 of 184
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Originally Posted by jimmi3 View Post

Is there a relationship between Launch Pad and the same apps in the Dock.

They exist (well, appear) in both places.

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Also, where do we access the Hard Drive (in OS X it was a convenient place to check version numbers of apps and utilities and also to store/delete third party apps)?

Go to Find Preferences -> Sidebar

Click to de/select what you want to show/hide in the Finder's sidebar. I don't want the hard drive in my dock, but you should be able to drag it there from the Finder after you've tweaked preferences.
post #139 of 184
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Originally Posted by elroth View Post

In the Get Info window, it should say "Kind: Application (Intel)" or "Kind: Application (Universal)' or "Kind: Application (PowerPC)" - the first two will work under Lion, the PowerPC apps won't.

Instead of looking at one app at a time, you could click "About This Mac" under the Apple menu, and then click on "More Info..." to go to System Profiler. In the left column click "Applications", and you'll get a list. You can sort that list by "Kind" to see which of your apps are PowerPC (won't work in Lion).

I see, thanks. Although, in the Get Info window all I see is "application" without further qualification. The "About This Mac" menu is showing me what I want to see.
post #140 of 184
Download and install went well. Less than 45 minutes to download and install (50mb internet + SSD). Features are fairly nice. Interface is extremely bland though.

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post #141 of 184
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Originally Posted by sranger View Post

!!!! WARNING !!!

Two Major problems with Lion and one annoyance:

1) Not compatible wth most NAS drives. Apple added a new APF but did not include backwards compatibility.... ( This is going to be a huge problem ) Apples position is talk your NAS manufacturer into updating their firmware...( Like that is going to happen )

2) Many Wireless printers are not going to work due to problem #1. My brand new HP Photosmart C310 WILL NOT WORK with Lion.

Wireless Epson NX420 works perfectly. Talk to HP (I recently dumped HP for Epson, for a number of reasons).

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3) Why in the world did they reverse the two finger scroll up/down behavior?????

A lot of people came to gestural UIs from iPhone/iPad, and they're familiar with that usage. And probably have complained about the different usage between iOS and Mac behavior.

You can change it in System Preferences to fit your own preferred behavior
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Originally Posted by ZachB10 View Post

Interface is extremely bland though.

Why?

What, because of the greyscale, removal of useless scroll bars, and... what?

I fell in love with the new Spotlight the moment I used it in DP1. Not too happy about how sorting files in Finder looks, though. At all.

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post #143 of 184
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Why?

What, because of the greyscale, removal of useless scroll bars, and... what?

Greyscale. I like the removal of scrollbars. I like the animations, everything is responsive. Safari is nice. However, the greyscale rather sucks.

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post #144 of 184
The finder sorting is... interesting.

I like the new system info under "about this mac." The revised dashboard is rather nice.

Natural scrolling was turned off immediately.

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post #145 of 184
> Lion is an upgrade and can be installed on all your authorized personal Macs.

How does this work? After upgrading your first Mac do you have copy a 3+ Gb file to your other Mac(s)?
post #146 of 184
Loving it so far. Apple's changes with OS X have almost all been the kinds of changes I've been looking for in an OS. It works exactly the way my mind wants it to. Even the changes to Spaces to form part of Mission Control match up with my work flow slightly better - once I disabled Mission Control's automatic rearrangement feature anyway.

The best features so far are, for me, Safari 5.1 (Safari is usable again! And Fullscreen Safari is a delight - this is how browsers should work. They've even adopted a behaviour I designed - independently - years ago where vertical real estate is preserved without losing information by placing the Page Title in the Address Bar) and the death of scrollbars.

Let me be clear about this. I hate scrollbars. I always have. I always used to resize windows and hide elements and collapse lists etc. just to be rid of them as much as possible - especially in sidebars. To me, they've always been unnecessary visual clutter, clogging up screen real estate providing me with information I don't need most of the time. The Lion behaviour is perfect. They're only there when they have some information to share and they share it without chewing up precious pixels.

It's like Apple built a Mac OS X just for me

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post #147 of 184
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Thanks -- if I could rely on all my machines following that pattern, I'd switch. The thing is, I still use some older machines too (and I need to keep 2004 word functionality, stupid American Chemical Society!)

How close to Word 2004 formatted docs can you get with, say LibreOffice?

Worst case, Word 2011 can save to Word 97-2004 format.

Not upgrading one of the older ones probably is the cheapest solution.
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I've been downloading for 2 hours and it's done 1GB. This is slightly faster than dial-up speeds on a 10Mbit ADSL connection. If Apple are going to distribute their software as download-only they need to invest in a lot more bandwidth \

Given that others seem to be getting their downloads at much higher speeds, maybe it isn't Apple's (and/or their various conduits like Akamai) issue.
post #149 of 184
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Originally Posted by tyler82 View Post

I want to update to Lion but I fear having my hard drive wiped

Do a full backup first. That should go without saying.

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or having programs I use for work becoming incompatible, such as Office 2011.

Office 2011 seems to work just fine. Previous reports asserted that 2008 but not earlier, worked.

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Any reported compatibility or installation issues to report? I am on a Macbook unibody 13"

Gargle is your friend. Really.
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Thanks -- if I could rely on all my machines following that pattern, I'd switch. The thing is, I still use some older machines too (and I need to keep 2004 word functionality, stupid American Chemical Society!)

Aren't more modern versions of Office (and, heck, I'm sure Pages does it) capable of saving files that are compatible with that?

I have some old MS Word documents that MS Word 2011 will not open, but MS Word 2004 will. MS Word 2011's failure in that regard is very troubling.
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Am I the only person who is sitting entranced, three finger swiping left, right, up and down?

Two finger sliding for 'back' and 'forward' in safari is also fairly lovely. Now if Amazon would just update the kindle app to support full screen.
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I have some old MS Word documents that MS Word 2011 will not open, but MS Word 2004 will. MS Word 2011's failure in that regard is very troubling.

So open them in aught four, save them as an aught four file, then open that file in '11 and save it as an '11 file.

Or just get pages and have only one file that works everywhere.

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post #153 of 184
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I've been downloading for 2 hours and it's done 1GB. This is slightly faster than dial-up speeds on a 10Mbit ADSL connection. If Apple are going to distribute their software as download-only they need to invest in a lot more bandwidth \

All you have to do is imagine the sheer amount of people that are sucking Lion down off Apple's servers. They can either throttle or crash their network. Which would you prefer?
post #154 of 184
KisMAC stopped working.

Really, really liking this so far. The new multitouch gestures are sweet. I think this is going to push me over the edge to get a new 15" Pro though.

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Are you saying I can create a bootable drive using the files in the recovery disk? That's what I'm hoping, but I haven't found anywhere on the net to confirm this. I will play around with it tonight as I only brought my MBP to work to utilize our bandwith...so I haven't had a chance to explore LION...

No. Are you saying that after you did the install with the 4GB Lion installer that you didn't back up, it was fully deleted? You'd think there would have been some warning before Apple did that to your new software property wouldn't you? Surprise surprise.

I GAVE YOU THE LINK TO DIRECTIONS HOW TO DO IT from what you downloaded:

How to make a bootable Lion install disc or drive.

Sorry if you have to download it again. But really, numerous How To articles about how to make an install DVD or Flash Drive have been published on the Internet for the past 3 weeks or more.

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post #156 of 184
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I've been downloading for 2 hours and it's done 1GB. This is slightly faster than dial-up speeds on a 10Mbit ADSL connection. If Apple are going to distribute their software as download-only they need to invest in a lot more bandwidth \

I was getting about 3.5 megabytes per second. Sounds like your internet connection has an issue.

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Note: I have no idea why there are *'s after most paragraphs. The curse of typing this out on an iPad via a free text editor before pasting here I guess. Also, I'm too lazy to correct this, so fuck it.

Ok, onto the story...

Three hour download, twenty five minute install (holy hell!! That was a nice surprise).

At first I had a minor issue with Mail not sending/receiving and web pages not loading, but a simple DNS refresh cleared that up.

I have to admit, when I first saw the Lion previews I thought it looked cluttered, just like I thought iOS 4 looked when Apple first showed it off. Like I can't imagine going back to iOS 3, I can't imagine going back to Snow Leopard after two hours of using Lion. In my books Apple knocked this one out of the park.

1) At first I was pissed that Spaces was gone. I lived and breathed Spaces. Then I took a closer look at Mission Control and what it actually did. Drag and drop extra desktops (you don't need to set up a predefined amount of spaces, they're there when you want them and you can delete them when you don't) full view of all your open apps, including fullscreen... Mission Control is my new favorite thing in a desktop OS; the fact that I can control my entire desktop experience with a double tap as opposed to a combo of F8/F9/Ctrl+right or left arrow is amazing.*

2) The iOS touch style scrolling took about half an hour to get used to. I kept the mindset that my magic mouse was my iPad and eventually it all clicked.*

3) Full screen apps is a thing of beauty. 'Nuff said.*

4) The new Mail app is taking a bit of getting used to. I've never been a fan of grouped emails, but the more I stick with it, the more Apples version is making sense. I've tried grouped messages with Outlook and iOS and I just can't get it. Now, however, it seems to be working.*

5) Launchpad is kinda neat. I still find myself using the Dock just as much as usual, but the fact that I have a fully customized Application folder with one click that looks likes my iPad home screen is kind of neat (and familiar, which is what Apple was shooting for considering the amount of people out there who have iDevices and no Mac, but who are considering a Mac based on the iDevice experience).*

Some minor gripes:

1) iCal. Great new features. Fucking UGLY interface. I was hoping that faux leather look that showed up in screenshots in April was a 4/1 joke. Nope. Ugly. This needs to be fixed.*

2) The update to Pages is confusing me. I opened shit I was working on before the upgrade, and I can't do anything with it. It's locked in some way I haven't figured out yet.*

A nice surprise:

Autocorrect. Nice to see. Although I'm sure my emails will now look as fucked up as the SMS messages I send when drunk. Then again, sending emails and SMS messages when drunk is never a good idea.*
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I have installed it on my mbp... I could not even imagine it would go so wrong.
1. Boot time changed from unmeasurable (3 dots on "boot wheel") to 24 seconds counted from when EFI ends until background shows up. Cleaned up everything, rebooted few times, no change to that.

Hmm - I definitely am not seeing that!

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2. can't move applications how I want. like chess to games folder, unused small software to utilities folder. OS just refuse to move or delete.

Not seeing that either...

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3. some of my applications are now not usable saying can't open powerpc applications. well, they are not

How long have you had them? Migrated them from a Power PC Mac? Screw up using a program like ONYX and deleted the Intel instead of PPC side of a universal app? Sounds like they only had the PPC code in them. Apple did you a favor - re-install them and I'll bet they speed up significantly!

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4. forced no scrollbars, looks nice indeed, but apps like vnc are unusable without fullscreen

Actually you can turn them back on in the General systems preference pane. I already did. Annoying, but not fatal and easily reverted. Don't miss the arrows - can't tell you the last time I clicked on a scroll bar or scroll arrow, but I do like the visual indicator of where I am.

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PS: I was charged twice for lion update on same account.

File a claim with iTunes support - if they are refunding people for Final Cut X, you should get a bogus double charge reversed easily. Just be sure to ask them to reverse it and not just complain on the Internet
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Originally Posted by mdcat View Post

> Lion is an upgrade and can be installed on all your authorized personal Macs.

How does this work? After upgrading your first Mac do you have copy a 3+ Gb file to your other Mac(s)?

Yes. By default when downloaded by the App Store it will put the Lion installer in your Applications folder and auto-start it.

Do not run it from the Applications folder if you wish to re-use it! Quit the auto running of the Lion installer, copy the file somewhere else or just move it out of the applications folder - then run it. That way it will be around after the install is complete.

Since most people are probably upgrading one machine deleting the installer after install probably makes since for most people. Luckily if you have multiple Mac's it's easy to save the installer file to do so.
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Originally Posted by Jotbolger View Post

I've been downloading for 2 hours and it's done 1GB. This is slightly faster than dial-up speeds on a 10Mbit ADSL connection. If Apple are going to distribute their software as download-only they need to invest in a lot more bandwidth \

It's your ISP throttling you probably. I downloaded Lion this morning (10:00 AM EST) in about 45 minutes, and xCode this evening (~6:30PM EST) at about the same speed. In the morning you could probably argue I was "ahead of the curve" - but not tonight. Don't assume every issue is Apple's or their content delivery network providers...
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