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post #41 of 184
7/20/11 at 7:13am
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Originally Posted by Multimedia View Post

So today's release is build 11A494 ? Yes or no please?

NO.

GM Build: 11A511
GM InstallESD.dmg MD5: b5d3753c62bfb69866e94dca9336a44a

App Store Build: 11A511
App Store InstallESD.dmg MD5: b5d3753c62bfb69866e94dca9336a44a

So, yea, bit by bit identical.
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post #42 of 184
7/20/11 at 7:13am
It's the same.
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post #43 of 184
7/20/11 at 7:21am
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I was suprised that they did not release this for each country at 00:01 am local time, that way they could have tiered the hit that their servers are going to get now.

Surely you don't think it's all coming from one server? I'm sure it's replicated on caching servers around the world.
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post #44 of 184
7/20/11 at 7:25am
Just downloaded in half an hour. Now got another half an hour to wait while it installs.
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post #45 of 184
7/20/11 at 7:26am
installed LION: the whole process took about 45 minutes. (download to running)
everything seems fine, and i love the new look and feel of OSX. Nice improvement for Mail and Safari.
oh, and the FINDER is awesome.
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post #46 of 184
7/20/11 at 7:31am
Just installed Lion and logged in. Tested it for about 30 sec - no doubt this is the best OS ever!
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post #47 of 184
7/20/11 at 7:33am
So could anyone clarify this thing for me - suppose a reinstall from scratch is nessesary, such as in the case of a damaged hard drive, is there any way to do that with the app store version or do I need to buy that USB stick or worse, run older Leopard install and then redownload Lion again?
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post #48 of 184
7/20/11 at 7:45am
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Originally Posted by Buck View Post

So could anyone clarify this thing for me - suppose a reinstall from scratch is nessesary, such as in the case of a damaged hard drive, is there any way to do that with the app store version or do I need to buy that USB stick or worse, run older Leopard install and then redownload Lion again?

Or you can use disc utility create your own backup
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post #49 of 184
7/20/11 at 7:49am
I get this when I try to install: "The software could not be verified. It may have been corrupted or tampered with during download."

Then when I go back to the App store it says "Installed" and won't let me download again.

OK - now what?

Update. Now downloading again from another computer. I'll try to burn the installer or copy it over.
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post #50 of 184
7/20/11 at 7:52am
Mac OS X Up to date refuses my Mac's serial number I purchased it less than two weeks ago.
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post #51 of 184
7/20/11 at 7:52am
I am flabbergasted! This new OS X exceeds what I expected now that I have it in my hot little hands. Very impressed with how the full screen apps make use of limited real estate on my 15'' MBP. The animations are smooth between apps. The gesture for scrolling in Safari seems reversed from what I'm used to but actually more intuitive and easy to get used to. So much more, but these were a few things that struck me right off the bat.
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post #52 of 184
7/20/11 at 7:55am
This is strange. I've been running the developer releases all along including the golden master, but when I just updated to the retail Lion on another Mac the new Safari didn't come with it. It's still 5.0.5 rather than 5.1. Anyone else have this happen?
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post #53 of 184
7/20/11 at 7:58am
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Mac OS X Up to date refuses my Mac's serial number I purchased it less than two weeks ago.

Are you sure it qualifies. I bought a Mac Mini Server on 7th June and found it's not in the list of qualifying Macs
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post #54 of 184
7/20/11 at 7:59am
I've been running a not-so-legit copy of Lion for a while, now. The GM is excellent! Even so, it never crossed my mind to NOT download the legit version as soon as it was available. I am pleased to see so many here doing the same. What is it about this product that makes us want to pay for it? I did the same with iLife and iWork too.
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post #55 of 184
7/20/11 at 8:01am
I have just spent the last half hour staring at the grey 'Installing' screen after the reboot. I called apple as there was no time indication on install. They said they just got a message from headquarters that this is a known issue and they are working on resolving it. They took my number and will call me back when they sort it out. Time to get the old OSX discs out. Holy crap, this and Final Cut X. What the hell is going on down there? Blowout quarter though. Praise be to apple.
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post #56 of 184
7/20/11 at 8:03am
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Mac OS X Up to date refuses my Mac's serial number I purchased it less than two weeks ago.

Same here, I called and they have no idea why it would be refusing mine since it is eligible. They told me to wait and try it again tonight. \
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post #57 of 184
7/20/11 at 8:10am
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Originally Posted by richwl View Post

This is strange. I've been running the developer releases all along including the golden master, but when I just updated to the retail Lion on another Mac the new Safari didn't come with it. It's still 5.0.5 rather than 5.1. Anyone else have this happen?

Interesting, 5.1 is available to download for Snow Leopard and Windows. But not for the retail Lion???

Update: OK, even more odd, though my MBP never showed the 5.1 update, I restarted for the hell of it and now Safari 5.1 is installed. Software updates are coming fast and furious though so who knows?

Update 2: So it seems that I had two versions of Safari on my MBP. 5.0.5 and 5.1. Don't know how that happened.
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post #58 of 184
7/20/11 at 8:16am
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Just installed Lion and logged in. Tested it for about 30 sec - no doubt this is the best OS ever!

Best in depth review ever. I'm starting my download now. By the way, has anyone tried this on something less than a supercharged machine? How does it compare to SL? Inevitably with OS updates, lag and slowness creeps in.
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post #59 of 184
7/20/11 at 8:21am
Ok, the Mac just beeped at me. I unplugged all the SATA external drives and then force booted it (with my $hitkickers) and then it came back and started installing. So far so good. Of course it did give me time to copy my last to Steve Jobs email. I mean, come on, you never tested it with external RAIDS plugged in. Got to go Lion is booting
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post #60 of 184
7/20/11 at 8:32am
The new scroll bars are ... interesting. The problem I'm seeing is that they don't reliably render in a way that is clear, some web-page designs can result in safari rendering them as white on white.
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post #61 of 184
7/20/11 at 8:33am
But is it snappier?

Seriously. My old iMac barely meets the minimum specs and SL really seemed to slow it down. With all the (useless IMO) eye candy in Lion I'm thinking it would bog it down even further.

Would be interested on seeing some actual before and after benchmarks on older systems.
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post #62 of 184
7/20/11 at 8:39am
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Originally Posted by kgbwnet View Post

NO.

GM Build: 11A511
GM InstallESD.dmg MD5: b5d3753c62bfb69866e94dca9336a44a

App Store Build: 11A511
App Store InstallESD.dmg MD5: b5d3753c62bfb69866e94dca9336a44a

So, yea, bit by bit identical.

Thanks.

The App Store says it's 3.59GB. Looking at only the InstallESD.dmg and with formatting this should fit on the average 4GB USB flash drive. Definitely on a single layer DVD.
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post #63 of 184
7/20/11 at 8:41am
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Best in depth review ever. I'm starting my download now. By the way, has anyone tried this on something less than a supercharged machine? How does it compare to SL? Inevitably with OS updates, lag and slowness creeps in.

Installed Lion on a blank 2TB HD from a Lion flash drive then migrated settings and apps from my Snow Leopard HD. I find it sluggish. Disappointed how sluggish. Wondering if some Snow Leopard settings make it so. But I did do the migration without yesterday's Snow Leopard Migration Assistant update. So right now I don't know if I should start over or if I should just hang in there until 10.7.1 comes out.

And on my 4GB 2.4 GHz 2008 BlackBook, the Lion FaceTime is just as bad as my beta FaceTime was - unacceptably slower than slow. That was a Lion install on top of Snow Leopard 10.6.8.

Right now I'd say it's slower than Snow Leopard on this 3 year old 8 core Mac Pro and the BlackBook. But this is just my feeling - nothing scientific. Underwhealmed would be my one word review. The thing is, I want to believe Lion is better. Just got the notice the 64-bit iTunes 10.4 is up so I'm hoping this will change my perception.

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post #64 of 184
7/20/11 at 8:47am
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I Find Lion Sluggish On My 8 Core 18GB 2.8 GHz 2008 Mac Pro

1) Fresh installs and authorized data migrations are best.

2) Spotlight indexing can even make a Mac Pro seem slow after an installation.
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post #65 of 184
7/20/11 at 8:50am
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The new scroll bars are ... interesting. The problem I'm seeing is that they don't reliably render in a way that is clear, some web-page designs can result in safari rendering them as white on white.

Nope. They switch colors for those backgrounds.
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post #66 of 184
7/20/11 at 8:51am
In the just-so-you-know department:

If you used Spaces a lot in Snow Leopard, be ready to lose some functionality. You can use control-arrow to move throughout the spaces as if they were on a carousel, just like before, but they are no longer in a grid. You can't take advantage of the fact that if you have nine spaces, space 2 and space 4 are both adjacent to space 1. So far I have not found any way to specify which space an application uses by default, which means I can't organize them.

Launchpad is a good example of too much information. Launchpad shows everything in the Applications folder, including programs that you never launch directly. So far as I can tell, the only way to prevent a program from showing up in Launchpad is to uninstall it. Grouping the programs is easy but time consuming the first-time around. If you have a very messy dock, you'll have a very messy Launchpad. It doesn't cure that.

You might not find these to be problems at all. Forewarned is forearmed (which makes it hard to buy shirts)
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post #67 of 184
7/20/11 at 8:56am
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Originally Posted by Panu View Post

So far as I can tell, the only way to prevent a program from showing up in Launchpad is to uninstall it.

Control+Option+Command+click. Simple.

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Grouping the programs is easy but time consuming the first-time around. If you have a very messy dock, you'll have a very messy Launchpad. It doesn't cure that.

Why?



What bothers me the most is that fricking Launchpad never updates to the actual application icon. I've changed most of Apple's to BETTER icons, and they won't change.

They'll change if you remove the application from the Applications folder, sure, but absolutely none of these are allowed to be moved. Which is abject nonsense.
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post #68 of 184
7/20/11 at 8:59am
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1) Fresh installs and authorized data migrations are best.

2) Spotlight indexing can even make a Mac Pro seem slow after an installation.

Forgot to mention that in Zoom Mode the drag up doesn't move the Zoom view until you go over beyond the left edge. Very bad bug if you use Zoom all the time like I do.

What's an authorized data migration? I did do a fresh install on an empty HD.

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post #69 of 184
7/20/11 at 9:01am
I am puzzled. I clicked to purchase/download Lion from the App store, and the download seems to have begun, but I can get no info anywhere on the progress of the download. Am I just being obtuse? There's no download progress bar, etc.
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post #70 of 184
7/20/11 at 9:04am
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I am puzzled. I clicked to purchase/download Lion from the App store, and the download seems to have begun, but I can get no info anywhere on the progress of the download. Am I just being obtuse? There's no download progress bar, etc.

Aha, now I see a download progress bar in the App Store icon at the bottom of my screen. If it's accurate, this is a pretty slow download.
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post #71 of 184
7/20/11 at 9:05am
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

1) Fresh installs and authorized data migrations are best.

Fresh install - how? Lion is downloading now. Will I be presented with the usual install screen with options to do Clean Install?
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2) Spotlight indexing can even make a Mac Pro seem slow after an installation.

You mean while the indexing is happening?
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post #72 of 184
7/20/11 at 9:07am
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

Control+Option+Command+click. Simple.

That's simple, but it's not an intuitive option. With Apple trying to bridge the gap user experience (read: fear) gap between iOS and Mac OS and there being 220 iOS devices to date it's easier just to click and hold the mouse over an icon to get them to wiggle, much like you'd hold your finger over an icon in iOS to get them to wiggle. Just like with iOS, App Store apps get the same as the same circle and (X) noting you can delete the app.
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post #73 of 184
7/20/11 at 9:08am
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I am puzzled. I clicked to purchase/download Lion from the App store, and the download seems to have begun, but I can get no info anywhere on the progress of the download. Am I just being obtuse? There's no download progress bar, etc.

Choose 'Store' menu and then select Purchased and you will see a better progress bar
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post #74 of 184
7/20/11 at 9:11am
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Fresh install - how? Lion is downloading now. Will I be presented with the usual install screen with options to do Clean Install?

From within the Lion installer in SL you'll have the option to install Lion over SL or install Lion on a separate partition. You can also create a bootable installer of Lion and wipe your primary drive as you wish.

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You mean while the indexing is happening?

Yes, while indexing.

PS: I recommend to everyone to make a copy of the Install Mac OS X.app installer in /Applications before you do your upgrade.
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post #75 of 184
7/20/11 at 9:12am
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That's simple, but it's not an intuitive option.

It's not supposed to be. It's supposed to be something you won't do accidentally.

The only time I ever had crap in Launchpad I didn't want there was when I installed Adobe software.

Absolutely no other files that operate as applications (but aren't meant to be clicked) on my computer show up there. ONLY Adobe crap. And so I just deleted those applications (but kept the real Adobe ones) to solve it.
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post #76 of 184
7/20/11 at 9:12am
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Choose 'Store' menu and then select Purchased and you will see a better progress bar

Thank you very much. Much better!
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post #77 of 184
7/20/11 at 9:17am
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

Control+Option+Command+click. Simple.

That only removes APP store applications. You can no longer remove any other icons.
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post #78 of 184
7/20/11 at 9:17am
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Originally Posted by MagicFingers View Post

i am getting around 3.4 mb per second with my 35mbit internet. iThink that is pretty fast isnt it? spikes to 4.4 drops to 1.6 every once in a while. i am 2.5GB through in 15 minutes

Here in Bellingham, WA, starting soon after 8:00 AM, I downloaded it at an average I'd estimate at about 1.7 MBps, or over 13 Mbps. I have Comcast's 12 Mbps "Performance" package for $24.95, and IMO they've exceeded their commitment. Apple has astounded me by serving it at this speed. Very pleased with both companies.

It's rebooted and is installing right now on my 27" late 2009 i7 iMac.
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post #79 of 184
7/20/11 at 9:18am
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It's not supposed to be. It's supposed to be something you won't do accidentally.

The only time I ever had crap in Launchpad I didn't want there was when I installed Adobe software.

Absolutely no other files that operate as applications (but aren't meant to be clicked) on my computer show up there. ONLY Adobe crap. And so I just deleted those applications (but kept the real Adobe ones) to solve it.

As a power user do you even use LaunchPad? I know I don't. I removed it from my Dock and haven't even organized it since the first Preview.
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post #80 of 184
7/20/11 at 9:31am
Hello everyone!

I could use a little help here, please... Trying to install Lion now but when I get to "Select the Disk where you want to install Mac OS X" The Macintosh HD (SSD. 99 GB free) states "This disk cannot be used to start up your computer". I have another partition with Bootcamp running Win7 tweaked with CampTune. Does anyone have any idea why I can't install Lion on this brand new iMac 3.4 GHz i7 with 8 GB memory?

Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks!

Ah! Solved it! I resized the Mac HD paritition down about 5 GB by booting with the Show Leopard install disk and running the Disk Utility. Rebooted and now Lion will install. Sweet!
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