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Apple on Wednesday unveiled the new Apple Thunderbolt Display, the worlds first display with Thunderbolt I/O technology and built-in docking cables for Mac notebooks set to arrive sometime in the next 60 days for $999.

Following in the tradition of the previous 27-inch LED display, the new offering is designed specifically for Mac notebooks and features an elegant, thin, aluminum and glass enclosure, and includes a MagSafe connector that charges a MacBook Pro or MacBook Air.

With a 16:9 edge-to-edge glass design, the Thunderbolt Display uses IPS technology to provide a brilliant image across an ultra wide 178 degree viewing angle. Any Thunderbolt-enabled Mac notebook can dock with the display to quickly and easily create a full-fledged desktop solution.

The Thunderbolt Display also includes a built-in FaceTime HD video camera for crisp video conferencing, a 2.1 speaker system for high quality audio, an integrated MagSafe charger to keep Mac notebooks charged, three USB 2.0 ports, one FireWire 800 port, one Gigabit Ethernet port and a Thunderbolt port for daisy chaining up to five additional Thunderbolt devices.



The Apple Thunderbolt Display is the ultimate docking station for your Mac notebook, said Philip Schiller, Apples senior vice president of Worldwide Product Marketing. With just one cable, users can dock with their new display and connect to high performance peripherals, network connections and audio devices.



Apple touted that the Thunderbolt Display is the worlds first display to include Thunderbolt I/O technology. Featuring two bi-directional channels with transfer speeds up to 10Gbps each, each Thunderbolt port delivers PCI Express directly to external peripherals such as high performance storage and RAID arrays, supports DisplayPort for high resolution displays and works with existing adapters for HDMI, DVI and VGA displays.

Thunderbolt-based Macs with discrete graphics can drive two external displays giving professional users over 7 million additional pixels of display real estate and the ability to daisy chain additional Thunderbolt devices, as well as video and audio capture devices.

The Thunderbolt Display also includes an ambient light sensor which automatically adjusts the display brightness based on external lighting conditions and uses only as much energy as necessary to provide an optimum viewing experience. Each unit is constructred with mercury-free LED technology, arsenic-free glass and highly recyclable materials, the new display meets Energy Star 5.0 requirements and achieves EPEAT Gold status. The new display contains no brominated flame retardants and all cables and components are PVC-free.



Pricing & Availability

The new Thunderbolt Display will be available within the next 60 days through the Apple Store, Apples retail stores and Apple Authorized Resellers for a suggested retail price of $999 (US). The Apple Thunderbolt Display requires a Mac with a Thunderbolt I/O port.
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Beautiful, just a shame they're so expensive! At £899 ($1450 US) it's far too much, especially when £400 more gets the entry level 27" imac
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I am so freaking furious at Apple for doing this.

I can't even put it into words.

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I am so freaking furious at Apple for doing this.

Doing what?
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I am so freaking furious at Apple for doing this.

I can't even put it into words.

Do you just buy one a few days ago?
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People have been wanting a docking station from Apple for years. This display is it.


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I am so freaking furious at Apple for doing this.

I can't even put it into words.

Seriously?
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post #7 of 96
They make him want to spend more money.
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I want the iMacs to look like this. Right now they just look....wrong....beside each other.
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Originally Posted by saarek View Post

Beautiful, just a shame they're so expensive! At £899 ($1450 US) it's far too much, especially when £400 more gets the entry level 27" imac

Dell's 27" 2560x1440 displays are $1000. And a quick search on Newegg shows 2560x1440 monitors right around $1000. So it seems Apple's new display is competitively priced with its peers.

- Jasen.
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Well I guess that answers it. I will be buying a dell display, as much as I'd like the new Thunderbolt display since I can't use it without buying a new computer. I was hoping I'd be able to future proof myself, for my next Mac purchase.
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Do you just buy one a few days ago?

Nope, launch day of the 27" LED Cinema Display.

I only bought it because I was told it shouldn't be obsoleted for another five to six years or so.

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They make him want to spend more money.

Oh, I won't be spending any more money on Apple displays, that's for sure.

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No matte option means no purchase. It is a health and productivity issue! Sign the matte display petition here:
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Get. Over. It.

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Following in the tradition of the previous 27-inch LED display, the new offering is designed specifically for Mac notebooks and features an elegant, thin, aluminum and glass enclosure, and includes a MagSafe connector that charges a MacBook Pro or MacBook Air.

And a replacement monitor for desktop pro's in the 30" rage is due when?

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And a replacement monitor for desktop pro's in the 30" rage is due when?

That replacement came out in July 2010.

It just received an update, too. This thread talks about it, in fact.

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Get. Over. It.

"deleted"

Please no glossy/vs matte discussion folks. We understand the opposing views.
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Nope, launch day of the 27" LED Cinema Display.

I only bought it because I was told it shouldn't be obsoleted for another five to six years or so.

Join the club. My iMac is one revision out of date, my Time Capsule is two revisions, my iPad is an iPad 1...
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That replacement came out in July 2010.

It just received an update, too. This thread talks about it, in fact.

Apple has a 30" or larger screen again?

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Join the club. My iMac is one revision out of date, my Time Capsule is two revisions, my iPad is an iPad 1...

The difference is that there's absolutely no expectation that those have a lifespan longer than six months, two years, and one year, respectively.

I was told (and history has shown) that Apple displays go five to six years without updates. So I bought a 27" Cinema Display to replace my rather unwieldy set of three 24" monitors.

And then Apple goes and does this nonsense. They could have easily made ONLY a Thunderbolt display model.


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If you work in a room with windows, you need this. Perhaps you've never used a matte display.

I was exactly like you until I used a glossy monitor. Then I got over it. And there's absolutely no problem with using one in a room with windows. Perhaps you've never used a glossy display.

Were you even alive when CRTs were the only choice? How did you get by then?

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Matte. Is. Better.

Completely subjective.

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Apple has a 30" or larger screen again?

And what does physical size have to do with anything?

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The difference is that there's absolutely no expectation that those have a lifespan longer than six months, two years, and one year, respectively.

I was told (and history has shown) that Apple displays go five to six years without updates. So I bought a 27" Cinema Display to replace my rather unwieldy set of three 24" monitors.

And then Apple goes and does this nonsense. They could have easily made ONLY a Thunderbolt display model.




I was exactly like you until I used a glossy monitor. Then I got over it. And there's absolutely no problem with using one in a room with windows. Perhaps you've never used a glossy display.

Were you even alive when CRTs were the only choice? How did you get by then?



Completely subjective.



And what does physical size have to do with anything?

No monitor provider in the world keeps a model around for 5 years. Your monitor will most certainly hum right along for 5 years and if you can't handle the system you bought to use it then you are beyond reason.
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I wonder if you can hook up a third party display to the thunderbolt port and how long before there's an adaptor to run two third party displays.
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Originally Posted by jasenj1 View Post

Dell's 27" 2560x1440 displays are $1000. And a quick search on Newegg shows 2560x1440 monitors right around $1000. So it seems Apple's new display is competitively priced with its peers.

- Jasen.

NEC sells a nice 27" monitor with Displayport for $1400 - PA271W-BK. It has very similar features to the new Thunderbolt Display, so Apple seems to be offering a lot of value here.
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No monitor provider in the world keeps a model around for 5 years.

Apple. Which is why I'm right.

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Your monitor will most certainly hum right along for 5 years and if you can't handle the system you bought to use it then you are beyond reason.

I don't understand what the second part of this means.

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I wonder if you can hook up a third party display to the thunderbolt port

Of course.

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and how long before there's an adaptor to run two third party displays.

They already exist. Because all third-party displays require an adapter to get to Mini DisplayPort, anyway.

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Tallest Skil: who told you it wouldn't be obsoleted for such a long time? Why did you believe them?
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Folks

A matte Apple Thunderbolt Display would be great but it's not available. We've discussed matte vs glossy in numerous other threads. Let's keep this on topic.

Let's not miss the incredible flexibility that Thunderbolt allows here with the built in dock on the display. I really like that Ethernet made it. So now the ATD (Apple Thunderbolt Display) neatly packages what many expected to come in a few of adapters

Thunderbolt to Firewire
Thunderbolt to Ethernet
Thunderbolt to USB
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Folks

A matte Apple Thunderbolt Display would be great but it's not available. We've discussed matte vs glossy in numerous other threads. Let's keep this on topic.

Let's not miss the incredible flexibility that Thunderbolt allows here with the built in dock on the display. I really like that Ethernet made it. So now the ATD (Apple Thunderbolt Display) neatly packages what many expected to come in a few of adapters

Thunderbolt to Firewire
Thunderbolt to Ethernet
Thunderbolt to USB

Yes that is the big news here. I wonder how they did it? Custom designed "bridge" board or something that Intel offers?
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Yes that is the big news here. I wonder how they did it? Custom designed "bridge" board or something that Intel offers?

I also wonder if future iMacs will also work as docks. I imagine that the MBA air and an iMac at home form a pretty powerful duo.
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Tallest Skil: who told you it wouldn't be obsoleted for such a long time? Why did you believe them?

A representative at Apple.

I wouldn't have believed them (because they generally know nothing), but Apple's display release history made me think they'd know what they were on about.

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Beautiful, just a shame they're so expensive! At £899 ($1450 US) it's far too much, especially when £400 more gets the entry level 27" imac

The one with a 21" screen, right?

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Seriously?

I thought it was satire. It might still be.

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Apple. Which is why I'm right.

Not quite, there were stealth updates. They updated the brightness, contrast ratios and response times every couple years or so.
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People have been wanting a docking station from Apple for years. This display is it.




Seriously?

Yes, this "display" supports gigabit Ethernet and Firewire 800 over the Thunderbolt connection, plus USB 2.0 !
It is a non-portable ethernet adapter for the MacBook Air. It also supports audio output over a single cable. I wonder what Apple's margin is compared to the previous 27" display ? Especially since they are charging $49 bucks for a Thnderbolt cable.

If connected to a Mac mini server, it would provide a second gigbit Ethernet connection, that could be connected to a completely separate ethernet path. I wonder what the Firewire speed is compared to a native port ?

It is the only existing example of a Thunderbolt expansion dock - at least until new Mac Pro.s are announced.
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Folks

A matte Apple Thunderbolt Display would be great but it's not available. We've discussed matte vs glossy in numerous other threads. Let's keep this on topic.

Let's not miss the incredible flexibility that Thunderbolt allows here with the built in dock on the display. I really like that Ethernet made it. So now the ATD (Apple Thunderbolt Display) neatly packages what many expected to come in a few of adapters

Thunderbolt to Firewire
Thunderbolt to Ethernet
Thunderbolt to USB

I forget who said it but my suggestion of Ethernet on the ACD Display was seen as a silly notion. I'm also glad they made the cut.

Also, there is a mic, speakers, IR input, and HD FaceTime cam which I think all work via USB thought via Thunderbolt.
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Folks

A matte Apple Thunderbolt Display would be great but it's not available. We've discussed matte vs glossy in numerous other threads. Let's keep this on topic.

Agreed, flogged horse. Anyone that wants matte should go to Apple's feedback page and request it there.

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Let's not miss the incredible flexibility that Thunderbolt allows here with the built in dock on the display. I really like that Ethernet made it. So now the ATD (Apple Thunderbolt Display) neatly packages what many expected to come in a few of adapters

Thunderbolt to Firewire
Thunderbolt to Ethernet
Thunderbolt to USB

I'm surprised (and impressed) and I think it stymies the people that said Ethernet would never happen, one person even seemed to mock it like it was equivalent to asking for an RS-232 port.
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Yes, this "display" supports gigabit Ethernet and Firewire 800 over the Thunderbolt connection, plus USB 2.0 !
It is a non-portable ethernet adapter for the MacBook Air. It also supports audio output over a single cable. I wonder what Apple's margin is compared to the previous 27" display ? Especially since they are charging $49 bucks for a Thnderbolt cable.

If connected to a Mac mini server, it would provide a second gigbit Ethernet connection, that could be connected to a completely separate ethernet path. I wonder what the Firewire speed is compared to a native port ?

It is the only existing example of a Thunderbolt expansion dock - at least until new Mac Pro.s are announced.

It's impressive versatility. Now image a second LED Display connected via Thunderbolt and you have 3 Gigabit Ethernet ports which is more than the Mac Pro has.
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Maybe I'm slow these last couple days but I'm still trying to figure out the advantages of Thunderbolt. I've currently got my MacBook Pro hooked up to a 24" Cinema Display and it works just fine. Even if my MBP supported Thunderbolt, what would that do for me? The only signal I need going between my monitor and my computer is the video signal and the mini display port does that just fine. So what's the big deal?

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Maybe I'm slow these last couple days but I'm still trying to figure out the advantages of Thunderbolt. I've currently got my MacBook Pro hooked up to a 24" Cinema Display and it works just fine. Even if my MBP supported Thunderbolt, what would that do for me? The only signal I need going between my monitor and my computer is the video signal and the mini display port does that just fine. So what's the big deal?

Chatted with a guy that had a 60GB iPhoto library that took an hour to transfer via Firewire from one Mac to another.

He upgraded to a Thunderbolt machine but then decided to exchange for another Thunderbolt enabled model. The TB to TB connection transferred that same library in 20 minutes.

So beyond the incredible speed TB should allow for some nice flexibility.
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Will Thunderbolt PCI-X cards be available for my MacPro?
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A representative at Apple. I wouldn't have believed them (because they generally know nothing), but Apple's display release history made me think they'd know what they were on about.

The second Apple announced their Thunderbolt-equiped Macs at the beginning of the year this was inevitable. Of COURSE they're going to do a Thunderbolt-enabled monitor.

So if you bought AFTER the Thunderbolt announcement, then you and the "rep" are... well... idiots.

If you bought BEFORE the Thunderbolt announcement, then you're partially excused, and I don't see how some Apple "rep" is supposed to know what Apple has cooking away, hidden in the lab.

Why only partially? Because it's been known for a while that Apple and Intel were working on Thunderbolt. We've even seen patents. Change was coming.
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Will Thunderbolt PCI-X cards be available for my MacPro?

No. Thunderbolt graphics cards should, however.

Thunderbolt cannot be sold without the graphics aspect of it. No cards full of data-only ports will be sold.

Also, it's PCIe. PCI-X is trash and wasn't ever widely used.

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If you do not upgrade your computer (laptop) and display at the same time, Apple can make it impossible for you to get an Apple display.
Three years ago, I was in the market for a 24" display but had a 2006 MBP (with DVI). Apple only offered a mDP display at that time (and no DVI to mDP were available).
Today, if I were in a market for a display, my 2009 MBP (with mDP) would not work with Apple's current TB display:
"System Requirements: Thunderbolt-enabled Mac computer, including MacBook Air, MacBook Pro, Mac mini, and iMac"
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Maybe I'm slow these last couple days but I'm still trying to figure out the advantages of Thunderbolt. I've currently got my MacBook Pro hooked up to a 24" Cinema Display and it works just fine. Even if my MBP supported Thunderbolt, what would that do for me? The only signal I need going between my monitor and my computer is the video signal and the mini display port does that just fine. So what's the big deal?

Hub.

If you have Ethernet, you can keep it plugged into your display when you unplug your MBP, ditto for any USB or FW (storage, sync cables).
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Apple. Which is why I'm right.



I don't understand what the second part of this means.



Of course.



They already exist. Because all third-party displays require an adapter to get to Mini DisplayPort, anyway.

Did your current cinema display work with the current computer system you have?
I certainly hope it did.

Does the fact that Apple offering a new model change the way your current setup works in any way?
I don't see how it could.

Would any new Mac computer still work with your existing cinema display?
No reason why not.

Why are you so worked up about this new monitor then?
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Chatted with a guy that had a 60GB iPhoto library that took an hour to transfer via Firewire from one Mac to another.

He upgraded to a Thunderbolt machine but then decided to exchange for another Thunderbolt enabled model. The TB to TB connection transferred that same library in 20 minutes.

So beyond the incredible speed TB should allow for some nice flexibility.

I see. If I were to get a new MBP or Air with Thunderbolt, would by older Cinema Display with mini display port still work? i.e., is it backwards compatable?

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