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Further emphasizing the Mac App Store as the preferred place to get new software for Mac OS X, Apple on Wednesday discontinued a slew of boxed software products.

Virtually all of Apple's retail software was declared "end of life" on Wednesday in a notification sent to resellers. Products that will no longer be available in a boxed form include 'iWork '09, Aperture 3, iLife '11, Apple Remote Desktop, and various Jam Packs for GarageBand.

Earlier this year, it was revealed that the launch of the Mac App Store had hastened Apple's plans to cease the sale of boxed software in the company's retail stores. It was said that boxed software takes up a large amount of shelf space in the company's retail stores, and software is less profitable than devices like the iPhone or iPad.

Apple also moved this year to drastically reduce the number of games made available at its stores, whittling the number down from 32 to 8. Customers are instead advised that they can download titles for Mac OS X from the Mac App Store.

Apple also cut some products from its stores to clear shelf space, including printers and scanners. But unlike the software, which has been removed completely, the hardware options are available for sale if a customer requests them.

The full list of applications declared "end of life" by Apple on Wednesday to resellers is included below:

MC171 Apple Remote Desktop 3.3 10 Managed Systems
MC172 Apple Remote Desktop 3.3 Unlimited Managed Systems
D4222 Xsan 2 VL 10+
D4223 Xsan 2 VL 10+ EDU INST
MC186 Xsan 2 Single License
MC189 Xsan 2 Media Set
D2977 Xsan 2 MAINT 36 MOS SINGLE
D3132 Xsan 2 MAINT 36 MOS SINGLE EDU INST
D2966 Xsan 2 MAINT 36 MOS 10+
D3133 Xsan 2 MAINT 36 MOS 10+ EDU INST
MB957 Aperture 3 Retail
MC455 Aperture 3 ZU Retail
MB959 Aperture 3 Upgrade
MC456 Aperture 3 ZU Upgrade
D4855 APERTURE 3 TRIAL ACTIV KEY RETAIL
D4857 APERTURE 3 TRIAL UPGRADE ACTIV KEY
MC623 iLife '11 Retail
MC625 iLife '11 Family Pack
MA371 Jam Pack : Remix Tools Retail
MA374 Jam Pack : Remix Tools Media Set
D3057 Jam Pack : Remix Tools VL 10-99 EDU
D3059 Jam Pack : Remix Tools VL 100-999 EDU
D3061 Jam Pack : Remix Tools VL 1000+ EDU
MA375 Jam Pack : Rhythm Section Retail
MA378 Jam Pack : Rhythm Section Media Set
D3063 Jam Pack : Rhythm Section VL 10-99 EDU
D3065 Jam Pack : Rhythm Section VL 100-999 EDU
D3067 Jam Pack : Rhythm Section VL 1000+ EDU
MA319 Jam Pack : Symphony Orchestra Retail
MA322 Jam Pack : Symphony Media Set
D3264 Jam Pack : Symphony Orchestra VL 10-99 EDU
D3265 Jam Pack : Symphony Orchestra VL 100-999 EDU
D3266 Jam Pack : Symphony Orchestra VL 1000+ EDU
MA211 Jam Pack : World Music Retail
D3545 Jam Pack : World Music VL 10-99 EDU
D3546 Jam Pack : World Music VL 100-999 EDU
D3547 Jam Pack : World Music VL 1000+ EDU
MA214 Jam Pack : World Music Media Set
MA990 Jam Pack : Voices
D4180 Jam Pack : Voices VL 10-99 EDU
D4181 Jam Pack : Voices VL 100-999 EDU
D4182 Jam Pack : Voices VL 1000+ EDU
MA993 Jam Pack : Voices Media Set
MB942 iWork '09 Retail
MB943 iWork '09 Family Pack
D4831 iWork '09 Retail Activation Key
D4898 iWork '09 Family Pack Activation Key
post #2 of 57
So to buy Logic Studio 2 right now, the only place on the planet to buy it would be store.apple.com.

Or a reseller, I guess.

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Not a fan. I know it's the 'way of the future' but we are too reliant on the internet and this software distribution model. I prefer to have the software on a format that is unlikely to fail.
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This could be significant if others follow, reducing the environmental footprint of the software industry.

The last two items on the list end with "Activation Key". Were they selling boxes with nothing more than activation keys?
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Not a fan. I know it's the 'way of the future' but we are too reliant on the internet and this software distribution model. I prefer to have the software on a format that is unlikely to fail.

CD's fail more often than the Internet.
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Not a fan. I know it's the 'way of the future' but we are too reliant on the internet and this software distribution model. I prefer to have the software on a format that is unlikely to fail.

So download it and then put it on NAND, optical disc, HDD, magnetic tape, or stone tablets as a series of 1's and 0's.
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How is one supposed to buy Jam Packs now? Are they available on the App Store?
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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post

CD's fail more often than the Internet.

I have plenty of install CDs that are still good. One uses a CD install disk maybe once and it gets put away. Why would they fail?

Meanwhile, I have a client moving into a new facility of 50,000 square feet outside of Petaluma, CA. All they can get is a T1 line at 3Mbps. The Internet availability is pathetic in this country. Give me a disk. I can't wait days to download and install Lion on five Macs.
post #9 of 57
Oh boy, Apple's starting to move away from the optical drive now. And it looks like they've got a half decent means of doing it for most customers. Can't say I'll really miss them, though I'll want to keep some kind of option around on a computer for ripping music.
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How is one supposed to buy Jam Packs now? Are they available on the App Store?

Not at this time. Also, the link in Garageband » Learn about Jam Packs links to http://www.apple.com/ilife/garageband/jam-packs.html but is now a dead page on Apple's site. Makes me think Jam Packs are going away or there is an update to Garageband that will put Jam Packs within the app much like Lesson Store.
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This could be significant if others follow, reducing the environmental footprint of the software industry.

The last two items on the list end with "Activation Key". Were they selling boxes with nothing more than activation keys?


YES, when you could buy MobileME, it was a box with an activation code inside and nothing more. I have one still at home.
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So I wonder if apps purchased on disk from Apple will soon be recognized for updates by the Apps store. Currently they are not, only those bought from the apps store are.
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I have plenty of install CDs that are still good. One uses a CD install disk maybe once and it gets put away. Why would they fail?

Meanwhile, I have a client moving into a new facility of 50,000 square feet outside of Petaluma, CA. All they can get is a T1 line at 3Mbps. The Internet availability is pathetic in this country. Give me a disk. I can't wait days to download and install Lion on five Macs.

1) Technically 3Mbps is two DS-1(T1 lines) and is slightly over 3Mbps. This is a solid connection and the not the shared, burst connections of consumer DSL, cable, or cellular.

2) Lion is 3.6 gigabytes which is 29491.20 megabits. Divide that by 3 equals 9,830.40 seconds; divide that by 60 equals 163.84 minutes; divide that by 60 equals is under 3 hours.

3) Now that you have the file you can follow any one of the many simple instructions to create a bootable installer.
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Retail stores have had 2 options for an office suite. Microsoft Office, or iWork. While iWork can be purchased from the App store, when a sales person is selling a machine, they are likely going to recommend an office suite for you. Your boxed choices, that the sales rep could make money on, were iWork or Office. Now, the only choice they have to push is Office. Once someone buys Office, they have little incentive to shell out extra cash at the app store for iWork pieces. This is a likely step backwards for adoption of the Apple software, even if only by a few points.
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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post

CD's fail more often than the Internet.

But it is much easier to replace a CD than the internet. Plus, after you use the CD, put it in a sleeve and file it safely away. How is the disc going to fail exactly?
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Not a fan. I know it's the 'way of the future' but we are too reliant on the internet and this software distribution model. I prefer to have the software on a format that is unlikely to fail.

I thought the same when music downloads first came along - absolutely hated the idea of not owning something physical.

Once I got over that, it's given me no problems at all. In practice, my music is much safer now than it was, in that I have it on the hard drive of my Mac, and the Time Machine drive, whereas I only used to have one copy of a very damageable CD.

The thing I will miss is mindless browsing of the shelves in a software shop, but I'll get over that as well.
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But it is much easier to replace a CD than the internet.

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But it is much easier to replace a CD than the internet. Plus, after you use the CD, put it in a sleeve and file it safely away. How is the disc going to fail exactly?

If it's a burned disc instead of a stamped retail disc, the dye degrades over time making it unreadable. All discs of course have their usual failure points: scratches, unreadable sectors, laser error, etc...
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But it is much easier to replace a CD than the internet. Plus, after you use the CD, put it in a sleeve and file it safely away. How is the disc going to fail exactly?

Well, considering you can redownload apps bought on the MAS, short of Apple going out of business, I don't see how your filing away a CD (which still degrades, even when filed away) is safer than redownloading from Apple's servers.
post #20 of 57
I guess it's a function of lower sale price and square footage but surprising that software has lower margins than hardware. Software always strikes me as a 90% margin business.
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You guys didn't post the full info, and I don't think you're interpreting it right.

The full email from Apple didn't say it was discontinuing the boxed versions, just no longer stocking them in brick and mortar stores. They specifically said that the software is still available at the Apple ONLINE Store. Not the app store, the online store which is store.apple.com. And sure enough, all the boxed software like SL and iWork is still available there - you can still buy them, you just need to order online and have the boxes mailed to you.

They also specifically mentioned Logic, it will still be sold in boxes in apple stores and other resellers.
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I always buy downloadable software when I can anyway. Cut down on paper and waste. Save The Trees and Keep Plastics Out Of Landfills.
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I always buy downloadable software when I can anyway. Cut down on paper and waste. Save The Trees and Keep Plastics Out Of Landfills.

Those on PowerPC architecture have fewer means to purchase software as they have no access to the MAS. It's a strike against software companies moving to MAS-only distribution as they will lose all those legacy customers. They already can't sell you iOS apps without going through the App store.
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Those on PowerPC architecture have fewer means to purchase software as they have no access to the MAS. It's a strike against software companies moving to MAS-only distribution as they will lose all those legacy customers. .

"all those legacy customers" = "dwinding few". The last PowerPC Macs were retired nearly five years ago. The average lifespan of a PC is three years. You do the math.
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You can still buy the boxed versions from the online store. I hope that continues. Not everyone has broadband internet.
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I have plenty of install CDs that are still good. One uses a CD install disk maybe once and it gets put away. Why would they fail?

Meanwhile, I have a client moving into a new facility of 50,000 square feet outside of Petaluma, CA. All they can get is a T1 line at 3Mbps. The Internet availability is pathetic in this country. Give me a disk. I can't wait days to download and install Lion on five Macs.


Beyond thinking they did not try very hard, that is more then adequate to download a 3.6gb file in a reasonable amount of time.
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I have plenty of install CDs that are still good. One uses a CD install disk maybe once and it gets put away. Why would they fail?

Meanwhile, I have a client moving into a new facility of 50,000 square feet outside of Petaluma, CA. All they can get is a T1 line at 3Mbps. The Internet availability is pathetic in this country. Give me a disk. I can't wait days to download and install Lion on five Macs.

So you can't set up either disc images or machine images on a bootable HD to do these installs? I watched last night as a team of people at the local Apple store walked around with HDs installing Lion on the desktops and laptops. For that matter, you have Apple Remote as well. Are you a problems provider or a solutions provider for your clients?
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At least Apple is still selling the hard copy online if you want it (didn't pull a FCS and shred everything before people could get the last ones they might want) - but the handwriting (Mac Mini doesn't have internal DVD option now) is on the wall.

If you like physical media you better get everything you want from Apple (online or resellers or eBay) sooner (who knows how long they'll be reselling physical) rather than later because the hard copy will go away from online at some point here.
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But it is much easier to replace a CD than the internet. Plus, after you use the CD, put it in a sleeve and file it safely away. How is the disc going to fail exactly?

In which case your CDs warp and ripple and the internet doesn't care......
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At least Apple is still selling the hard copy online if you want it (didn't pull a FCS and shred everything before people could get the last ones they might want) - but the handwriting (Mac Mini doesn't have internal DVD option now) is on the wall.

If you like physical media you better get everything you want from Apple (online or resellers or eBay) sooner (who knows how long they'll be reselling physical) rather than later because the hard copy will go away from online at some point here.

Which is fine if you are saving the current version, but meaningless for future versions
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So you can't set up either disc images or machine images on a bootable HD to do these installs? I watched last night as a team of people at the local Apple store walked around with HDs installing Lion on the desktops and laptops. For that matter, you have Apple Remote as well. Are you a problems provider or a solutions provider for your clients?

So you're giving me permission to bootleg Lion for all my customers? Thanks!
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I have plenty of install CDs that are still good. One uses a CD install disk maybe once and it gets put away. Why would they fail?

Look up "bit rot" in regard to optical media.

You don't even have to use it, the optical disc can degrade over time, even if stored in a cool, dark place. And the older your CD/DVD, the more likely it has begun to degrade, depending on the type of dye used, etc.
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Look up "bit rot" in regard to optical media.

You don't even have to use it, the optical disc can degrade over time, even if stored in a cool, dark place. And the older your CD/DVD, the more likely it has begun to degrade, depending on the type of dye used, etc.

Are you referring to a pressed or a burned disc? Burned discs such as writable and re-writable can suffer some terrible life expectancies. Whenever I bust out my burned ISO discs, I don't even expect the disc to work anymore.
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"all those legacy customers" = "dwinding few". The last PowerPC Macs were retired nearly five years ago. The average lifespan of a PC is three years. You do the math.

People don't appreciate software out-dating their hardware, especially those that don't wish to upgrade (eg. Seniors). The "dwindling few" get created everytime that happens, and I think Apple thinks three years is being generous. If you bought the last PowerPC, SL left you in the dust. now Lion is leaving Leopard in the dust. In PC world, you could still run stuff, it would just be slower, but Apple moves much faster. If they move too fast, they essentially need to rewin their customers every 3 years. "Switch to PC" campaigns would probably work as easily as "Switch to Mac".
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Wouldn't it be nice if the apple stores just threw them all in a 50% off bin to get rid of them? :-)
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CD's fail more often than the Internet.

Rubbish. If you take care of a pressed CD they will last a lifetime, but the Internet is reliant on so many external factors, and in the cases of some countries, a single cable linking you to the outside world...
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Those on PowerPC architecture have fewer means to purchase software as they have no access to the MAS. It's a strike against software companies moving to MAS-only distribution as they will lose all those legacy customers. They already can't sell you iOS apps without going through the App store.

Yeah but if you are on a PowerPC Mac the majority of new software isn't going to work on your computer anyway.

Also, unlike iOS, nothing is preventing companies from selling software online or offline outside of the Mac App Store.

I realize that PowerPC macs are still perfectly good but really they've been discontinued for 5 years now and OS support has been gone for a few as well.
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Rubbish. If you take care of a pressed CD they will last a lifetime, but the Internet is reliant on so many external factors, and in the cases of some countries, a single cable linking you to the outside world...

If it's that big of a deal get the USB stick edition of Lion then.

I have no DVD drive on my desktop because they are slower, bigger, and less reliable and spacious than my USB flash drives. I installed Windows 7 via a USB stick even. My USB drive is scratched to all hell and of course it still works!

It wasn't mentioned if Apple was discontinuing disc software in foreign countries (hint: they are probably not!). In the US it is literally impossible to disconnect the internet because there are so many connections (I read that even the government couldn't do it if they tried)

As another article describes, all you have to do is buy Lion, download it, and quit the install before it starts. Then you can just copy the installer from the Applications folder and do whatever you want with it.
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But it is much easier to replace a CD than the internet.
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I always buy downloadable software when I can anyway. Cut down on paper and waste. Save The Trees and Keep Plastics Out Of Landfills.

You mean you can buy downloadable software from other companies besides Apple?
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