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Briefly: Adobe notes Lion-related 'known issues'; Samsung and iPad 2; B2B volume apps

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On the heels of Apple's release of Mac OS X 10.7 Lion, Adobe has published a list of "known issues" with its products on the upgrade. Also, Samsung appears to have taken over for LG in supplying the display driver for the iPad 2. Finally, Apple has officially launched its Business Volume Purchase Program for the App Store.

Adobe and Lion

As noted by TUAW, Adobe posted a Knowledge Base article on Wednesday providing information on which of its products are affected by Mac OS X 10.7 Lion. Apple released Lion on the Mac App Store early Wednesday.

The support article addresses several adjustments across all products, such as the fact that Apple has hidden the user Library folder and now requires manual installation of Java in Lion. In addition, Lion compatibility issues for key offerings from Adobe, such as Acrobat, Flash, Illustrator, Lightroom, Photoshop and Premiere Pro, are listed.

Adobe Flash in particular appears to be having trouble with Apple's latest OS update. "Flash Player may cause higher CPU activity when playing a YouTube video," the article read, suggesting that the issue was "possibly related to disabled hardware acceleration."

Update: Adobe has issued an update to the article, noting that "the final release of Mac OS X Lion (10.7) provides the same support for Flash hardware video acceleration as Mac OS X Snow Leopard (10.6)." The suggestion that video hardware acceleration was disabled in Lion had incorrect ly been based on tests "with a pre-release version of Mac OS X Lion that related to only one particular Mac GPU configuration." The company reiterated that it continues "to work closely with Apple to provide Flash Player users with a high quality experience on Mac computers."

"The Flash Player settings dialog does not respond to mouse clicks. If you find yourself in this state, you can use the "tab" key to change the focus to the "Close" button and use the spacebar to close the dialog. While not all settings are available, you can also use the Flash Player native control panel located in System Preferences," the document continued.

The company also revealed that it is looking into adding new Lion features such as Autosave, Restore, Versioning, Full Screen Mode and additional multi-touch gestures to its offerings. "Since many of these features require new code in order to work properly, Adobe will investigate which ones make sense to our customers for inclusion in future versions of our products," the article read.

Adobe has been slower to adopt new features from Apple. For instance, the company released its first product on the Mac App Store on Tuesday, more than six months after the store opened. The two companies have a complicated relationship, as Mac users purchase roughly half of Adobe's Creative Suite products, while the two also compete in a range of markets.

Last year, Apple CEO Steve Jobs published an open letter criticizing Flash and defending the company's decision to not add support for the technology in the iPad. Adobe CEO Shantanu Narayen fired back by calling Jobs' claims "patently false" and a "smokescreen."

In June, Narayen said the two companies are "done having the argument" over Flash.

Samsung and iPad 2

Even as reports have emerged that Samsung may be losing some of Apple's semiconductor orders because of a heated legal disagreement, new teardowns have revealed that Apple is now using a Samsung Wise-View display driver chip instead of the LG chip that has been used since the original iPad.

iFixit reported that "Chipworks' latest batch of iPad 2s" contained the new chip, although it's not clear whether all new units of the device have it. The driver apparently has "changed significantly," but the reasons for the change are unknown.

Credit: Chipworks

Apple filed a complaint against Samsung in April, accusing the South Korean electronics giant of copying the look and feel of the iPhone and iPad. The two have since traded several shots (1, 2) via federal courts and the U.S. International Trade Commission.

It has become very public and very ugly, very quickly, Gleacher & Co. analyst Brian Marshall has said. Theyre just going after each others throats.

Business Volume Purchasing

Apple announced on Wednesday that its Volume Purchase Program for Business is now available. The company first teased the program, which provides businesses with a streamlined method of purchasing apps in volume, last week.

Businesses interested in enrolling in the program will need a D-U-N-S number from Dun & Bradstreet, as well as contact information and a valid business address for the company. Currently, only U.S.-based businesses are eligible for the Volume Purchase Program.



One highlight of the program is a new service that allows developers to sell custom "B2B apps" to business customers. Though the apps will still be subject to the same review guidelines and process as apps bound for the App Store, once B2B apps are approved, developers can privately sell them directly to Volume Purchase Program members.

The Cupertino, Calif., company has seen quick adoption of its iOS devices among the enterprise. Apple revealed on Tuesday that 91 percent of Fortune 500 are using or testing the iPhone as a primary device, while 86 percent of Fortune 500 are deploying or testing the iPad.
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Well good for Adobe. Instead of ignoring the problems for 6 months they are acknowledging them ahead of time like Lion didn't' exist before today.

I feel so sorry for Adobe developers. Are there any windows in the office?
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What the heck Adobe... why is Adobe so incredibly dysfunctional... Are they not allowed in Apple's developer program? or can they not stomach the $100/year...

Nearly ever other piece of commercial software I use on a daily basis was updated a MONTH ago in anticipation of Lion... heck nearly all the non-commercial software I use daily was updated even before that.

$2000 for CS 5.5 MC and they can't even prepare ahead of time for an OS upgrade? not even a little bit? NOT ONE FREAKING UPDATE OR BUG FIX FROM ADOBE for lion... not one...
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I stopped giving up my money to Adobe and instead have been giving it to pixelmator because adobe stays loosing. Late upgrades and crap like that....no thanks. IF they are going to treat mac users like second rate citizens then I don't have to spend 700+ dollars on their overpriced software...and to think I was actually considering buying photoshop again.
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What the heck Adobe... why is Adobe so incredibly dysfunctional... Are they not allowed in Apple's developer program? or can they not stomach the $100/year...

Nearly ever other piece of commercial software I use on a daily basis was updated a MONTH ago in anticipation of Lion... heck nearly all the non-commercial software I use daily was updated even before that.

$2000 for CS 5.5 MC and they can't even prepare ahead of time for an OS upgrade? not even a little bit? NOT ONE FREAKING UPDATE OR BUG FIX FROM ADOBE for lion... not one...

What other software are you talking about?
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Seems like Photoshop is on the list cause it still has some PPC code in there.
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Ironically Flash Player 11 Beta runs awesomely.
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Will Office for Mac be updated to feature Lion's auto-save, resume and full-screen options in the near future? And other third-party apps... Thoughts?
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Will Office for Mac be updated to feature Lion's auto-save, resume and full-screen options in the near future? And other third-party apps... Thoughts?

Yes... if by near future you mean five years from now.
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Yes... if by near future you mean five years from now.

Really? I thought they'd just send out a free update... That sucks. I guess I can still hope...

If a new iWork comes out in the Fall then I'll probably jump ship.
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So Apple make a host of changes which negatively affect the way Adobe products work and it is Adobe's fault?

People's attitude to Adobe are so funny. Lord Steve calls them evil and all the peasants dutifully grab their pitch forks, tar, feathers and rope and set of en masse to attack them.

I remember back in the '90 when Apple was in serious danger of going under, Apple was deeply concerned for Adobe to continue to making software that ran on Macs and bent over backwards to keep them happy.
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I was happy when I was able to fire up Lightroom 3 immediately after the upgrade, fix up some new photos and mail them out.

As far as I can tell Lion didn't break any of my software / hardware.

I do hope that Adobe adds proper fullscreen support for Lightroom. Lightroom has always supported a fullscreen mode of it's own (and still does on Lion) but it doesn't integrate properly with Mission Control as a full-screened app. Hopefully that will change!

While we're talking about it I will note that Lightroom seems to be running better on Lion. Specifically, the multithreaded part of LR seems to be able to take better advantage of my cores. When processing a large number of photos LR is using close to 400% CPU on my quad-core i5 iMac. In 10.6 it would always hover just over 300%. It seems like there might be some multothreaded efficiency gains with Lion...
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So Apple make a host of changes which negatively affect the way Adobe products work and it is Adobe's fault?

People's attitude to Adobe are so funny. Lord Steve calls them evil and all the peasants dutifully grab their pitch forks, tar, feathers and rope and set of en masse to attack them.

I remember back in the '90 when Apple was in serious danger of going under, Apple was deeply concerned for Adobe to continue to making software that ran on Macs and bent over backwards to keep them happy.

So, the pride and stagnation of Adobe ever since "the '90" is Apple's fault? lol.

Whether or not Apple "needed" Adobe in 1990 is not the point... whatever marketshare Macs had or now have, Adobe has historically made more than 50% of its revenues from Apple users (at the beginning it was much higher, and in fact Apple "made" Adobe at least as much as Adobe helped Apple out).

Simple question: how much time and effort does Adobe take on its Mac development? Very little by all accounts. By all accounts, their Mac development has long taken a back seat to Windows development, and the UI, etc. have increasingly reflected Windows UI conventions (and the chaos that comes with that).

That's Adobe's decision. But does Apple have to cater to them and hold back the forward progress of its own technologies on Adobe's account? When other developers are perfectly capable of using the APIs published months ago?

I have CS1, and have not gotten anything from Adobe since. I will not buy anything else. I love Pixelmator even if it doesn't do absolutely everything PS does. Pixelmator had like a million downloads the weekend it went on the App Store. That should tell you and Adobe something.

I am going to install Lion today. If CS1 doesn't work, heigh-ho, no great loss. I may keep Snow Leopard around on my secondary Mac for a little while longer just for kicks. But if I really like Lion half as much as I think I will, goodbye apps that can't keep up.
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That would be the part where they had the same heads-up about using Xcode, ignored it, and got caught flat-footed for a year unable to compile for Intel.

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Originally Posted by cnocbui View Post

So Apple make a host of changes which negatively affect the way Adobe products work and it is Adobe's fault?

People's attitude to Adobe are so funny. Lord Steve calls them evil and all the peasants dutifully grab their pitch forks, tar, feathers and rope and set of en masse to attack them.

I remember back in the '90 when Apple was in serious danger of going under, Apple was deeply concerned for Adobe to continue to making software that ran on Macs and bent over backwards to keep them happy.
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Did a clean install and I won't install Flash Player until there is a stable version and I start to miss it. Haven't hit a site yet that absolutely needed it (Youtube works, Vimeo works). If I find one that doesn't I will just use a different user agent for now.

I can imagine a lot of people won't notice that it is not installed by now.
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Really? I thought they'd just send out a free update... That sucks. I guess I can still hope...

If a new iWork comes out in the Fall then I'll probably jump ship.

Was a joke.
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Originally Posted by cnocbui View Post

So Apple make a host of changes which negatively affect the way Adobe products work and it is Adobe's fault?

People's attitude to Adobe are so funny. Lord Steve calls them evil and all the peasants dutifully grab their pitch forks, tar, feathers and rope and set of en masse to attack them.

I remember back in the '90 when Apple was in serious danger of going under, Apple was deeply concerned for Adobe to continue to making software that ran on Macs and bent over backwards to keep them happy.

Its really no different in the Windows camp, the OS is updated, developers have months to adapt, test, then the release. I think this is more that they have had months, then release a statement implying that Apple caused all there troubles, instead of releasing actual work.
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Was a joke.

Oh, I get that you were exaggerating... But will it really take Microsoft more than a few weeks?!
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Adobe flash has never worked good on Mac.

Lion has made it worse.
instead of 100% cpu time.
Now I have 150-200% cpu time.

Instead of 1 I7 2.66ghz core occupied by flash
2 cores is occupied by flash.
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Oh, I get that you were exaggerating... But will it really take Microsoft more than a few weeks?!

Probably, considering they've had Lion for over a year.
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Oh, the poor dears! Imagine waking up on Wednesday and finding out that a whole new version of Lion just came out! They must have been so surprised. You'd think that Apple would have a beta program or something so that developers could prepare in advance. We all know how good their crack (quack?) programmers are, producing quality programs that conform to operating-system conventions. They also produce great game software, such as Dreamweaver—press a key and you get to play Where's Waldo with the cursor. They give the user so much choice! They have about six different ways of being non-compliant with the keyboard.

Poor Adobe. Now they have to pick and choose among the standard features of the operating system to figure out which ones they have the time and condescension to support. Their OS-compliant competition is leaving them to eat dust. No wonder Adobe leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

That reminds me. Someone ought to go break the news to Microsoft, too.
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One nice thing Adobe does have a note on is the (admittedly simple) process of installing Java on Lion (via Apple still) for anyone who's interested.

http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/909/cpsid_90908.html
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real-world Mac users enjoy Adobe products and find good value in them.

Well, let's not get carried away...

http://adobegripes.tumblr.com/
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So Apple make a host of changes which negatively affect the way Adobe products work and it is Adobe's fault?...

Yes, it is.

Any software vendor has to constantly update their software, it's part of being in the business at all. It's also "standard procedure" that all operating systems evolve and change over time as well. These are known facts and almost the baseline for what's necessary to succeed in the software business.

Apple, like most platform vendors, gives developers unprecedented access to these changes and ample notice (sometimes years ahead), of the changes ahead. They also help them by providing them with free tools to develop and update their products for their particular operating system.

It is indeed Adobe's responsibility to update their products in a timely fashion for the changes in the underlying operating systems on which they offer their products. It is 100% Adobe's fault if their product isn't ready in time.
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Does anyone know how or if you can remove your login ID from being displayed in the menu bar on Lion? Why would anyone want that? Seriously, you still have to go to the Apple menu to log off, that is my only complaint thus far.

Why would they do that?!?!?!
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Anybody here actually using a current Adobe product that's not behaving under Lion? Just curious. The only problem area listed on Adobe's FAQ page seems to be old PPC generated Droplets not working. Anything SERIOUS going on out there?
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The only problem area listed on Adobe's FAQ page seems to be old PPC generated Droplets not working. Anything SERIOUS going on out there?

Macworld's summary:

http://www.macworld.com/article/1612...7/cs_lion.html
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Pretty slim list of minor incompatibilities. Somehow, I'm not too surprised that Flash problems seem the most serious...

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Macworld's summary:

http://www.macworld.com/article/1612...7/cs_lion.html
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Seems that a number of those "known issues" are in fact really "working as designed" or "we haven't updated our apps yet to take full advantage of the new features in the new OS"

The opposite scrolling for example - that is a change in the default behavior of the OS - which can easily be reversed if you so choose. That is NOT an "known issue" between Adobe products and OS X 10.7
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So you make an excellent point: outside of these fan forums, real-world Mac users enjoy Adobe products and find good value in them.

Where are you getting this silly notion that people buy Photoshop because it is the most enjoyable design program out there? That isnt how it works. The vast majority of my colleagues and design-related friends put up with Photoshop because they have to. Not because they want to.
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Yes, it is.

Any software vendor has to constantly update their software, it's part of being in the business at all. It's also "standard procedure" that all operating systems evolve and change over time as well. These are known facts and almost the baseline for what's necessary to succeed in the software business.

Apple, like most platform vendors, gives developers unprecedented access to these changes and ample notice (sometimes years ahead), of the changes ahead. They also help them by providing them with free tools to develop and update their products for their particular operating system.

It is indeed Adobe's responsibility to update their products in a timely fashion for the changes in the underlying operating systems on which they offer their products. It is 100% Adobe's fault if their product isn't ready in time.

How much advance notice did developers receive for the official Lion release date?
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But of course. In spite of there being so many more richly-featured and affordable alternatives, the uber-evil Adobe clan is stalking graphic designers around the world, holding a gun to their head and demanding that they buy Photoshop.

Obviously you're correct and design firms willingly blow tens of thousands of dollars in order to facetiously complain about the application rather than use 'more richly-featured and affordable alternatives'. There's definitely no infrastructure, support or other related issues at all.

You'd also be kind to note the fact my post wasn't laden with the usual "ADOBE IS THE DEVIL!" rubbish - the wording I used was '[not] the most enjoyable'. I find After Effects to be much more intuitive and that's an Adobe product. So please cut out the strawmanning.
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I won't be updating my OS from SL until all the bugs are fixed. I spend a LOT of time on YouTube.
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Originally Posted by cnocbui View Post

So Apple make a host of changes which negatively affect the way Adobe products work and it is Adobe's fault?

People's attitude to Adobe are so funny. Lord Steve calls them evil and all the peasants dutifully grab their pitch forks, tar, feathers and rope and set of en masse to attack them.

I remember back in the '90 when Apple was in serious danger of going under, Apple was deeply concerned for Adobe to continue to making software that ran on Macs and bent over backwards to keep them happy.

Get your head out of your rectum. The point is that the OS has been available to developers for a long time now and Adobe could have been working on updates that would be available upon release if they had put the necessary resources behind it. And as to your comments about Adobe in the 90's, it is in fact Adobe that was screwing over apple at the time by shifting focus to the inferior and seriously flawed wintel platform after they built their company on Apple's back.
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Please Apple, buy Adobe and gut the pig! Clean out the top management (an oxymoron at adobe), and whip the programers into a frenzy of making adobe products easy to use, and OS X compliant. And at the same time, put windoze development on the back burner. This company is grossly mismanaged.
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I won't be updating my OS from SL until all the bugs are fixed. I spend a LOT of time on YouTube.

Commenting?
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But of course. In spite of there being so many more richly-featured and affordable alternatives, the uber-evil Adobe clan is stalking graphic designers around the world, holding a gun to their head and demanding that they buy Photoshop.

What alternatives approach Photoshop's ecosystem? There's more than a bit of a network effect going on, if you want certain third party plug-ins or effects, or you need good file compatibility from a disparate set of users, whatever alternatives you allude to may not be a real option. For example, when I suggested Pixelmator as a possible option to investigate, someone quickly zinged off ten things Pixelmator doesn't do that's needed for a variety of tasks, and this was from a happy user of Pixelmator that I recall.

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I won't be updating my OS from SL until all the bugs are fixed. I spend a LOT of time on YouTube.

If that's your main problem, you can try to switch on YouTube's HTML 5 mode:

http://www.youtube.com/html5
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