Originally Posted by jimmac
Talk about drive by vacuous comments.
The GOP's posturing is so transparent. They want us to go through this again closer to the election.
After all it's it's all about getting Obama out of the Whitehouse at any cost!
Oh well it's not the first time the Republicans have shot themselves in the foot and their plans have back fired. And this time they have the Teabaggers to thank for it.
Thanks for the votes.
Yes, the GOP is posturing. So is Obama. So is his party. That's what politicians do. As for the Tea Party, they are not shooting anyone in the foot. They are the ones preventing the GOP from shooting itself in the foot. Without that influence, the party would have been negotiating the bill from a much weaker position.
Oh, and one more thing: I think it's time we started calling out people who use the "Teabagger" slur. It's telling that Democrats would use this slur in relation to one of the most celebrated events in American history. The Tea Party is founded on one thing: fiscal conservatism. It's folks like you who have made the movement out to be racist and extremist.
Originally Posted by e1618978
SDW - I really believe that. I think that Japan got in the hole it is in because they spread their stimulus too thin, and got all the debt of a stimulus without the benefits.
Well, your belief is nothing but dogma. Keynesian stimulus does not work...especially long-term. It's a moot point anyway...we don't have 3 trillion to spend.
Socialized medicine reduce costs dramatically - go look at per-capita costs for all of the other industrialized nations, ours is way higher.
And our system is much better. I still don't buy that costs would go down.
Rationing is better than killing all the old people -
That's what rationing is.
the costs of private insurance are growing faster than medicare, and medicare is growing faster than Canada's health plan - plus Canadians live longer than we do. A decade or two from now only millionaires will be able to afford private medical insurance.
You're comparing us to Canada? Surely I don't have to explain how this is a problem?
How would "opt out" help social security? The SS debt would go exponential.
I don't think you are thinking about this as a math problem, your solutions make no sense at all if you do.
No, sir...it is your solutions that make no sense at all. Your solutions are based on proven failure. As for for SS, what I am proposing is not new. The idea has been around for quite some time. SS is a ponzi scheme and would be illegal if done by any entity other than the federal government. Gradual phase-out, partial privatization, etc....they are all possibilities that can be explored. And none of them would hurt people in retirement or anywhere near it.
Originally Posted by MJ1970
In time for what?! First, the date keeps moving...out
. Second, it's not like even if they don't get something done by that date that default is the next step. It simply means that they will not be able to borrow money and will be forced to cut spending. Default is when the US can no longer pay interest on its debt. We're a long, long way from that happening. The interest in around $200B/year. The federal government is bringing in about $2.2T/year. They can pay the interest. They will just have to cut other spending. And they will cut spending on the the least valuable things. Treasury will determine what spending is cut. Which is why Obama is scared because the fact that everything he and the Democrats have claimed is of the utmost importance will be laid bare as being not quite so important.
Exactly. The world will not end. We're not going to default.
Originally Posted by tonton
How do you figure? Please explain this statement. How exactly does Obama stand to benefit from any of this?
to paint the GOP as being unreasonable and out for the rich, which is typical class warfare. It's not working all that well.
Honestly, what Obama should do is to stand up, and address the American people.
Obama should tell the American people that we are being forced into an agreement, with no alternative, that will cost nearly all of us in a very real and obvious way, almost immediately. There will be serious harm done.
You are hilarious. Where the fuck is Obama's plan? Where is the Democrat plan? The House has passed two. It is Obama and the Democratic party that are insisting on fiscally and morally bankrupt policies. Even the Reid plan is nonsense.
Then what he has to say is this...
When this deal is passed, and you find that our problems are not solved, and that your lives have become worse, and the lives of your children have become worse, when some of you can no longer afford the most basic level of nourishment, health care, and shelter, while the rich continue to get richer, you're going to need to do one thing. Get down to the polls and vote these people who pushed for this deal out. Vote them out. Get rid of the people who would have the richest Americans and the richest corporations earning record amounts while the majority of us suffer. And never make this mistake again.
It just keeps getting better! Class warfare. Scare tactics. Meanwhile, Obama gets to bankrupt the country with his policies and blame it on the people that are trying to stop it. Genius.