Originally Posted by tonton
Yes, they do.
We cut taxes for the richest people in America, under the promise that it would lead to increased economic activity, more jobs, and increased revenue.
It didn't work, did it?
Of course it did work. Do you not remember the recession of 2000 and the dot com bubble popping? I guess you don't because unlike qualitative easing, massive stimulus and massive government intervention, it worked.
We were also promised that the cut would be temporary.
It wasn't, was it?
I've never read a promise of a temporary tax cut. The first time it was passed it was limited to 10 years because of the evenly divided Senate and use of the Byrd rule which limits such items to 10 years. After the 10 years were up a Democratic President and a Congressional House and Senate controlled by Democrats extended the tax cuts but also added Obamacare, Frank/Dodd, etc to the regulatory heap.
We started two wars, while Conservatives declared such boners as, "It will pay for itself", and, "Weeks, not months."
When you say we, make sure you include every major Democrat who is not Obama in that we. Then you can add President Obama for getting boners in Libya, and for stepping on the gas in Afghanistan. You can also remember (as you noted before) that I was the guy who before he even took power told you that Pax Americana is not a Republican or Democratic policy and that Obama would do the exact same thing.
I've also noted, and will state again that whenever someone tries to end Pax Americana, the neocons and Democrats gang up on them and declare they are racist.
YOU THINK about which group right now exists in politics that would prefer to save cash, and bring the troops home and you think about what YOU and others have already been labeling them over and over. You ask yourself if a guy like Ron Paul and many others like him support these wars.
Contradictions do not exist. Whenever you think you are facing a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong.
That didn't happen, did it? And geez... the premise presented to Congress to start those wars was either a lie, or a gross miscalculation. Surprise, surprise. Even those of us on this board knew Bush was lying (remember the thread?) How the FUCK couldn't Congress, including the majority of Democrats, have had the wherewithal to question his motives?
Check your premises, there isn't a contradiction. The Congress didn't check the premises because they have the same premises. Big government, centrally planned actions, nation building. If you believe you can do it at home, you believe you can do it abroad.
Get your head out of your ass and realize that the reason we are still in a financial mess is because of conservative policies and efforts, including those of Mr. Conservative Obama.
Get your own head out of your own ass and realize that NEO-con is old liberal. The U.N., the IMF, Korea, Vietnam, crony-capitalism, etc. are Democratic policies and that the RINO's who want to do the same are free to ignore the Libertarians/Tea Party who would reform the process because you buy into labels and caricatures rather than trying some thinking. Turn back on Jon Stewart and watch him make another 10 million making you laugh instead of think.
Unfortunately, in the next election, no Liberal will be in the running.
You find for me a healthy socialist country that, regardless of current credit rating has a sustainable financial and demographic model for the future and you have a point on which to build. If you can't then the solution cannot be that which doesn't exist.