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Apple on Saturday evening tapped developers to begin testing a fifth pre-release version of its iCloud cloud computing service software for the company's new Mac OS X 10.7 Lion operating system alongside the first external beta of Mac OS X 10.7.2.

The move is somewhat unusual given that Apple is requiring developers to install Mac OS X 10.7.2 build 11C26 in order to use iCloud beta 5 but has yet to provide developers with any information of test builds of Mac OS X 10.7.1.

"You must install OS X Lion 10.7.2 in order to use iCloud for OS X Lion beta 5," Apple reportedly told developers. "This pre-release version of OS X Lion is being provided solely for testing iCloud."

As such, people familiar with the release say OS X Lion 10.7.2 does not appear to address any of the outstanding issues or glitches that have surfaced with Wednesday's market release of OS X Lion 10.7. Instead, it's believed that Apple will initiate a separate beta test for Mac OS X 10.7.1 in the coming days or weeks.

Developers who've installed Mac OS X 10.7.2 and iCloud beta 5 note that the software updates Lion's "Mail, Contacts & Calendars" control panel with iCloud management interface that lets users choose which forms of data they'd like synced to the cloud.





The new interface also provides tools for managing storage, backups, and purchasing additional storage, though the latter capability is said to be non-functional at this time.

Apple plans to formally roll out iCloud for both OS X Lion and iOS 5.0 sometime this fall.
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It sucks that iTunes Match will not be available in Europe. And what about non Europian Union countries in Europe?! It is driving me mad. Apple better deal with that soon.
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It sucks that iTunes Match will not be available in Europe. And what about non Europian Union countries in Europe?! It is driving me mad. Apple better deal with that soon.

It's hardly Apple's fault that your labels can't come to an agreement over something so obviously beneficial to them.

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It's hardly Apple's fault that your labels can't come to an agreement over something so obviously beneficial to them.

Well it's not that simple, they almost cetainly spent more time negotiating with the american labels, for obvious reasons of course - the american labels are where most of the money is.
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As such, people familiar with the release say OS X Lion 10.7.2 does not appear to address any of the outstanding issues or glitches that have surfaced with Wednesday's market release of OS X Lion 10.7. Instead, it's believed that Apple will initiate a separate beta test for Mac OS X 10.7.1 in the coming days or weeks.

If iCloud is supposed to launch with iOS 5, which is expected at the usuall media event in early September, that means that 10.7.2 needs to be due in early September too. 10.7.1 presumably needs to come out before 10.7.2 and so should release in August. That means 2 Lion updates in less than a month and a half and a 10.7.1 release in August which hasn't even entered beta test yet. That seems like a really tight schedule.

I'll assume the Lion specific "outstanding issues or glitches" in 10.7.1 will at some point be merged with the iCloud specific changes in 10.7.2 so that 10.7.2 will keep the tradition of cumulative updates. That also means that 10.7.1 needs to be released sufficiently ahead of 10.7.2 so that 10.7.1's final code can be merged and tested with the iCloud changes.
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i'm excited to see that Safari Bookmarks are on the list of syncable data ...
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wha..? .1 is already tested and out?! How bout fix all those small little bugs from .0, then think to fixing the .1 with that .2
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Well I guess I should have tested on a non essential machine first as 10.7.2 has a security 'bug' that prevents me from connecting to my Windows Media Server where my 280GB iTunes Library is at..
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It sucks that iTunes Match will not be available in Europe. And what about non Europian Union countries in Europe?! It is driving me mad. Apple better deal with that soon.

I know it is frustrating for you but Apple has had nothing to do with the incredibly complex issues involved with copyrighted works in Europe. If you want change go after your governments to stand up to the Unions, Associations and big corporations that gave created the copyright mess in Europe.

Mind you it was Europe that gave the world the stupid concept of extending a copyright 75 years beyond a persons death.

You are right to be upset but until you demand a clear up of this mess by the government it will only get worst. There is little Apple can do about it.
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i'm excited to see that Safari Bookmarks are on the list of syncable data ...

This isn't really new.
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So no syncing anytime soon in Europe then?
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I know it is frustrating for you but Apple has had nothing to do with the incredibly complex issues involved with copyrighted works in Europe. If you want change go after your governments to stand up to the Unions, Associations and big corporations that gave created the copyright mess in Europe.

Mind you it was Europe that gave the world the stupid concept of extending a copyright 75 years beyond a persons death.

You are right to be upset but until you demand a clear up of this mess by the government it will only get worst. There is little Apple can do about it.

Link?

Music Copyright law in Europe is actually considerably less content-owner friendly than in the US, but while Apple may play hard-ball on patents it treats content owners with kid-gloves. For example you can look for the 1950s Maria Callas recordings on iTunes UK, but they are mostly not there - in spite of the fact that they're out of copyright (at least they are right now, the recording industry is fighting to change that).

Presumably this is out of deference to EMI.
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Probably 10.7.2 is only enabling iCloud. So, in principle could come out very soon after 10.7.1, which will be about fixing issues.
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Fingers crossed for wake on trackpad motion. Clicking or striking a key is Pre post pc era craziness.
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10.7.2 indeed sounds like it will be there to just "enable" iCloud, much like 10.6.6 enabled access to the Mac App Store.

My guess is Lion shipped in "July" because it was promised in past announcements and any delay would have looked bad. Any known bugs unfixed since the Gold Master have probably had their bugfixes already been rolled into a "10.7.1" update once the "public beta test" (i.e. first adopters who blindly upgrade without researching) is complete.

Look for 10.7.2 to not only enable iCloud but to also address any UI-related complaints (not bugs) about default behaviors.
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Fingers crossed for wake on trackpad motion. Clicking or striking a key is Pre post pc era craziness.

LOL, now you're speaking Steve Jobs' vocabulary.

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So no syncing anytime soon in Europe then?

Syncing is a completely different side issue from the whining going on on this thread about "iTunes match." As soon as iOS 5 is live, all iOS users will get syncing for free. Those in Europe will not get iTunes match, which is a different thing altogether.
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Probably 10.7.2 is only enabling iCloud. So, in principle could come out very soon after 10.7.1, which will be about fixing issues.

Yes. 10.7.1 will be for fixing the video glitches and the wi-fi and the other few bugs or glitches that have turned up since Lion went live.
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Originally Posted by Gordon Werner View Post

i'm excited to see that Safari Bookmarks are on the list of syncable data ...

Not new. A carryover from MobileMe.
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In case it hadn't been mentioned, Lion Previews were showing up as 10.7.1.
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Well it's not that simple, they almost cetainly spent more time negotiating with the american labels, for obvious reasons of course - the american labels are where most of the money is.

Even if your blanket assumption that they spend more time negotiating with American labels is true, why would you be surprised if it were?

Apple, as a US based company, has always started in the US first then moved into other markets over time. It should hardly be surprising at this point!
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Probably 10.7.2 is only enabling iCloud. So, in principle could come out very soon after 10.7.1, which will be about fixing issues.

What people need to realize is tha iCloud wasn't ready to ship with 10.7 so it has been a work in progress for some time. As to 10.7.1 they have been working on a bug fix release well before the golden master. It isn't like they have all of a sudden discovered the bugs and started to fix them.

Of course timing is everything and it wouldn't surprise me to see the whole works rolled into one update. Ideally I cloud would be out before iOS 5 hits the market.
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So no syncing anytime soon in Europe then?

Only lip-syncing. Most notably evident during the Eurovision Song Contest.
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Pre post pc era? There may be a simpler way to express that...
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10.7.2 indeed sounds like it will be there to just "enable" iCloud, much like 10.6.6 enabled access to the Mac App Store.

These are my thoughts also. It will be a bigger update than the App Store Update, but will simply deliver what was not ready for 10.7. Depending upon timing though I could see them wrapping the bug fixes in with the iCloud updates.
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My guess is Lion shipped in "July" because it was promised in past announcements and any delay would have looked bad. Any known bugs unfixed since the Gold Master have probably had their bugfixes already been rolled into a "10.7.1" update once the "public beta test" (i.e. first adopters who blindly upgrade without researching) is complete.

Lion is not a beta release. To the contrary it is probably one of the more solid release to come from Apple in sometime. Does it have bugs - of course it does, all operating systems do. The thing is the vast majority of those bugs are already known to Apple. The reality is they can't wait for perfection to release, because that will never happen, so they release when it is suitably stable. Lion simply gives Apple a base upon which to build from for another two to three years possibly longer.
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Look for 10.7.2 to not only enable iCloud but to also address any UI-related complaints (not bugs) about default behaviors.

there is some quirkiness to be dealt with but user complaints are a funny thing. Fix something for one set of users and you are sure to piss off a few others. User satisfaction is actually a difficult subject in the context of GUIs.
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Look for 10.7.2 to not only enable iCloud but to also address any UI-related complaints (not bugs) about default behaviors.

That would be silly as the new defaults actually make more sense to anybody who is coming to mac from an iPad and anybody who is a long time mac user is quite capable of finding the preferences panel.
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It sucks that iTunes Match will not be available in Europe. And what about non Europian Union countries in Europe?! It is driving me mad. Apple better deal with that soon.

Copyright was left out of the EU legal system at the express demand of France to protect their language from being subsumed by the increasing power of English. They were afraid that in a single market for music, film, television and literature French would disappear. Their fear has become a reality in spite of all their efforts to prevent it.
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Yeah, where's 10.7.1? Forget about .2 until the bugs are fixed and .1 is released.
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Yeah, where's 10.7.1? Forget about .2 until the bugs are fixed and .1 is released.

Look 7.1 is nothing more than a bug fix. It's been stated on numerous sites. 7.2 should bring icloud. Steve wants to make sure icloud can handle the onslaught better than mobile me, and so wants developers to focus on icloud rather than wasting time on some miniscule bugs that can be ironed out without much testing.

BTW where is the TV rumor, I wanna discuss that.

Edit: sounded like I was pissed there. Im pissed about something else.
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Copyright was left out of the EU legal system at the express demand of France to protect their language from being subsumed by the increasing power of English. They were afraid that in a single market for music, film, television and literature French would disappear. Their fear has become a reality in spite of all their efforts to prevent it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyrig...European_Union

Contrary to your bizarre claims EU copyright law is actually mostly harmonized but that's neither here nor there. Historically distribution rights have been granted on a national basis, so existing rights for a work will rest with different publishers in different EU member states. There's no amount of EU regulation going to change that because to change it would imply changing previous contracts.
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Yeah, where's 10.7.1? Forget about .2 until the bugs are fixed and .1 is released.

Please tell me that was sarcasm.
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Pre post pc era? There may be a simpler way to express that...

There is. It's called the PC era aka the dark ages.
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There is. It's called the PC era aka the dark ages.

Just to clarify, that's the age that Apple not only pioneered in 1976 but revolutionized not just once in 1984 but again in 1997, right?

The... dark ages...

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Any known bugs unfixed since the Gold Master have probably had their bugfixes already been rolled into a "10.7.1" update once the "public beta test" (i.e. first adopters who blindly upgrade without researching) is complete.

If there were no first adopters, how would there be anything for us intellectually superior people to research? This is just like the Final Cut Pro X situation where so many Apple defenders were saying "sucks to be you, you should have researched before buying". If nobody bought FCP X, how would anybody have known about all the limitations in the official release? It's not like Apple volunteered this information on their own.
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That would be silly as the new defaults actually make more sense to anybody who is coming to mac from an iPad and anybody who is a long time mac user is quite capable of finding the preferences panel.

Assuming that the features in question can be configured in the preferences at all.
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Probably 10.7.2 is only enabling iCloud.

No "probably" about it.
"Apple reportedly told developers. "This pre-release version of OS X Lion is being provided solely for testing iCloud."
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What??? I'm already running OS X 10.8, Liger...bought it at the Fake Apple Store in Kunming!!

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It sucks that iTunes Match will not be available in Europe. And what about non Europian Union countries in Europe?! It is driving me mad. Apple better deal with that soon.

What about Japan?
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I also think that 10.7 is the most stable release I can remember from Apple. There seem to be no major problems at all.
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I'm running 10.7.2 with iTunes 10.5 beta 2. After I installed 10.7.2 itunes took forever to load. This beta seems a bit slower than 10.7 GM. No bugs so far.. but I'm only 30 minutes in.
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