The pro's and con's of immigration.

With the threat of muslims carrying out terrorists attacks bearing down on Western countries and immigration causing deep felt anger amongst many people, I think it might be worth taking a closer look at the issue.

In light of what's happening in Norway, I sincerely hope I don't offend anyone by posting the following to kick things off, posted on David Duke's website, a figure despised by many for his past and his current extremist views. The point is here to find out the truth and see where people stand-



"Will Beautiful Norway be Snuffed Out?

‘In 2005, 64,000 children were born in Norway of two foreign-born parents, compared to only 13,800 children born to parents of European origin’

By Arthur Kemp

The state-owned Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation (Norsk rikskringkasting AS) or NRK has broken ranks with the rest of the controlled media in Europe and has openly declared an emergency over the Third World origin of sexual assaults in that country.
In a remarkable broadcast last week, NRK reported that “immigrants from Kurdistan and North Africa” are behind most cases of aggravated sexual assault in Norway.
According to the NRK, police figures from Olso reveal that over the past three years, they have investigated a total of 41 cases of rape in that city. All of these assaults, reports NRK, were carried out by “non-western immigrants to Norway.”
According to the Norwegian police, the rapists terrorising the beautiful white women of Oslo are of “a Kurdish or African background” and all have one thing in common, “namely the use of gross violence.”
How about that.
This news follows an earlier report in the leading Norwegian paper Aftenposten, that 33,000 asylum seekers have arrived in Norway without a passport or ID documents since 2005, and that most of them are still in Norway.
According to the Aftenposten, police say there are “several reasons why a large number of asylum seekers dispose of their ID documents.
“One is that many fear that it may be revealed that they have earlier applied for asylum in other countries.”
Who would have thought?
All this reminds me of the section on Norway in my book, The Immigration Invasion: Chapter Six:
Europe under Attack: Denmark, Norway, Sweden and Finland

3. Norway
Norway, with a population of 4.7 million, has long had a liberal immigration and asylum policy, and as a result became home to increasing numbers of immigrants, foreign workers and asylum-seekers from various parts of the world.
In 2006, immigration accounted for more than half of Norway’s population growth. In that year, official statistics from Statistics Norway Bureau (SSB) showed a record 45,800 immigrants arriving in Norway – 30 percent higher than 2005.
At the beginning of 2007, there were 415,300 persons in Norway with an immigrant background (that is, immigrants, or born of immigrant parents), comprising 8.8 percent of the total population.
Official figures claim that 350,000 of these were from a ‘non-Western’ background, including Pakistanis, Iraqis, Somalis and Vietnamese. At least 35,000 Pakistanis were congregated in Oslo, most of whom entered the country legally as workers or through family reunification programmes.
At the beginning of 2005, 32 percent of first-generation immigrants had lived in Norway for less than five years, while 16 percent had lived in Norway for 25 years or more. A high proportion of immigrants from Iraq and Somalia have lived in Norway for less than five years – 57 and 55 percent respectively.
As of January 2005, Norway’s refugee population was more than 107,000, or 2.3 percent of the population of that country. Refugees from Iraq, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Somalia, Iran and Vietnam made up the largest groups."
~ http://www.davidduke.com/general/unp...vive_9578.html

My own view is that if countries can help alleviate the suffering in other countries whilst improving their own then immigration should be increased not decreased.

I like multiculturalism, I love seeing people strive in a new place for a new life and love seeing people who were once from, say Africa, many generations ago become a full part of a country (for me now Scotland) that never had those people.

Often people have lived through brutal and harsh environments before they reach places like Norway, Scotland or the US. Some are bound to be troubled and that's just a fact of life. That we do whatever we can to address that, is the most important thing. Less hate, more respect.

There's no doubt that there's a financial cost involved, but there's no doubt either, that those costs are made up for later, and sometimes sooner rather than later.

It's going back sometime now, but I had a commission to take photos for a charity here in Scotland. Over the cause of about three months I took photos of the public. One of my favorite photos was taken in front of an old castle with a black father and a white mother and between them a sparkling ten year old boy, their son.

I think in both the UK and the US immigrants quickly establish higher rates of business ownership than native born people. They often have a "lets make the most of this" attitude.

The US has an aging population and needs tax revenues, and the same goes for Europe. What better than to have some fresh blood from abroad to help make up those revenues?

Here's some of the pro's-

"Never mind the stimulus vs austerity debate: here’s something that both sides should be able to get behind. It’s a simple legislative fix which increases tax revenues without raising taxes; which increases the demand for housing; which increases the economy’s productive capacity; and which boosts wages for American workers. It’s about as Pareto-optimal as legislation gets. So let’s open the borders, and encourage much more immigration into the US!

The SF Fed’s Giovanni Peri has the latest research on the subject:

Statistical analysis of state-level data shows that immigrants expand the economy’s productive capacity by stimulating investment and promoting specialization. This produces efficiency gains and boosts income per worker. At the same time, evidence is scant that immigrants diminish the employment opportunities of U.S.-born workers.

The effects of immigration on US wages are large, positive, and significant:

Over the long run, a net inflow of immigrants equal to 1% of employment increases income per worker by 0.6% to 0.9%. This implies that total immigration to the United States from 1990 to 2007 was associated with a 6.6% to 9.9% increase in real income per worker. That equals an increase of about $5,100 in the yearly income of the average U.S. worker in constant 2005 dollars. Such a gain equals 20% to 25% of the total real increase in average yearly income per worker registered in the United States between 1990 and 2007."
~ http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmo...x-the-economy/

Got to love that!

Fuck up the lands of others (Indians, Aboriginals) and keep your homeland (white Europe) free of the rascals.

Yeah, you think it's a net benefit in places where whites have stolen foreign land and think it's bad in Europe.

Given immigrants move to cities and towns how relevant is that?

Is he suggesting banning immigrants from heading to places like New York? Of course not, he'll have other reasons, one's he might not wish to speak about here.

I think the info for the immigrants starting businesses in the UK and US at high rates is on my home pc, so I'll dig it up later for you. It's much higher by the way!

I also think, but I'm not 100% sure that the link I just posted is for illegal and legal immigration.

In the meantime I'll post this to dampen your frustrations-

"Immigrants pay more than $90 billion in taxes every year and receive only $5 billion in welfare. Without their contributions to the public treasury, the economy would suffer enormous losses."
~ http://www.aclu.org/immigrants-right...ts-and-economy

You've got to be kidding!

Immigrants add billions of $'s each year on top of what they use in education etc. Look at the studies.

I didn't say specifically "illegal" immigrants.

This whole thing is telling about your views. Even though overall immigragion in the US, including "illegal" add billions extra every year to the governments pockets, you want to try and make out they're hurting America. Bare in mind too that as these immigrants stay longer they build up wealth, therefore can invest in even more job growth, even more money to keep other busimesses afloat. It's really quite shocking how you ignore all of this. Alterior motives...it sure seems like it!

Perhaps this is bothering you-

"America’s population of white children, a majority now, will be in
the minority during this decade, sooner than previously expected, according to a
new report.

The Census Bureau had originally forecast that 2023 would be the tipping point
for the minority population under the age of 18. But rapid growth among Latinos,
Asians and people of more than one race has pushed it earlier, to 2019,
according to William Frey, the senior demographer at the Brookings Institution
who wrote the report about the shift, which has far-reaching political and
policy implications.

The single largest increase was among Hispanics, whose birthrates are far above
those of non-Hispanic whites, largely because the white population is aging and
proportionally has fewer women in their child-bearing years. The median age of
whites is 41, compared with 27 for Hispanics, the report said.

As a result, America’s future will include a far more diverse young population,
and a largely white older generation. The contrast raises important policy
questions. Will the older generation pay for educating a younger generation that
looks less like itself? And while the young population is a potential engine of
growth for the economy, will it be a burden if it does not have access to
adequate education?

The population of white children fell by 4.3 million, or about 10 percent, in
the last decade, while the population of Hispanic and Asian children grew by 5.5
million, or about 38 percent, according to the report, which was based on 2010
Census numbers."
~ http://cdn.mediatakeout.com/users/da...merica-by-2030

I didn't call you a racist.

I'll leave you with this to chew over from a BNP website. I don't think that the 73% are all racist either. There's more to it than that-

"By Stephen Palmer White people will be a minority in the United States by 2050, official US government figures have revealed, closely followed by white Britons, who will be a minority here by 2066.*

Hispanic, black and Asian people accounted for a staggering 90 per cent of all births in the United States from 2000 to 2010, during which time the white population is estimated to have dropped from 69 per cent to 64 per cent.

The figures come a few months after similar statistics were released in Britain by the ONS, which stated that the indigenous British population will fall from 80 per cent to 59 per cent by 2051, and become a minority by 2066. Even more worringly, British schoolchildren will be a minority as soon as 2021.

According to a YouGov survey conducted in December 2010, 73 per cent of people in Britain said they would be unhappy if Britain were to become a majority-non-white nation, while only two per cent said they would be happy about it."
~ http://www.bnp.org.uk/news/whites-be...llowed-britain

I find some of these figures pretty alarming. The fact is that this radically changes the UK in a very short time frame. Whilst that change may happen smoothly, there are plenty of reasons for how it may not.

@e#'s too. No I didn't, though it's telling you think I did.

Concern over dramatic changes in the racial mix of populations doesn't mean to say that those people are racist.

Are you a racist trump because you've got concerns about muslims changing US law, as they gain in numbers in the US?

So, do you want to ban immigrants from moving to New York? I don't think so. It's a bizarre theory that Europe shouldn't have immigration because there isn't space for them, truly absurd.

You're joking right?

It wasn't very long ago you went on about this at great length.

God knows where you posted it and I'm NOT going through your posts to find them.

Segovious put you right though...bizarre frankly you'd even deny it.