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A new unverified report suggests that Apple intends to release its next-generation iPhone between Sept. 6 and Sept. 15 with an initial shipment of 4 million units, while suggesting that component shortages may have delayed the release of the next iPad until after this year's Thanksgiving holiday.

The Chinese-language China Times reports that suppliers indicate an initial test shipment of 400,000 handsets has been sent to Apple ahead of the rumored September launch. According to the report, Apple plans to launch the so-called iPhone 5 during the second week of September, which the publication notes as Sept. 6 to Sept 15.

The report also claimed that the rumored release of a next-generation iPad later this year is experiencing delays because of component issues. As such, sources told the publication that the device is not expected to be released until late November.

Persistent rumors have suggested that Apple will release another iPad later this year. On Tuesday, anonymous industry sources suggested that Apple has added four Taiwanese integrated circuit makers to its supply chain for the iPad 3. One analyst claimed earlier this month that Apple could introduce an "iPad 2 Plus" with a high-resolution display later this year.

In March, the publication claimed the iPhone 5 will sport an improved antenna, 4-inch screen and NFC e-wallet. It should be noted, however, that the China Times has a mixed track record with Apple predictions.

For its part, Apple said last week it is planning a "future product transition" during the current September quarter. Industry watchers have largely presumed that the product in question is the company's fifth-generation iPhone.

According to one report earlier this week, wireless operator AT&T is preparing for a mid-September launch of the next iPhone. Apple Stores in the U.S. and U.K. are also reportedly gearing up for the expected launch by bringing on seasonal staff in August and September.

Apple's next iPhone is expected to be thinner, lighter and include an 8-megapixel camera. The handset will likely debut alongside the release of iOS 5, the next major update to the iPhone maker's mobile operating system.
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It's still unclear to me why there needs to be two iPad launches in a single year. Other than a subpar camera the specs on the iPad 2 are fine IMO and it's the software that needs to mature (iOS 5) rather than another hardware rollout.

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The iPhone 5 data sounds reasonable.


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It's still unclear to me why there needs to be two iPad launches in a single year.

The only plausible reason I can conceive would be Apple acting very aggressive to make sure the iPad is another iPod, not an iPhone, in unit percentage for the market. I have doubts of the iPad 3 but there is precedence for changing up release cycles of the iPhone and they were very vocal (read: aggressive) during the iPad 2 special event regarding their competition.
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I just love how it has now seemingly been taken as fact that we're getting another iPad this year...
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The iPhone 5 data sounds reasonable.

Do you think? The 4million number sounds far too low. It's not even enough to match current demand levels if this is supposed to replace the iP4. Never mind the initial post-launch demand.

I would imagine they'd need more like 10million in place for a launch, maybe more.
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China Times also said the iPhone 5 will have a 2MP front facing camera.
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... Apple said last week it is planning a "future product transition" during the current September quarter. Industry watchers have largely presumed that the product in question is the company's fifth-generation iPhone. ...

Oh come on, you guys aren't even making sense here.

Since when is the new version of a regularly expected product ... a "product transition." If that's a product transition then they need to announce it for every product they produce, every single year that they produce them.

The only time Apple has previously used this "product transition" term, is when they drop a product, create a new product, or merge it into a different product line. It may be they were referring to the dropping of the MacBook and replacing it with the Air, or it may mean something we don't even know yet, but it sure is not the arrival of this year's iPhone.
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I think the iPhone 5 would benefit from having a Facetime HD camera as well since pretty much all new Macs are coming with HD versions of Facetime.

Really hoping to see the Siri integration done right from launch. Dragon Go is pretty interesting but Siri has the potential to be even better.
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Oh come on, you guys aren't even making sense here.

Since when is the new version of a regularly expected product ... a "product transition." If that's a product transition then they need to announce it for every product they produce, every single year that they produce them.

The only time Apple has previously used this "product transition" term, is when they drop a product, create a new product, or merge it into a different product line. It may be they were referring to the dropping of the MacBook and replacing it with the Air, or it may mean something we don't even know yet, but it sure is not the arrival of this year's iPhone.

I think you might be confusing a transition with an introduction. The very definition of transition is a change, as though from one product to another (for example, iPhone 4 to iPhone 5). To introduce an entirely new product line would not fall under the commonly understood meaning of the word "transition".
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How does an unannounced product get pushed back from an unannounced date?
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How does an unannounced product get pushed back from an unannounced date?

With an unannouncement of course.
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Apple never releases new product after September so as not to disrupt holiday sales.
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Since when is the new version of a regularly expected product ... a "product transition." If that's a product transition then they need to announce it for every product they produce, every single year that they produce them.

Sure, but every new iPhone model since the 3G has come with termination of an old model, hence a transition. These aren't just modified versions of previous phones after all, the iP 4 is a completely different beast to the 3GS.
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Apple never releases new product after September so as not to disrupt holiday sales.

Oct 01 - iPod
Oct 04 - iPod Photo
Oct 05 - iPod 5G

I can't think of any November releases, but a late October release is not unprecedented.
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It's still unclear to me why there needs to be two iPad launches in a single year. Other than a subpar camera the specs on the iPad 2 are fine IMO and it's the software that needs to mature (iOS 5) rather than another hardware rollout.

my $.02

I can understand another iPad -- Either (or both) a HD model and an entry model. Apple needs to take control of this market [that it created] while the taking is there.

I am still hoping for an iPad offering to address the OLPC/OTPC One Laptop/Tablet Per Child market.

As for the iPhone... I Have an iP4 and can't think of much it doesn't do well. I will, likely, buy an iP5 but I can't think of a compelling feature lacking in the iP4 (I run the iOS 5 beta). The A5 and more RAM would be overkill, IMO.

Realize, though, this is from someone who uses an iPad for most all his mobile needs.
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The iPhone 5 data sounds reasonable.



The only plausible reason I can conceive would be Apple acting very aggressive to make sure the iPad is another iPod, not an iPhone, in unit percentage for the market. I have doubts of the iPad 3 but there is precedence for changing up release cycles of the iPhone and they were very vocal (read: aggressive) during the iPad 2 special event regarding their competition.

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From PR Perspective... I don't think Apple would release anything Big before 9/11/11... Given that it's the 10th Anniversary of that Horrible Event, I don't think Apple needs that topic to drown out it's Happy New Product Announcement, add the Security Concerns around that date, given that it's the 10th Anniversary... So I really doubt that it would be before 9/12/11, which falls on Monday!

But in general... Worrying about the exact date of a Product Release is a waste of time!!! Sometimes Rumors, or Opinions are just that, or a Spin, stock manipulation, or games that some play in order to get their names into the news!!!

I so respect Apple as a Company! I agree with its Secrecy, and PR Management! Clearly, they have tons of talented people working at Apple, led by smart people, all working under well sculpted Big Visions, Road Map etc... And to put it all together and execute on a Worldwide Scale repeatedly, as they have for for years?! Amazing!!!

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It's still unclear to me why there needs to be two iPad launches in a single year. Other than a subpar camera the specs on the iPad 2 are fine IMO and it's the software that needs to mature (iOS 5) rather than another hardware rollout.

my $.02

There likely won't be. This will end up being the tech version of the gossip stories that this or that rumored celeb couple broke up. The stories are really to cover up that they were never a couple at all, which is why no one could get any proof. By the same token, the tales of delays are probably just to cover up that the rumors were wrong. In November there will be another delay until Spring 2012, right when the iPad was always going to come out.


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From PR Perspective... I don't think Apple would release anything Big before 9/11/11... Given that it's the 10th Anniversary of that Horrible Event, I don't think Apple needs that topic to drown out it's Happy New Product Announcement,

Beware of giving Apple too much credit. After all, this is the company that released the iPad 1 on Easter weekend (woe to all the Christian Apple employees that might have wanted that day off for religious reasons cause they likely didn't get it)
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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post

Oh come on, you guys aren't even making sense here.

Since when is the new version of a regularly expected product ... a "product transition." If that's a product transition then they need to announce it for every product they produce, every single year that they produce them.

The only time Apple has previously used this "product transition" term, is when they drop a product, create a new product, or merge it into a different product line. It may be they were referring to the dropping of the MacBook and replacing it with the Air, or it may mean something we don't even know yet, but it sure is not the arrival of this year's iPhone.

@PP I agree! Product Transition == new product in an existing market or new product in a new market!
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With an unannouncement of course.

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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

@PP I agree! Product Transition == new product in an existing market or new product in a new market!

Except it doesn't seem that's what Apple meant because they implied it would result in reduced revenues, whereas a wholly new product would result in increased revenues.
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"[T]he whole point of grammar is not to adhere to arbitrary rules, but rather to ensure clarity in communication."


Could you explain the meaning of your sig

Let me try, or rather let Winston Churchill on the subject of overly prescriptive grammar


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@PP I agree! Product Transition == new product in an existing market or new product in a new market!

Actually, I think Apple has announced a product transition in every year for the last 4 years, with one of those years also announcing reduced revenues... and each time the product announced was not an absolutely new product... rather, it was a new model of an existing product.
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Beware of giving Apple too much credit. After all, this is the company that released the iPad 1 on Easter weekend (woe to all the Christian Apple employees that might have wanted that day off for religious reasons cause they likely didn't get it)

My guess is that Apple thought like this:

Easter = Spring = Happy People Shopping, Family Time together, maybe they'll go to Apple Store, Sales in the Malls etc... So if some Apple Employees didn't like that, too bad...

But, how can any of us even begin to guess what the actual reasons are???? I just hope that there won't be any scandals to steal away from Apple's Media Efforts! Examples:

During WWDC 2011, as Steve Jobs introduced OS5 and Lion, the US Media was CRAZED about the Weinergate!!! I was so ticked off about that timing, because I would rather have had more people talk about Apple stuff than that Weinergate BS!!! And, even if it wasn't about Apple, how about that Debt Ceiling Crisis, and so many other things that need real attention??? Then the insanity about DSK Arrest, and Anthony Trial in Florida... The US Media went nuts on those things too... Hey, they need Ratings, it's Busine$$!!!

My guess is that there must be lots of folks keeping their fingers crossed at Apple with each Product Release!!! Timing is only one part of it! OS 5, iCloud, Next iPhone - those thing are keeping lots of people at Apple awake at night, working their butts off, and then the Opinions come, where the rest the pundits will be teLling all of us how Apple should have done it, better, differently etc... Same with AAPL predictions!!! Same old Song and a Dance... Life....

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Except it doesn't seem that's what Apple meant because they implied it would result in reduced revenues, whereas a wholly new product would result in increased revenues.

Yes, in the long run, but not necessarily at first.

Say, Apple decided:

1) to own the low end Tablet market with a $199 iPad

2) introduce a $999 40" TV with built-in ATV and 1-year subs to all the major nets -- and a purchase plan that costs 1/2 f your monthly cable bill
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Let me try, or rather let Winston Churchill on the subject of overly prescriptive grammar


'This is the sort of bloody nonsense up with which I will not put.'

Touché!
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post #27 of 56
4 million initial shipments?

That's borderline irresponsible. If true, I hope Apple is hiring extra security.
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

Yes, in the long run, but not necessarily at first.

Say, Apple decided:

1) to own the low end Tablet market with a $199 iPad

2) introduce a $999 40" TV with built-in ATV and 1-year subs to all the major nets -- and a purchase plan that costs 1/2 f your monthly cable bill

Well the latter would definitely increase revenues since it wouldn't reduce any other product sales - it might reduce margins, but it would increase revenues.

The first would reduce revenues perhaps, if it cannibalized the iPad substantially - but it seems unlikely that Apple would make a tablet that cannibalized the iPad substantially. Certainly we don't have any rumours about one.

They have to be doing a major update on a product, resulting in temporary supply disruption, it's the only thing that fits.
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Originally Posted by hmurchison View Post

it's still unclear to me why there needs to be two ipad launches in a single year. Other than a subpar camera the specs on the ipad 2 are fine imo and it's the software that needs to mature (ios 5) rather than another hardware rollout.

My $.02

+1...
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Yes, in the long run, but not necessarily at first.

Say, Apple decided:

1) to own the low end Tablet market with a $199 iPad

That's not going to happen.

Apple made it quite clear during the last earnings call that they are committed to producing the best products. They will not compromise in order to gain market share when they already have the lion's share of industry profits. There will not be any low end iPhone or iPad this year or any year in the foreseeable future.

Moving the iPhone to September makes a lot of sense. It's taking the place of the first blockbuster product, the iPod, now that it's in serious decline. The new ascending product, the iPad, gets the spring.

I do not for a minute believe there will be another iPad release this year. The release of iOS 5 will keep the iPad 2 at the head of the class until next spring.
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The announced "transition" will mostly likely be the screen real estate on their mobile line. Most of the attention will be on iOS5 being shown off on larger displays.

My wild guess is that they will move aggressively in the gaming market with a new 5" iPod Touch. This would compete against Nintendo's WiiU at home with iOS5 Airplay > Apple TV. Also on the go vs the upcoming PSP Vita. Their current resolution is quite flexible:

@480x320

3.5" = 164 DPI

.. vs ..

@960x640

3.5" = 329 DPI

4.0" = 288 DPI

5.0" = 230 DPI

I would love a 5" iPod touch.
The battery life of the current touch is terrible if you have WiFi turned on and run graphically intense apps. A larger touch could get a bigger battery without getting thicker.
The 3.5" screen is really small for aging eyes and there are heck of a lot of baby boomers out there.
A larger touch with a 3G radio would create a whole new category of internet access device: small enough to fit in one hand, but not tied to an expensive voice and data plan. Existing iPad data prices prove that economical plans are possible when the customer pays the full price of the device.
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I work at an at&t customer care center, and our info points to that time frame for the release date. However I will take a picture of the release announcement announcement and email it out to the admins hopefully my transfer to techsupport comes so I can get all the info. When a new iphone comes out we get more ot and it gets hectic so the call centers need some type of warning about the release of the iphone.
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I would love a 5" iPod touch.

5-7inch would seem a nice size for the daily commute, iPad is too big for the underground and iPhone too small for reading/gaming. If they made a 7inch HDD based Touch with 300GB of storage I'd praise Cthulhu but there's really no chance of that.
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5-7inch would seem a nice size for the daily commute, iPad is too big for the underground and iPhone too small for reading/gaming. If they made a 7inch HDD based Touch with 300GB of storage I'd praise Cthulhu but there's really no chance of that.

Apple wil never introduce the iPad in that form factor. Even Steve made a remark on that form factor in one of his keynotes when he mentioned a competitor's product.
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+1 Makes very good sense.
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Sure, but every new iPhone model since the 3G has come with termination of an old model, hence a transition. These aren't just modified versions of previous phones after all, the iP 4 is a completely different beast to the 3GS.

This year will be different.
Both the 3GS and 4 will be replaced by two new models.
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Apple wil never introduce the iPad in that form factor. Even Steve made a remark on that form factor in one of his keynotes when he mentioned a competitor's product.

Apple won't make a 7" iPad but I could see them making a 5" iPod touch.
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

Yes, in the long run, but not necessarily at first.

Say, Apple decided:

1) to own the low end Tablet market with a $199 iPad

They already do. It is called the iPod touch.
post #39 of 56
Can they make a smaller screen iPhone? That's what I'd like.

And I am very eager of course for the new iPad, like most.
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Originally Posted by ezylstra View Post

How does an unannounced product get pushed back from an unannounced date?

Exactly. For pretty much any and all Apple release, every media outlet/blog throws around the words "delayed", "pushed back", "postponed"... but none of those things actually happen. Apple releases something precisely when they plan to release it. (Okay, maybe except the White iPhone 4 :P )
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