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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post

I guess I'm asking for the moon.

What I want is for the writers at AppleInsider to get their own numbers. I think it's kind of sad that a few minor sites like Gruber's are willing to do the (10 minute!), 'back of a napkin' calculation to inform their readers of the actual *platform* share, and AppleInsider doesn't bother. This site used to have some really insightful articles, but now they've gone the route of just posting the figures that are given to them by others.

It's not exactly calculus to figure out what the actual platform share is from the smartphone share and the shipping numbers etc. It's not that hard at all.

Harder than you might think because HTC don't break down WP7/Android. Samsung don't break down WP7/Android/Bada. Moto don't break out their old JVM handsets. S-E do, sort-of, but they're kinda a joke. IDC don't even give us any breakdown on 'Other' unless presumably we buy the commercial reasearch product, so we have to scrabble around through the OEMs earnings reports.

These OEM numbers are the 'hardest' numbers that we have, but they don't give us platform sadly - for that we have to depend on consumer surveys, at least in the realm of publicly available numbers.

What these numbers are useful for, and particularly the raw handset numbers - is gauging how the OEMs' supply is having to shift to meet demand. We can see Apple and to a lesser extent HTC straining to meet demand. We can see Samsung growing steadily. We can see other OEMs slashing margin to try to avoid overcapacity.

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Case in point is yesterday's story about the Xoom sales. There was even a line about "hmmm... these might just be channel sales." They just reported the number given to them yet a simple trip to a couple of other websites and some math will tell you that roughly 75% of the channel sales ended up turning into "real" sales. So the actual sales figure is easy to determine. Why not do the ten minutes work required instead of just repeating newsline stories verbatim?

Indeed - or less, as I commented in that thread I think given your assumptions it would be 50%. Thing is though it's easy to produce those sales figures, they depend on a bunch of other assumptions or data. I wouldn't object if they did the analysis, but I'd like the raw numbers too.

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Being a reporter or a journalist used to mean that you did some research and figured out what you needed to understand, then you report that story (which is "yours" because, you know, you figured it out). Nowadays it seems everyone is just republishing the same crap, direct from the mouths of the distributors, with almost no comment, let alone analysis. There is no ownership of the stories because there are no stories, it's just an echo chamber for the industry.

A news story appears on AppleInsider, BGR, TUAW, Engadget, etc. and within fifteen minutes it's on all of them, albeit using slightly different wording. Sometimes these stories are completely wrong but everyone is so busy trying to be first they don't even notice. Most of these stories are also plants from the sources these groups are supposed to be "reporting" on. The computer companies in question might as well just pay people to print what they tell them to. It would be simpler and it gets the same result we see on most of these sites.

Well they're aggregators, not really reporters. I'm fine with that as it simplifies my data-hounding.
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Whats news worthy is Samsung's HUGE growth in one quarter alone. 520% is ridiculous.

No wonder Apple is worried enough to sue. Just cant take the heat.

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post #45 of 50
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Originally Posted by Galbi View Post

Whats news worthy is Samsung's HUGE growth in one quarter alone. 520% is ridiculous.

No wonder Apple is worried enough to sue. Just cant take the heat.

No - that's not in one quarter alone, that's YoY, and even Samsung acknowledge in their forward projections that it was a function of their low smartphone base and not indicative of tremendous future growth. Oh and most of it came off the huge reduction in their feature phone sales.

Really, I can't remember the last time you said anything that was correct.
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Originally Posted by krabbelen View Post

Whether it is for a market that doesn't need a certain feature is neither here nor there -- that just makes it "smartER" than other devices commonly used in those markets.

You mean like the original iPhone wasn't a smartphone because it couldn't do some basic functions that other smart phones had done for years? Like video, MMS, apps and multitasking.

You are welcome to live in your dream world, but that phone will browse the web, will let you install native apps, has native mail support etc etc etc, it has as much right be called a smartphone as other things being sold.
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Originally Posted by RichL View Post

So the original iPhone wasn't a smartphone then?

What about phones designed for markets without 3G (i.e. China until very recently)? Do none of them count as smartphones?


Original iPhone was released in 2007 and that Nokia "smart" phone 2010.
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Originally Posted by ALUOp View Post

Original iPhone was released in 2007 and that Nokia "smart" phone 2010.

What is your point? Nokia was selling smartphones in 2002, smartphones that you could install 3rd party apps on, multitask etc.
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Apple definitely has some nice statistics going on, and it's amazing how their user base exceedingly grew to become one of the biggest ones in the world right now. I guess the key is that it applies to everyone and almost anybody in any age group can use it (kids to elders). For the Android, it feels like it is limited more to a 'young adult' that struggles to be cool while Nokia releases simple phones for those not proficient enough to use other smartphones while the iPhone finds a nice median between the both of them.
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Whats news worthy is Samsung's HUGE growth in one quarter alone. 520% is ridiculous.

No wonder Apple is worried enough to sue. Just cant take the heat.

Sammy SGS II Plus or Galaxy Q FTW!!
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