Originally Posted by Marvin
Out of the running for what? The mass exodus away from desktop to portable computing?
the desktop is not dead and in industry you need hardware with slots. And no TB is not a solution.
The market isn't there. 70% laptops, 30% desktops, < 5% towers (750k units per year).
Those are Apples numbers but don't represent industry as a whole. In Apples case they don't have the hardware to market to actually generate solid sales. It is extremely difficult to sell All In Ones or slotless PCs to IT departments.
Out of that 5% (if it is even that much), what percentage are installing PCI cards? People who make clusters e.g:
In one installation I know of every PC has cards installed in it's PCI slots. This amounts to hundreds of machines at one installation. The problem is that Apple is totally excluded from such uses because of the lack of an economical computer with slots.
By the way this has nothing to do with clusters. There is a wide variety of uses for those slots. For example: networking cards, additional ports (USB these days), I/O cards, Vision system support cards and a host of other hardware. You never see Apple in these applications because the lack of slots in a reasonably sized and priced machine takes them out of the running.
Now you are way off in left field! You are trying to imply that the only use for those slots is to install infiniband cards yet I've never seen an infiniband card. Very poor argument if you ask me.
The internal storage expansion can be an issue with SSDs like the OCZ IBIS XL:http://semiaccurate.com/2011/03/03/o...-off-4tb-ssds/
but who's really going to be using this (likely over $12,000 device) before Thunderbolt goes optical? Who really cares if SSDs with read/write speeds in excess of 700MB/s become mainstream and SATA is saturated? Isn't 700MB/s fast enough for the next few years?
They simple answer there is no! No 700MB/s will not be fast enough, we have already seen what a SSD can do for a laptop with a puny processor, for a desktop it could potentially do even more. Imagine a desktop consuming video data at 1GB/s.
The reality is this secondary storage has trailed in performance for more than a decade now. It has become the worst bottle neck on a PC, so getting performance back up there will lead to more innovation in software and open desktops up to uses that where previously impractible.
One day not too far into the future, they will have 1TB mini SATA cards that go in the MBA and people will wonder why they have a machine the size of a fridge to put them in.
This is one of the reasons I think now is a good time to transition to the 2.5" format. Yeah it is a problem for people that need lots of storage however various forms of solid state storage will displace magnetic storage in the near future.
The big problem right now is the lack of an industry standard for solid state storage printed circuit cards. Considering we are in a traditional time here it would be nice to have a high speed card standard that can use the same bays as the magnetic 2.5" drives.
It means you can buy a single peripheral and use it with a laptop, Mac Pro, iMac or Mini. It also means you don't have to design your product based on the PCI slot size - you can make them as small or as large as you want. You hit a much large volume of Mac users (20x more) so you can price products cheaper.
The problem is PCI cards are extremely cheap. TB solutions will never be comparably so.
I noticed they only ship with one so It would be $100 - the drives are not $20. If you configure a second drive, they cost $100. Apple reduced the Mini by $100 by taking out the optical. The Mac Pro would also shrink in size so less metal used and less cabling.
RAM, storage and high performance not PCI expansion. The PCI slots mainly are beneficial for GPUs but MXM cards take up much less space and high-end ones are more than half the performance of a high-end full-size GPU.
You keep going around and around with this stuff about PCI slots only being good for x,y & z yet that clearly isn't the case. PCI slots are useful to support any card you can get a driver for.
A 244W GTX 580 (fastest single-GPU desktop card) is only 75% faster than a 100W 6990M (fastest mobile GPU). Just like Intel is going ULV as standard, GPU manufacturers should go MXM as standard.
I'm not a GPU snob, nor do I have demanding OpenCL needs, however isn't the whole point of the Pro to support the needs of demanding users? If you tell such people that they will not be able to run the faster GPU hardware do you think they will stay around as customers?
I look at this way, by the middle of next year there will likely be processors out that suitably support my needs for a GPU right on the chip. I'm thinking Ivy Bridge in Intels case or AMD Fusion APUs with a new CPU core. That is me, it says nothing about the people that leverage GPU cards on a daily basis. Will those people be happy with a MXM card that might give them half the performance they where expecting. I doubt it honestly. The Pro simply isn't directed at the market that is happy with the current integrated GPU solutions nor will they be happy with future solutions.