Originally Posted by hmm
I agree with you that it probably won't happen but mini isn't a good solution if you need a real computer. It's grown somewhat but it's still using laptop parts and the mini server is kind of expensive for what you get (I'd rather go the imac route).
The Mini is a real computer but an extremely limited one. Even simple things like RAM expansion is expensive and time consuming to do.
I think $1999 would still be above all the manufacturers listed. Dell will sell you a workstation with that same W3530 cpu starting at $1079 with a three year warranty. This isn't a perfect match to a mac pro (I don't care for dell workstations for a number of reasons) but it matches the expandability. I actually liked that Apple was maintaining the kind of lean approach to its mac pro line when it replaced the powermacs. It seemed like they were trying to curb manufacturing costs this way and in doing so were able to build pretty competitive machines. Now they just look bleh and overpriced relative to the other macs.
I don't dismiss the Mac Pro for it's price point as it is a very good machine for what it is. My problem is it is far to much machine for what most people need or want on the desktop. When I say that this new model needs to start at $1500 that is assuming a stiff Apple tax. I know that building such hardware isn't a huge issue for around $1200 for other manufactures.
Frankly it would be rather pathetic if Apple couldn't produce a decent desktop for $1500. By the way I'm not talking tower here either, the goal is a compact but serviceable machine.
Let me ask you, how would they market/sell this? To me your idea neuters the product, and turns it into something they already have in the imac.
I don't get this either. Who would buy such a machine?
Second question, why is your opinion that the problems arise from its expandability? Do you think it makes it too expensive to produce? The internals such as power supply, logic board, processor, etc. add up to less than the top imac.
This is not the first time I've heard such things said, it seems to be totally baseless. How is having a machine with economical RAM expansion a problem. Even more so how does a disk drive slot cause a problem. It boggles the mind because these solutions enable Apple hardware for advanced uses.
The processes used to make the mac pro cases are less expensive than the process used to make their laptops. CNC is a really labor intensive/expensive process. They leveraged it by volume.
More importantly Apple is free to design a case that fits the hardware needs of the platform. XMac or whatever you want to call it does not have to look like a HP tower.
I just think you're missing the mark here because the redesign you're asking for renders the machine completely pointless without reducing costs as much as you seem to believe.
It would turn the platform into a piece of junk especially for power users. One of the reasons I support an addition to the Mac line up is that the Pro does have it's niche. It makes far more sense to have a machine that meets the more general needs of the user base in addition to the Mini and Pro.
Frankly I'm pretty much convinced Apple is working with a mindset from 8 years ago when they had far fewer sales and a very narrow customer base. Today sales are wild and interest is growing, they need a product line up that reflects the new reality.