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Originally Posted by lkrupp View Post

Rumor followed by skeptical, sarcastic responses. See above. This reminds me of something... wait a minute... wait a minute... There was this rumor in 2006 about an "i" thing that everybody was laughing at Apple about. Something about a mature, commoditized, cutthroat market that would eat Apple alive? Well, they're not laughing any more are they. And why did Apple remove "Computer" from its corporate name? Let me think about that one again.

Which is why every rumor about a possible Apple product must be true?

The fact that Apple sometimes makes things that people thought they wouldn't doesn't mean thinking they won't make something is evidence that they will.
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post #42 of 140
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OH LOOK IT'S OUT.

It was "inevitable" seven years ago, too.

You knew what I meant dumbass.
What's 'inevitable' is that I will be correct an you will be wrong. Deja Vu
post #43 of 140
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Originally Posted by addabox View Post

Which is why every rumor about a possible Apple product must be true?

The fact that Apple sometimes makes things that people thought they wouldn't doesn't mean thinking they won't make something is evidence that they will.

... some are some, and some are not!
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post #44 of 140
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You knew what I meant...

Of course I did. And I still reject it.

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post #45 of 140
I see so much snarkiness spat about with regard to the ridiculousness surrounding even the mere possibility of Apple offering televisions and most of it is in reference to the utter lack of profit it would generate due to the availability of other screens; highlighting the AppleTV box as far superior.

If such is the case, why produce the iMac? Why not focus all attention on Mac Mini and let all the other companies duke it out over the peripherals?

Apple's schtick is "it just works" right out of the box. They must be thinking their way around the craziness of the absolute fire hazard of hydra-like wire tentacles I have behind my tv stand. Offering it all-in-one just seems the logical Apple answer... they're just biding their time for the perfect solution.
post #46 of 140
Hopefully with Full PiP. After image quality, the most important feature of a TV set for many people is the Full Picture-in-Picture (Full PiP), which requires at least two tuners inside the TV set.
post #47 of 140
OK - throw in FaceTime and iPhone capability and I'll buy two. That and a case of Depends, as I'll never need to leave the couch.

Seriously, if I can answer the phone (or screen calls) with my remote, and have the live presence that Ellen Page kept offering us in those Cisco ads, you have a player. But it better be within a few dollars of the cost of a first-tier 42" 1080 HDTV + ATV. Apple's MO is to add capability at the same(ish) price point.

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Just wanted to give you some inside info about these tv's

They will offer a new IPTV service from Apple. This is what their new data and upcoming data farms are really for.

Apple will make it so easy to watch tv now and in the future.

Buy, unbox, plug into outlet, plug into ethernet and turn on. No more set top boxes!

When you turn on tv, Apple will offer you a new tv experience you will be able to subscribe too. All your favorite channels, on demand movies, live sports and great apps that you can select on a sidebar or overlay live picture.

It will be a game changer in the tv industry.
post #48 of 140
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Originally Posted by dpnorton82 View Post

Apple's schtick is "it just works" right out of the box. They must be thinking their way around the craziness of the absolute fire hazard of hydra-like wire tentacles I have behind my tv stand. Offering it all-in-one just seems the logical Apple answer... they're just biding their time for the perfect solution.

I'm of the belief that Apple thinks they've already solved that problem.

From the outlet in the wall, the power cord connects to the Apple TV. From the Apple TV, the HDMI cable goes to the TV and the optical audio cable goes to whatever audio setup you have. The rest of the cabling isn't considered to be their responsibility, I think, and nothing that Apple could do in the way of hardware expansion beyond the Apple TV could do anything about that.

At least, not until we have wireless power and wireless data transmission for surround sound systems.

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post #49 of 140
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

I can't see Apple offering a large screen TV solution before they can develop a solution to deliver "live TV" to the iPad (maybe using ATV).

It is not a hardware, software or app problem -- rather a logistical problem -- working with or around the cable companies, broadcasters and the content owners.

I don't get this. Do you mean a sort of reverse AirPlay, from ATV to the iPad? What would be the logisitcal problem with that, from the point of view of the Great Providers?
post #50 of 140
it will be a gaming
3d
1080p
hd
great looking
TV

build with samsung



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post #51 of 140
I'd love to see this happen. Problem is:

We all struggled with cable boxes for years.
Then TV makers set their devices to get all cable channels.
Then Cable went to digital.
Then TV makers revamped their devices to see digital.
June 12, 2009 was supposed to be the day of one-wire goodness at last.
Now Comcast (at least - YMMV) has rejiggered their signals so that digital TVs don't get anything but basic.

So we're back to some model of their box for anything except locals, PBS and spanish TV (which I admit I find mesmerizing, especially the telenovelas, though I've forgotten 85% of any Spanish I ever learned). Used to be you paid for the service and except for PPV and premiums, your up to date set got the channels. Now you have to pay the proper rate AND have their box.
So bueno suerte getting Kabletown to let you have their box inside yours, unless there is a revenue stream back to them.

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Appletv was always a "hobby" or experiment, cause Steve does not like set top boxes. The new apple tv will have the current appletv box inside. no need to try to explain to customers what it is, how to use it, how to switch from their cable box to appletv. you may laugh, but many people just don't "get" the apple tv box.

Apple will push the envelope with their new iptv HDTV's. they will also have the ability to access their cable channels if their cable company will cater to them and let them have no box. Apple is going to use this new tv to try to push set top boxes out the door
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it will be a gaming
3d
1080p
hd
great looking
TV

build with samsung

Have to agree about the 3d part, but get ready for some moaning about gimmickry.

edit: . . . and goofy/stupid/ugly glasses . . .
post #53 of 140
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Originally Posted by Flaneur View Post

I don't get this. Do you mean a sort of reverse AirPlay, from ATV to the iPad? What would be the logisitcal problem with that, from the point of view of the Great Providers?

I want to watch local news on my iPad, then switch to a MLS soccer match... then, after that watch "The Two Fat Ladies"...

Meanwhile, the other 4 iPads are each doing their own thing -- some watching NASCAR, The "Nacho Libre Clench", Spongebob, Chopped, Friends... whatever


Edit: Solve "Personal TV" first -- then "Communal TV"
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post #54 of 140
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Apple currently supports its iOS devices for about two years before dropping them from getting iOS updates. An HDTV screen can last for a whole lot longer than that. I'll be damned if I'd pay thousands for a TV that needs to be replaced so soon when I can just buy a dumb screen that will last for many years and then connect a $100 box to that that I can replace in a couple years.

The dumb box also makes it easy to split the signal and send it to two TVs--one in the kitchen and one in the living room. Very useful when cooking and moving back and forth between rooms.

Haha, if Apple didn't do that, the iOS installed base would be fractured like a certain Google OS that shall not be named

No, I predict that an Apple-branded TV would use their minimalist Apple Remote and force everyone to use Thunderbolt connectors. It would however support AirPlay, connect to iCloud, and stream music from your iTunes music library.

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post #55 of 140
I'm still more inclined to see Apple create a more robust AppleTV that turns the TV into a dumb monitor much in the same way an A/V receiver does, just with a great UI that overlays on the display and connects with your home network devices.
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post #56 of 140
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Originally Posted by monstrosity View Post

What's 'inevitable' is that I will be correct an you will be wrong. Deja Vu

Deja vu how? Because I was wrong about the iPhone nano, xMac, and OS X tablet?

Might want to check Apple's offerings again. None of those exist.

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post #57 of 140
It would be interesting what Apple does with screen sizes. With iOS Devices Apple only offers 1 choice of screen size. With Mac, Apple offers 2 different screen sizes for each model. O but the Apple Thunderbolt Display is only offered in 1 size which is 27 inches, but its not really a mac so that one is Tricky. Technically that already is a TV, hell technically All Apples devices with screens are TV's if u think about it. What do they have that Apples Devices don't have, other than a component or HDMI Port, which Apples Mac Mini and Apple TV have, but obviously they lack the screens. Apple may make something similar to their Thunderbold Display with an HDMI Port built in.
post #58 of 140
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

I want to watch local news on my iPad, then switch to a MLS soccer match... then, after that watch "The Two Fat Ladies"...

1. I too would like to get "live" tv into the iPad, either wirelessly or wiredly. I'm still waiting for the app, and don't see what is the problm. No API? Why not?

2. Watch out for those Two Fat Ladies. In the mushroom-hunting episode with the Girl Scouts, they mis-identify an ordinary Russula as a "deadly" Amanita muscaria! Inexcusable -- the A. muscaria is not deadly, it just has interesting effects.
post #59 of 140
If Apple manufactures HDTV then that will be a surprise. The market for that is crowded and the technology is patented to the hilt. IMHO, Apple, if they don't partner, will be in for another round of legal disputes - Sony and Samsung have shown that way. Good luck Apple as this ain't like the rest of the markets you've entered.
post #60 of 140
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Originally Posted by Flaneur View Post

1. I too would like to get "live" tv into the iPad, either wirelessly or wiredly. I'm still waiting for the app, and don't see what is the problm. No API? Why not?

The two Apple TV sports services already do this.

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post #61 of 140
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Originally Posted by monstrosity View Post

You knew what I meant dumbass.
What's 'inevitable' is that I will be correct an you will be wrong. Deja Vu

One more time?
post #62 of 140
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Originally Posted by Flaneur View Post

1. I too would like to get "live" tv into the iPad, either wirelessly or wiredly. I'm still waiting for the app, and don't see what is the problm. No API? Why not?

2. Watch out for those Two Fat Ladies. In the mushroom-hunting episode with the Girl Scouts, they mis-identify an ordinary Russula as a "deadly" Amanita muscaria! Inexcusable -- the A. muscaria is not deadly, it just has interesting effects.

I do favor mushrooms with interesting effects! (I've always loved Clarissa)
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post #63 of 140
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Originally Posted by lucasland View Post

Apple will make it so easy to watch tv now and in the future.

Buy, unbox, plug into outlet, plug into ethernet and turn on. No more set top boxes!

When you turn on tv, Apple will offer you a new tv experience you will be able to subscribe too. All your favorite channels, on demand movies, live sports and great apps that you can select on a sidebar or overlay live picture.

It will be a game changer in the tv industry.

This was pretty much the sales pitch for GoogleTV. Hasn't exactly set the world on fire.

The problem is you aren't giving me anything my existing TV and a netflix enabled DVD or Bluray player doesn't already provide.
post #64 of 140
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

Deja vu how? Because I was wrong about the iPhone nano, xMac, and OS X tablet?

Might want to check Apple's offerings again. None of those exist.

Deja Vu. Because I have had similar arguments on here and other forums since the beginning of time. iPad, iPhone, Apple TV, or just little things like the other day when Melgross suggested the whiteBook would be replaced by the macbook air, it was pretty much me and him against a forum of non believers.
Or the demise of Nokia, the overtaking of Microsoft in market value, the Android market share, bla bla

If you think that Apple will not release an HDTV or a smaller form iPhone, or an OSX based tablet, you do not know Apple.
post #65 of 140
First time i find myself registering and replying after more then 10 years of reading AI.

If you guys are serious about Apple, which i am sure you all are.. then know this:

Apple won't fall in line with those other hundreds of TV set makers. They will only enter markets where they can set a new standard and hopefully start a small revolution. This report doesn't seem like a revolution in TV to me.

Apple as we all know sees AppleTV as a hobby, cause "there is something there" - Tim Cook
But i can tell you this, it won't be a 4000 dollar screen.
post #66 of 140
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Originally Posted by monstrosity View Post

If you think that Apple will not release an HDTV or a smaller form iPhone, or an OSX based tablet, you do not know Apple.

Right. I'm done here. This is so far opposite of what Apple has proven to us (and in some cases, EXPLICITLY STATED), that there's no sense arguing with this nonsense any longer.

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post #67 of 140
These analysts are **** obsessed about Apple releasing a HDTV. It could happen, but makes no sense. AppleTV powered by A6 as a game console is much more probable.
post #68 of 140
I'm no a big screen fan, I'd rather go to the movies. However I love my iPad and its portability. Doing pip on a high resolution iPad would be pretty neat.
post #69 of 140
Yes and it will not allow to watch porn untill "God mighty" will tell his servants to allow this. Just like posts on Apple forum that have idiotic criteria of censorship so you cannot even put some phrases from regular guide books on software. Well they still allow name Dick for some reason.

Holier than Pope...
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I'm no a big screen fan, I'd rather go to the movies. However I love my iPad and its portability. Doing pip on a high resolution iPad would be pretty neat.
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Yes and it will not allow to watch porn untill "God mighty" will tell his servants to allow this. Just like posts on Apple forum that have idiotic criteria of censorship so you cannot even put some phrases from regular guide books on software. Well they still allow name Dick for some reason.

Holier than Pope...

Implying Safari on iDevices can't view lewd websites.

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post #72 of 140
Apple has done an incredible job in the last decade by going into markets that are fragmented and messy and bringing order and exceptionality. The iPod, iPhone, and iPad all took the shortcomings of other products on the market and addressed them.

The thing is, there is no real problem with the television market. Quality, feature rich sets are available in every size and price range. Several companies already make outstanding products. There's really nothing for Apple to gain by entering this market.

Besides, apple's aversion to the point of phobia in providing multiple connections would not sit well with TV buyers. They need multiple HDMI as well as component, S-video and even composite(!) for legacy equipment. One HDMI and one thunderbolt port isn't going to cut it.
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This rumor is complete hogwash from an analyst who has never accurately predicted anything about Apple in the past.

The con-artist analyst who came up with this rumor SPECIFICALLY invented it to drive up the value of his firm's investment in Apple shares.

It's so incredibly obvious what is going on here, yet AppleInsider and other websites publish this guy's ramblings as if it were news.

I wish AppleInsider would ban the publishing of unfounded rumors like this one.


Apple insider is also a commercial entity looking for traffic = advertising money.

Dont forget that.

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... The thing is, there is no real problem with the television market. Quality, feature rich sets are available in every size and price range. Several companies already make outstanding products. There's really nothing for Apple to gain by entering this market. ...

Whether Apple makes TVs or not, this is a faulty argument.

Your doing the classic thing where just because *you* can't see anything wrong with TVs, you assume that no one else does either. You also are leaving out the possibility that even though *none* of us can see why the problem is with TVs, someone else can. Most Apple products actually fall precisely into that category when they first arrive. They are very often products that we didn't even see we wanted, or replacements for products we didn't realise were faulty.

In the case of a TV, I happen to be in the market myself this month and ironically I was just saying to someone yesterday about how ridiculous it was that I couldn't find one that had decent quality built in sound. For my use, I think it ridiculous that I have to buy a TV, as well as an amplifier, and five speakers and run wires all over a whole room when all I want is a TV with good sound for a small apartment.

I didn't find the Bose TV mentioned in this story, I don't need the built in disc player or tuner, and it seems far overpriced for what it is but that is actually closer to what I'm looking for than any other TV I've seen so far. An Apple TV would be even better in that it would almost certainly not have the disc player or the tuner, and would have the components of the current "Apple TV" built in already.

Again, I am not sure this story is true at all, but if it were, it describes the exact product I was just looking for, and something I would buy tomorrow for any reasonable price. So for me, the current TVs are all "wrong" and the TV described here would be exactly what I'm looking for.
post #75 of 140
Apple would release a magical device with a huge pixel density. The people who will purchase this product will be the more ignorant consumers and people who need to own every apple product. The rest of will know that the hdtv market is one of standards, a tv with a high pixel density will be nice but the current standard is less then that which mean you have a tv with no native content.
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

As Steve has said, there is no "go to market solution" for Apple vis-a-vis TV.

I can't see Apple offering a large screen TV solution before they can develop a solution to deliver "live TV" to the iPad (maybe using ATV).

It is not a hardware, software or app problem -- rather a logistical problem -- working with or around the cable companies, broadcasters and the content owners.

I kind of see it the other way around.

"Live TV" is itself a thing of the past. Lots and lots of folks don't give a rat's behind about live TV anymore and get all their content from the Internet or from discs. The way to simplify all those cables, wires and inputs is to not bother with cable at all. An Apple branded TV would not have a tuner at all, and good riddance I say.

The iPad doesn't need rabbit ears, the TV needs an Internet connection.
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Originally Posted by Apple v. Samsung View Post

Apple would release a magical device with a huge pixel density. The people who will purchase this product will be the more ignorant consumers and people who need to own every apple product. The rest of will know that the hdtv market is one of standards, a tv with a high pixel density will be nice but the current standard is less then that which mean you have a tv with no native content.

I don't think it will be based on pixel density. Having apple TV built in would mean airplay and air gaming right out of the box. If it let you do hulu and netflix, rent from iTunes and watch regular TV it would be really awesome.
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post #78 of 140
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I don't think it will be based on pixel density. Having apple TV built in would mean airplay and air gaming right out of the box. If it let you do hulu and netflix, rent from iTunes and watch regular TV it would be really awesome.

If it has an AppleTV built right in then it has the same CPU as the original iPad so why not run the apps on the AppleTV itself instead of using airplay and therefore requiring a $500 iPad or iPhone (which being portable devices might be elsewhere when you want to use the AppleTV)?

Apple really should release an SDK for the AppleTV. It is also worth noting that the current AppleTV has bluetooth so could easily be paired with bluetooth keyboards or gamepads if Apple would allow it.
post #79 of 140
What Apple should do is:

Updated Apple TV
Features 2 HDMI ports, 1 in, 1 out
Powered by the A6 chip
Hook it up between your existing cable/sat box and the Apple TV interface pops up over your TV stations.
Provides apps which can float over your normal TV image or replace it
Takes over when you play videos etc

Makes any tv a 'smart' tv
post #80 of 140
Steve covered this nicely at the D8 conference last week. He said, to paraphrase, that there is a "go to market" strategy fail with the delivering new innovative TV hardware. Typically it's just about adding another box under the TV.

http://www.runaroundtech.com/2011/07...the-tv-market/

Apple likely will not deliver a TV until something radical is coming that will obviate the need for STB (Set Top Box) and open up the platform. At this point the only thing that can be done is integrating that STB into the TV and that's not going to go over well.

in summary the question is what's being done to ameliorate the proliferating STB? If the answer is "not much" then expect no Apple branded HDTV.
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