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Apple's next iPhone may arrive even later than expected, with a new rumor claiming the handset will not go on sale until the month of October.

Citing a source familiar with Apple's plans, John Paczkowski of All Things D reported on Monday that Apple's fifth-generation iPhone will arrive in the month of October. Separate sources reportedly said that the device will arrive later in the month.

The latest rumor contradicts recent reports which have claimed the so-called "iPhone 5" will debut in September. In addition, AT&T employees have allegedly been prohibited from taking vacation during the last two weeks of September, which has suggested to some that a new iPhone could launch in that timeframe.

"Sources with knowledge of the situation say reports claiming AT&T has blacked out employee vacations during the last two weeks of September in preparation for the retail debut of the next iPhone are misinformed," Paczkowski wrote.

In recent days, cases claiming to show the new design of Apple's fifth-generation iPhone have been appearing in large numbers in China. The proliferation of those cases has fueled speculation that the launch of a new iPhone could happen soon.

An October launch would be later than most expect, and much later than the typical June-July timeframe that Apple has used to launch new iPhone models in years past.



At this year's Worldwide Developers Conference, Apple did not unveil any new hardware. Instead, the company showed off iOS 5, a software update it promised is coming this fall, presumably alongside the next-generation iPhone.

In early July, one report claimed that Apple's component suppliers in Taiwan were gearing up and preparing materials for production of a fifth-generation iPhone in October. Most rumors have suggested that the upgrade will include an improved 8 megapixel camera, along with the speedy A5 processor already found in the iPad 2.
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And AT&T starts to throttle unlimited data on 10/1...
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Apple's next iPhone may arrive even later than expected, with a new rumor claiming the handset will not go on sale until the month of October.

Received a call from my network operator offering a low tariff on my current iPhone to cover period between the end of the contract and the iPhone 5 becoming available. They said they were being told by Apple the iPhone 5 would be available sometime October to December, delayed due to a "component problem".
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It will launch in mid-Sept to first week of October methinks. We keep hearing contradictions. I'm happy to wait and see what they do.

Tomorrow will see a headline Apple expect to launch next-gen 'iPhone 5' later this month and then it'll be back to September and the 2012... until we finally see a "Apple beings inviting members of the press to September media and music event"...
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Still more rumors to manipulate Apple's stock price by claiming another "delay". Who are the sources for this rumor? These rumors belong on rumor sites and not here.
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Naaa, Apple have taken pity on the Android smartphone manufacturers and have taken this year off to let them catch up.
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If this is true, it must new news to everybody at Apple, because they said that their revenues would be impacted by a product transition in the current quarter. To me, that seems like it must be the new iPhone, and it means that it will be well before the end of the quarter, because a few days of sales of the new devices shouldn't have that much of an impact on the quarter, even of they sell a lot in the first few days--especially since international sales are such a big portion, and they are likely to roll it out in the US first. A more likely scenario, I think, is that the 5 will be out in a few weeks, and a lower-cost alternative will be released slightly later.
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It is pretty frustrating when I read that it will launch in the beginning of September, then end of Sep and now in October! The more the lauch is delayed, the later it will come to my country!

Still, I continue to visit AppleInsider because rumors are better than no news!!
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I love the picture of the iPhone 4 for this story.
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It is pretty frustrating when I read that it will launch in the beginning of September, then end of Sep and now in October! The more the lauch is delayed, the later it will come to my country!

Still, I continue to visit AppleInsider because rumors are better than no news!!

Nothing has been announced, therefore there is no delay. So the news might be frustrating, but it's not news, just people back tracking on early guess work and fiction so they don't look stupid in a few weeks when they are proven wrong.
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I predict enormous disappointment when the next iPhone doesn't match the hype being thrown its way. Everybody is predicting some feature or other. When that feature isn't present in the next phone, the lamenting will begin.
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New iphone has historically been available for ordering a few weeks after announcement. So it is still likely an early September announcement, shipping end September.
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If this is true, it must new news to everybody at Apple, because they said that their revenues would be impacted by a product transition in the current quarter. To me, that seems like it must be the new iPhone, and it means that it will be well before the end of the quarter, because a few days of sales of the new devices shouldn't have that much of an impact on the quarter, even of they sell a lot in the first few days--especially since international sales are such a big portion, and they are likely to roll it out in the US first. A more likely scenario, I think, is that the 5 will be out in a few weeks, and a lower-cost alternative will be released slightly later.

This. A thousand times this. AllThingsD has good sources generally, but they're wrong here. Apple THEMSELVES said there's a transition that will have an effect on their numbers ending September 25th. This doesn't mean a launch September 24th either, as that wouldn't have a large enough effect to even be worth mentioning.
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Nothing has been announced, therefore there is no delay. So the news might be frustrating, but it's not news, just people back tracking on early guess work and fiction so they don't look stupid in a few weeks when they are proven wrong.

That's a good point, however, compared to Apple's past iPhone release cycles, this does appear to be a delay. Not to say that Apple had ever published an iPhone product roadmap and target release dates. So, there may be a possible component delay, or maybe a feature will be implemented that was thought to be nixed. LTE?. Although, past announcement has almost always shown that Apple had been conservative on releasing some new-desired technology until they felt the time was right. So I'm not holding my breath on LTE.

I'm also wondering if iOS5 may be a reason for the delay. I suppose Apple will want to release both concurrently, much like the recent Lion/MacBook Air/Mini release. This may be the first time that Apple will be releasing a major OS update and new phone together and that makes things a little more difficult as Apple doesn't want to have egg on their face like MobileMe and Antennae Gate. Not to mention, major changes with iCloud and over the air updates. There are a lot of new things happening at the same time, and as good as Apple is, they are probably being extra cautious to avoid any possible mis-step.
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This. A thousand times this. AllThingsD has good sources generally, but they're wrong here. Apple THEMSELVES said there's a transition that will have an effect on their numbers ending September 25th. This doesn't mean a launch September 24th either, as that wouldn't have a large enough effect to even be worth mentioning.

Unless the component issue is a new one...
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If they announce it sometime this month, doesn't it then go to the Fcc for testing? And doesn't that usually take 1-2 months?
So the likely scenario is announce it later this month, goes to Fcc for testing and hits customers hands in late September or early October and Bob's your uncle.
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Apple's next iPhone may arrive even later than expected, with a new rumor claiming the handset will not go on sale until the month of October. ...

I'm starting to wonder if Apple isn't making a bit of a mistake making us wait so long for the next model. If it arrives in October that will be four months or more past when most people would have expected to upgrade.

If you make people wait, they may realise that they don't actually *need* the new product at all. Compounding that situation, is the fact that by all accounts it's shaping up to be a less than spectacular upgrade. While its true that they have no real competition from any other phone as of yet, it's also true that the salad days of smartphone adoption are over and that the users are getting more sophisticated and making deliberate choices between one smartphone and another. At the very least, a late iPhone that isn't that spectacular when it arrives might absolutely *need* Christmas sales so as to disguise it's slightly lamer sales.
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Unless the component issue is a new one...

That is a possibility, but you'd have to think for Oppenheimer to even have the go-ahead to reference such things, that successful production would have to be a foregone conclusion.

I mean, I guess even if you're 99% sure that everything's on track and on schedule, there's still a 1% chance things go awry.

Maybe this is the 1%?

This still smells like a red herring to me.
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If they announce it sometime this month, doesn't it then go to the Fcc for testing? And doesn't that usually take 1-2 months?
So the likely scenario is announce it later this month, goes to Fcc for testing and hits customers hands in late September or early October and Bob's your uncle.

In the past, Apple has gotten the FCC to do the testing quietly before the product exists without announcing results until the day after their announcement of the product.

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If this is true, it must new news to everybody at Apple, because they said that their revenues would be impacted by a product transition in the current quarter. To me, that seems like it must be the new iPhone, and it means that it will be well before the end of the quarter, because a few days of sales of the new devices shouldn't have that much of an impact on the quarter, even of they sell a lot in the first few days--especially since international sales are such a big portion, and they are likely to roll it out in the US first. A more likely scenario, I think, is that the 5 will be out in a few weeks, and a lower-cost alternative will be released slightly later.

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This. A thousand times this. AllThingsD has good sources generally, but they're wrong here. Apple THEMSELVES said there's a transition that will have an effect on their numbers ending September 25th. This doesn't mean a launch September 24th either, as that wouldn't have a large enough effect to even be worth mentioning.

It's not a 100% certainty, but in the past a "product transition" has always referred to Apple dropping a product, adding a new product, merging two product lines into one, or some combination of these. An expected new version of a product they already sell doesn't really affect the bottom line in the same way.

A new version of the iPhone, however changed or delayed, is not something that could properly be called a "product transition." Anything can happen, but I would expect they are talking about something else.
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It's not a 100% certainty, but in the past a "product transition" has always referred to Apple dropping a product, adding a new product, merging two product lines into one, or some combination of these. An expected new version of a product they already sell doesn't really affect the bottom line in the same way.

A new version of the iPhone, however changed or delayed, is not something that could properly be called a "product transition." Anything can happen, but I would expect they are talking about something else.

Maybe the new iPhone has smaller margins than the first, and/or they release a new lower-end model with smaller margins that they expect to take some share from the high end, and/or they start selling the iPhone 4 for $50 when they release the new model and expect a lot of people to settle for that instead. I'm not sure how else they would allude to an event like this in their conference call without giving away too much.
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It's not a 100% certainty, but in the past a "product transition" has always referred to Apple dropping a product, adding a new product, merging two product lines into one, or some combination of these. An expected new version of a product they already sell doesn't really affect the bottom line in the same way.

A new version of the iPhone, however changed or delayed, is not something that could properly be called a "product transition." Anything can happen, but I would expect they are talking about something else.

Personally, I think the addition of iCloud, that just so happens to coincide with iPhone 5, is a pretty huge transition.
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Still more rumors to manipulate Apple's stock price by claiming another "delay". Who are the sources for this rumor? These rumors belong on rumor sites and not here.

Did you really just say those rumors belong on a rumor site??????????????
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...In the mean time, we'll have to settle for this.
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Maybe the new iPhone has smaller margins than the first, and/or they release a new lower-end model with smaller margins that they expect to take some share from the high end, and/or they start selling the iPhone 4 for $50 when they release the new model and expect a lot of people to settle for that instead. I'm not sure how else they would allude to an event like this in their conference call without giving away too much.

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Personally, I think the addition of iCloud, that just so happens to coincide with iPhone 5, is a pretty huge transition.

Well as I said it's not a 100% certainty at all, but "product transitions" usually refer to something serious. It could even be a reference to the dropping of the MacBook which has already happened and thus there is nothing more to expect at all.

My best guess is that since it's a "product transition" before the end of September, and September is back to school month, that it involves a new iPod touch or a realignment of the iPod touch line, or both.

It should be noted however, that this is partially based on my (somewhat irrational) hope that the new cases we have been seeing are for the iPod touch and not the iPhone 5 because I just can't get my head around the idea of Apple making an iPhone 5 that ugly.
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...In the mean time, we'll have to settle for this.

I find it interesting that these knock-offs are reported to be "based on the case designed reported last week," but are obviously not tapered and don't have the silent switch on the other side as the cases indicated.
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...In the mean time, we'll have to settle for this.

After seeing pics of these "clones", two questions leap to mind...

1. Did the designer base the design of these phones on the schematics of the recently leaked cases alone, or is it based on insider access to the real phone?

2. If this is based on the real phone, what is that back material made of?


I have to say, of all the mock-ups posted the last few weeks/months, this phone looks far and away the best. I hope this is a copy of the real iPhone5. If so, then I am drooling already. If not, I'll still upgrade as my 3Gs is already past mandatory retirement age.
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Well as I said it's not a 100% certainty at all, but "product transitions" usually refer to something serious. It could even be a reference to the dropping of the MacBook which has already happened and thus there is nothing more to expect at all.

Dropping the iPhone 4 would entail significant supply disruption and so would count as a product transition. If they dropped both the 4 & 3GS in favour of two wholly new models that would be a very significant product transition.
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It should be noted however, that this is partially based on my (somewhat irrational) hope that the new cases we have been seeing are for the iPod touch and not the iPhone 5 because I just can't get my head around the idea of Apple making an iPhone 5 that ugly.

I think you need to take a step back, and breathe, and realize that you don't even know what the phone will look like yet. The leaked cases may not be based on the right info or the right device. But even if they are, different case manufacturers have differing levels of quality, and the phone that fits into said cases may not be as bad as you are expecting. Wait and see what Apple brings to the table.

Now, if your anticipated disappointment is stemming solely from the idea that that Apple may be going away from the iPhone4 design aesthetic, then I think you need to prepare for this eventuality sooner rather than later. Everything now seems to point to Apple significantly changing the design with iPhone 5. And you shouldn't assume you won't like the new design. Give it a chance. If anyone can surprise you, it will be Apple. And, if you hate the iP5 on sight, then just go for a cheaper iP4, or wait for the 6.
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I think the leaked cases are waaay too thick for an iPod Touch.
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I hope that Apple leaked some fake case design plans and all the companies creating cases for a phone that has not even been announced get stuck with millions of crappy cases they can't sell.

The rumors we get these days are garbage. Nothing ever very insightful on the technology or product design, just a bunch of noise generated by supply chain speculators and financial analysts who get paid to make silly projections that are never true. People spreading false rumors in hope they gain financially. If you spread a rumor that is false, punishment by life in prison in solitary confinement would be fitting.

If you are a whiner who complains that some product that has not even been announced is delayed or that this unannounced product doesn't have the new features or technology that you want then you should be punished by a public flogging posted on YouTube.
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I think you need to take a step back, and breathe, and realize that you don't even know what the phone will look like yet. The leaked cases may not be based on the right info or the right device. But even if they are, different case manufacturers have differing levels of quality, and the phone that fits into said cases may not be as bad as you are expecting. Wait and see what Apple brings to the table.

Now, if your anticipated disappointment is stemming solely from the idea that that Apple may be going away from the iPhone4 design aesthetic, then I think you need to prepare for this eventuality sooner rather than later. Everything now seems to point to Apple significantly changing the design with iPhone 5. And you shouldn't assume you won't like the new design. Give it a chance. If anyone can surprise you, it will be Apple. And, if you hate the iP5 on sight, then just go for a cheaper iP4, or wait for the 6.

Well, I agree in that I was pointedly owning up to the possible bias I might have, but that doesn't make my concerns unreasonable per se as you seem to imply.

I completely disagree that "Everything now seems to point to Apple significantly changing the design.." I think you've just been reading too many blogs. I would argue that other than these cases there is absolutely no indications of a significant redesign, and that Apple's track record also argues strongly against it.

Apple rarely makes a stupid, ugly, or one-off product, so I have much hope that the next iPhone will be worth buying. For that same reason however, it's quite unlikely in my view that they will be moving *backwards* (as the rumours suggest), and making the new iPhone the same shape and general size as the 3G or the iPod touch. Maybe all the rumours are right and that's what they are doing but it would be very unusual for Apple to do that.
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I predict enormous disappointment when the next iPhone doesn't match the hype being thrown its way. Everybody is predicting some feature or other. When that feature isn't present in the next phone, the lamenting will begin.

Nope - I'm still on a 3G (not 3Gs), and will buy an iphone 5 regardless. There's no doubt that it will be better than iphone 4. Why all the delay just for another iphone 4 under a different name.

Sounds logical to me, but I'm just that way.
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Dropping the iPhone 4 would entail significant supply disruption and so would count as a product transition. If they dropped both the 4 & 3GS in favour of two wholly new models that would be a very significant product transition.

But didn't they say iphone 4 & 3GS would be supported in iOS 5? Doesn't the code already have in it place holders for an iphone5? Wouldn't there be another place holder for a newer iphone, along with the iphone 5, if they were going to create TWO new models?
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It better be September... I don't know how much longer my 3g will hold together.
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Given that iOS 5 is 'coming this fall', and that Apple held up releasing the new Airs until Lion was released, the earliest the 'iPhone 5' will be released is likely Sept 21. So an October release is very plausible, maybe even probable.
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Well, I agree in that I was pointedly owning up to the possible bias I might have, but that doesn't make my concerns unreasonable per se as you seem to imply.

I completely disagree that "Everything now seems to point to Apple significantly changing the design.." I think you've just been reading too many blogs. I would argue that other than these cases there is absolutely no indications of a significant redesign, and that Apple's track record also argues strongly against it.

Apple rarely makes a stupid, ugly, or one-off product, so I have much hope that the next iPhone will be worth buying. For that same reason however, it's quite unlikely in my view that they will be moving *backwards* (as the rumours suggest), and making the new iPhone the same shape and general size as the 3G or the iPod touch. Maybe all the rumours are right and that's what they are doing but it would be very unusual for Apple to do that.

I'm sure you are right on this. I read way too many blogs/rumors on Apple.

I will say though that while blogs and rumors can easily be wrong, there are usually some sources that turn out to be correct. Sometimes this is coincidence, and sometimes it is due to leaked info. The hard part is knowing which rumors to believe. Personally, I believe that a 16 month refresh time (instead of the usual 12 months), along with both real and perceived antenna issues and the breakage issues with the back glass panel all point toward a significant redesign.

We have heard rumors that Apple execs no longer favor the iPhone 4 design, but this may be false. We have heard rumor of Apple testing iPhone 5 guts inside an iPhone 4 enclosure to be able to test the new devices while flying under the radar. This could also be false, but Apple would totally do this. It only makes sense after finding the iPhone4 was in a special case that made it look like a 3Gs during testing.

If you believe otherwise that it will be very similar to an iPhone 4, then that's fine. You could easily turn out to be correct. Likewise, we could both be wrong. Maybe its some sort of hybrid. Only time will tell.
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Nope - I'm still on a 3G (not 3Gs), and will buy an iphone 5 regardless. There's no doubt that it will be better than iphone 4. Why all the delay just for another iphone 4 under a different name.

Sounds logical to me, but I'm just that way.

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It better be September... I don't know how much longer my 3g will hold together.

I'm in the same boat. My 3G is gasping for air. All it can do is make calls (never drops!), check emails and play 3 Card Poker when I'm on the crapper.
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Back before most anyone was saying that this years WWDC wouldn't play host to an announcement, John Gruber of daringfireball.net started claiming that we wouldn't see anything from Apple about the "iPhone 5" until September. I completely disregarded his claim, mostly out of utter disappointment that I wouldn't be getting a new phone in a couple months, but I couldn't deny his logic.

He put it together that the iPod line, while still somewhat important to Apple's overall bottom line, was, and still is, exponentially dropping in popularity. Because of this, it simply didn't make sense for Apple to devote the entire September event to the iPod line alone. On the other hand, the iPhone is exploding in popularity and complexity, making it more difficult to properly explain and demonstrate during the already information packed WWDC keynote address. If you think about it, demoing new hardware during the softwarecentric WWDC never really made sense in the first place. Combining the announcement of the iPhone and the iPod lineup makes too much sense to postpone any longer.

I'm pegging the announcement to fall sometime during the first week or two of September and the release to fall somewhere in the last 2 weeks.
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