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post #41 of 107
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Originally Posted by siromega View Post

The necessary LTE chipset for Apple (Qualcomm 9615) wont be in mass production until the end of the year. So the new phone wont be LTE.

What I worry about is Apple waiting until next Sept. (of 2012) to bring LTE to the iPhone, even though there will be a capable chip available much earlier (and there will be a ton of LTE devices on the market that have good battery life using this same chip). On the flip side, Apple could release the iPhone 6 as early as May or June of 2012, so whats the purpose of getting the iPhone 5 if the LTE phone is just 8 months away? Its a weird situation they're in with their product release cycles.

I wouldn't worry about it. There were plenty of 3G phones on the market before Apple took the plunge and it didn't affect them negatively at all. They basically waited until they could get it right, and this paid off. The change to LTE will be the same. Apple needs to stay the course and wait on LTE until it is power efficient and until the network is much more widespread. It's too immature right now, and most users are just fine on 3G speeds.

Oh, and there is absolutely no way that an additional iPhone with LTE will be released 8 months after iPhone 5. Not unless they had a major problem with the 5 and needed to kill it off quickly. Other than that, I believe Apple has now in effect changed their iPhone refresh cycle to the Fall instead of Summer.
post #42 of 107
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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post

Unless there is a valid, *design-based* reason for changing the screen size, I don't see Apple doing it, (and I've yet to hear anyone elucidate that reason).

I doubt things like the phone or iPod apps would be any different but most other "smart" things you do on a smartphone (like web browsing, messaging, email, games etc) are easier and/or more immersive on a larger screen.

Of course the design-based reason for not increasing the screen size is battery life and the fact the damn thing might not fit in your pocket.

I guess it's just a balancing act between functionality and practicality.
post #43 of 107
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Originally Posted by cxc273 View Post

It wouldn't be surprising for Apple to host its annual September event to announce the iPhone 5 and presumably new iPods with a street date in late September or early October.

Although a bigger screen and faster processor are certainly welcome in the new iPhone, I would really like to see a bump in capacity to 64GB. The iPhone 4 also sports an excellent camera and I hope that Apple makes it even better.

+1

This is what I expect will happen - iPod event in September with the iPhone 5 being the "one more thing..."

I'd love the iPhone 5 to be released in September but my gut-feeling is early October

As for the camera - I hope for a better quality lens and faster shutter. Not too bothered about Mega-pixel resolution...

I just can't wait to upgrade my iPhone 3G
post #44 of 107
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Originally Posted by MoXoM View Post

+1

This is what I expect will happen - iPod event in September with the iPhone 5 being the "one more thing..."

I'd love the iPhone 5 to be released in September but my gut-feeling is early October

As for the camera - I hope for a better quality lens and faster shutter. Not too bothered about Mega-pixel resolution...

I just can't wait to upgrade my iPhone 3G

ATT vacation calendars have been pretty good predictors of new iPhones in the past.
post #45 of 107
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Originally Posted by Firefly7475 View Post

I doubt things like the phone or iPod apps would be any different but most other "smart" things you do on a smartphone (like web browsing, messaging, email, games etc) are easier and/or more immersive on a larger screen.

Of course the design-based reason for not increasing the screen size is battery life and the fact the damn thing might not fit in your pocket.

I guess it's just a balancing act between functionality and practicality.

Being immersed in internet services is what my Mac is for. I want my phone to be a quick, convenient, and portable access point to my information while I am not home, and for the hardware and UI to look great. I do not expect, want or need to be immersed in the internet on my phone.
post #46 of 107
Or all those cases could be for the revised iPod touch?
post #47 of 107
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Originally Posted by DJinTX View Post

Being immersed in internet services is what my Mac is for. I want my phone to be a quick, convenient, and portable access point to my information while I am not home, and for the hardware and UI to look great. I do not expect, want or need to be immersed in the internet on my phone.

In that case, may I recommend a Blackberry Bold? It's a very effective device and totally un-immersive.
post #48 of 107
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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post

Given the fact that this sentiment seems to be basically the only reason for making the screen bigger, it's also the main reason why it probably won't happen. When was the last time Apple changed a product of theirs (a flagship product in fact), to match the competition or because "everyone is doing (X) now." Oh that's right ... never!

Unless there is a valid, *design-based* reason for changing the screen size, I don't see Apple doing it, (and I've yet to hear anyone elucidate that reason).

I agree that Apple won't chase a buzzword but having a bit more screen real estate (hopefully without changing the overall size) could increase usability without decreasing portability. There are also many constraints that dictate design. Component cost, battery life, physical size of other components. As these are reduced they no longer constrain your design(or less so anyway).
I like the overall size of the iPhone right now and if they can squeeze a bit more screen out of it, the benefits seem obvious.
post #49 of 107
This picture posted on the iCloud.com beta site that was just made accessible to developers is possibly what the iPhone 5 will look like ...
(the link leads to the 9to5mac site where this picture was posted, not to the iCloud.com site)

post #50 of 107
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Originally Posted by DJinTX View Post

Being immersed in internet services is what my Mac is for. I want my phone to be a quick, convenient, and portable access point to my information while I am not home, and for the hardware and UI to look great. I do not expect, want or need to be immersed in the internet on my phone.

I suppose that's one area where Apple's one-size-fits-all iPhone policy is a failure.

Some people want a compact phone and maximum battery life, others are willing to trade off on those two in order to get a larger screen that is easier to read.

Apple cater to different markets with the iPod. People that just want a compact music player buy a Nano, and people that want more functionality go for a Touch.

Maybe they will do the same thing with the iPhone.
post #51 of 107
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Originally Posted by siromega View Post

The necessary LTE chipset for Apple (Qualcomm 9615) wont be in mass production until the end of the year. So the new phone wont be LTE.

What I worry about is Apple waiting until next Sept. (of 2012) to bring LTE to the iPhone, even though there will be a capable chip available much earlier (and there will be a ton of LTE devices on the market that have good battery life using this same chip). On the flip side, Apple could release the iPhone 6 as early as May or June of 2012, so whats the purpose of getting the iPhone 5 if the LTE phone is just 8 months away? Its a weird situation they're in with their product release cycles.

1) The Moto Droid 3/Milestone 3 has a true "world mode" or LTE option and appears to get good battery life. It's larger than the iPhone but it's impressive for Moto so maybe Apple will something up their sleeve for this later-than-average iPhone release.

2) If Apple has to wait well past their competitors to use a cellular technology I don't think that is a big deal. The first iPhone was called a failure because it was only GPRS and EDGE for data yet it sold faster than other phone on the market making its way around the world. I even sold mine after a year of usage for more than I bought it for.

3) What is the size and specs of the MDM9615? (edit: It looks like it will be a true "world mode" device supporting all the bands Apple needs to create one device again. If that is what they are doing I could see a non-LTE "world mode" device being launched this year. Those with Verizon and other CDMA-based carriers wouldn't benefit from faster speeds, but those on AT&T and other HS*PA-based networks would get the faster speeds of HSPA+.0


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Whoa... you're like, a total seer! Amazing! Where did you get those prices? That's so brilliant, the way you segmented the market. you should totally call Apple and suggest it!

And the style prediction of the 5! Amazing! It's like you know what all the rumors said, AFTER they said it! Wow!

A man makes a reasonable prediction and you dog him for it?! Maybe if we gave more value to balanced predictions and not to woefully absurd predictions our expectations would actually be met.
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post #52 of 107
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Originally Posted by cameronj View Post

In that case, may I recommend a Blackberry Bold? It's a very effective device and totally un-immersive.


While I am sure this Blackberry you recommend is not immersive in any way (or enjoyable), I am just fine with my iPhone. It's the perfect size and filled with Apple-y goodness.

And I should now return the favor and make a suggestion for you. Since the iPhone isn't going to deliver the 4+ inch screen you seem to want, then you should check out an iPad. They are very big, immersive, and quite cool. My wife loves hers.
post #53 of 107
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Originally Posted by Firefly7475 View Post

I suppose that's one area where Apple's one-size-fits-all iPhone policy is a failure.

Some people want a compact phone and maximum battery life, others are willing to trade off on those two in order to get a larger screen that is easier to read.

Apple cater to different markets with the iPod. People that just want a compact music player buy a Nano, and people that want more functionality go for a Touch.

Maybe they will do the same thing with the iPhone.

I wouldn't say the one phone model has been a failure, rather, it has not been quite as successful and dominant as it could have been to this point. Definitely not a failure though.

You are correct though in that having two or more differing models would satisfy even more users. I suppose they could do this at some point, it's just hard to imagine since they have embraced the one phone model since the beginning. Who knows though, maybe they are gearing up for a product transition.
post #54 of 107
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Originally Posted by DJinTX View Post

While I am sure this Blackberry you recommend is not immersive in any way (or enjoyable), I am just fine with my iPhone. It's the perfect size and filled with Apple-y goodness.

And I should now return the favor and make a suggestion for you. Since the iPhone isn't going to deliver the 4+ inch screen you seem to want, then you should check out an iPad. They are very big, immersive, and quite cool. My wife loves hers.

You might want to make note of who you are replying to - not everyone that you reply to embodies each of the comments that have been posted in this thread.

You said you wanted a phone where the web was not immersive. Sorry, going from 3.8 inches to 4 inches, while not changing the size of the frame, would not make such a large difference. The web experience on the iPhone is immersive, and it will remain so with a whopping increase of 5%.

If they can do it while retaining one day battery life, I'm perfectly happy. If they don't change the screen size, I'll remain perfectly happy, and will buy my 5th iPhone.

Already have an iPad, but thanks.
post #55 of 107
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Originally Posted by MoXoM View Post

+1

This is what I expect will happen - iPod event in September with the iPhone 5 being the "one more thing..."

I'd love the iPhone 5 to be released in September but my gut-feeling is early October

As for the camera - I hope for a better quality lens and faster shutter. Not too bothered about Mega-pixel resolution...

I just can't wait to upgrade my iPhone 3G

I think the iPhone is too important to Apple to make it a "one more thing". I think Apple will start with the usual stats, then move into the iPods but at much faster pace than before.

I think that only the iPod Touch will change it's design around, outside of color changes that may affect the Nano and Shuffles.

Then we get a very long session for the iPhone. I think they will also focus on its reception since they had to do a special event just to talk about the antenna last year and don't want any bad press that will cost them millions in free cases.

If there is a "one more thing" product I think it could be about the AppleTV but I'm not holding my breath.
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post #56 of 107
last year when Apple said they made a 3 or 4 billion dollar super secret strategic investment, people tended to assume that it was for screens or building the next A# processor. But what if it was to fund early development of an LTE chipset that meets their power needs?
post #57 of 107
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Originally Posted by Blastdoor View Post

last year when Apple said they made a 3 or 4 billion dollar super secret strategic investment, people tended to assume that it was for screens or building the next A# processor. But what if it was to fund early development of an LTE chipset that meets their power needs?

Completely meaningless when there aren't any meaningful LTE networks anywhere in the world right now. So no, that probably wasn't it.

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post #58 of 107
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

Completely meaningless when there aren't any meaningful LTE networks anywhere in the world right now. So no, that probably wasn't it.

I don't think it's completely meaningless if the 6th iPhone won't arrive until Autumn 2012, but I think a better strategic move is to get an efficient true "world mode" chip with the new SIM design that could make their economics of scale effective in squeezing an even higher percentage of profit from the handset market.
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post #59 of 107
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Originally Posted by cameronj View Post

You might want to make note of who you are replying to - not everyone that you reply to embodies each of the comments that have been posted in this thread.

You said you wanted a phone where the web was not immersive. Sorry, going from 3.8 inches to 4 inches, while not changing the size of the frame, would not make such a large difference. The web experience on the iPhone is immersive, and it will remain so with a whopping increase of 5%.

If they can do it while retaining one day battery life, I'm perfectly happy. If they don't change the screen size, I'll remain perfectly happy, and will buy my 5th iPhone.

Already have an iPad, but thanks.

You might be taking my remarks too seriously. I thought we were just making smart-ass remarks to give each other a hard time. If my remark incorrectly labeled you as someone who wants a much larger device and this brings you distress, then I apologize. I thought it was all in good fun. With that said, if we are now returning to an intelligent debate of screen size, then by all means, let's do that.

Above you mention "going from 3.8 inches to 4 inches, while not changing the size of the frame, would not make such a large difference." Obviously the iPhone is currently 3.5 inches as opposed to 3.8. I wouldn't be surprised if Apple found a way to increase to 3.8 without increasing the overall phone size. But I can't imagine how they could keep the same frame size if they put in a 4 inch screen. If they can do it, then that is amazing. It just seems unlikely.

As for immersive...you and I likely just have different ideas of the word.

I don't see the current iPhone as being immersive, nor do I think gaining a small amount of screen size (to 4 inches) would suddenly make me feel immersed either. However, if any screen size increase causes the device to be less portable, and not fit as well in my pocket, then I am definitely against this move.

Of course, Apple will make this decision for all of us. So we'll just have to wait and see what they deliver. My biggest pet peeve in this whole screen size discussion is that many of those here who want a larger screen/device, seem to operate under the thinking that all users want what they want, but of course this is not at all the case.
post #60 of 107
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Originally Posted by Freshmaker View Post

To give someone a reason to upgrade.

Otherwise, what's the point? My iPhone 4 is plenty fast enough for my tastes, so if all they do is slap a better CPU in it then I'll just skip this generation and wait for the 6.

This is really pretty much the plan from Apple's perspective anyway. The contracts on phones are all 2 years, so they expect the majority of users to upgrade every other generation anyway. My wife will skip this generation as she has an iPhone 4, but I'm chomping at the bit because I have a 3GS and it's feeling rather long in the tooth.

Personally, I don't think I would ever upgrade annually unless Apple happens to seriously drop the ball and release a true iPhone lemon. This could possibly frustrate me enough to pop for one the following year if Apple really made up for the bad model with a fantastic next unit. IMHO the vast majority of users simply upgrade when they are contract eligible for an upgrade so I don't think you are going to be seeing loads of iPhone 4 users rushing to upgrade. I think however you are going to see hordes of folks like myself or those still suffering along with a 3G springing for the new model this fall.
post #61 of 107
Please stop quoting Shaw Wu.

So many of these "Analyst" rumors are caught in a self-affirming feedback loop between themselves and the rumor sites.

I'd rather have fewer articles written, than a colorful rehashing of what I've already read here, on MacRumors, and everywhere else...

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post #62 of 107
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I think the iPhone is too important to Apple to make it a "one more thing". I think Apple will start with the usual stats, then move into the iPods but at much faster pace than before.

I think that only the iPod Touch will change it's design around, outside of color changes that may affect the Nano and Shuffles.

Then we get a very long session for the iPhone. I think they will also focus on its reception since they had to do a special event just to talk about the antenna last year and don't want any bad press that will cost them millions in free cases.

If there is a "one more thing" product I think it could be about the AppleTV but I'm holding my breath.

This seems pretty accurate to me.

A pre-paid cheap iPhone, a 5 inch iPod Touch, and a 56 inch TV set are probably not realistic expectations for this event. But even so I'm excited about what's in store.
post #63 of 107
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Originally Posted by sdh5019 View Post

I doubt there is going to be a change in screen size unless they have a specific reason for the change (like the multitasking bar is permanent).if there is a change in size then developers will have to rewrite apps, even if you don't change the density. Making pixels bigger just throws off the entire ui of an app and defeats the purpose of a bigger screen. They should have given developers a heads up if that was the case.

Nothing wrong about making pixels a bit bigger. It's like viewing computer desktop on 15" and 17" at the same 1024x768 resolution: it happens all the time. And no need to rewrite programs: both MacOS and Windows can run one resolution on multiple screen sizes. Both 13" Macbook Air and 15" MacBook Pro run 1440 x 900 native resolution and in addition can run other resolutions.

iPhone's 3.5" screen is too small. The keyboard is too small: for that reason it does not even have cursor keys making typing a pain. Also, unlike Android browser, iOS 4 browser can't run in full screen mode making usable real estate even smaller the 3.5".

I'll never go back to 3.5" or even 4" screen from my current 4.3". I have held in my hand the new Samsung Infuse 4G with 4.5" screen and it amazing, even thinner then iPhone (only 9 mm), still pocketable and easier to hold vs. tiny iPhone, the battery could also be bigger. 4.5" is the size I want ultimately.

At last Apple can afford now making phones in 2 sizes: 3.5" and 4.5".

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post #64 of 107
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Originally Posted by DJinTX View Post

Above you mention "going from 3.8 inches to 4 inches, while not changing the size of the frame, would not make such a large difference." Obviously the iPhone is currently 3.5 inches as opposed to 3.8. I wouldn't be surprised if Apple found a way to increase to 3.8 without increasing the overall phone size. But I can't imagine how they could keep the same frame size if they put in a 4 inch screen. If they can do it, then that is amazing. It just seems unlikely.

As for immersive...you and I likely just have different ideas of the word.

I don't see the current iPhone as being immersive, nor do I think gaining a small amount of screen size (to 4 inches) would suddenly make me feel immersed either. However, if any screen size increase causes the device to be less portable, and not fit as well in my pocket, then I am definitely against this move.

If we saw a screen size increase, I think the iPhone's design would change slightly. It'll probably be like the Fatty iPod Nano transition. Shorter wider flatter and thinner, to accommodate a larger screen while at the same time decreasing overall weight and "volume" of the product.

If it's significantly thinner and curvier it should be easier to pocket the device than the 4 even if it's wider.
post #65 of 107
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Nothing wrong about making pixels a bit bigger. It's like viewing computer desktop on 15" and 17" at the same 1024x768 resolution: it happens all the time. And no need to rewrite programs: both MacOS and Windows can run one resolution on multiple screen sizes. Both 13" Macbook Air and 15" MacBook Pro run 1440 x 900 native resolution and in addition can run other resolutions.

iPhone's 3.5" screen is too small. The keyboard is too small: for that reason it does not even have cursor keys making typing a pain. Also, unlike Android browser, iOS 4 browser can't run in full screen mode making usable real estate even smaller the 3.5".

What you said about the keyboard is what I believe would be Apple's primary "design-based" motive for increasing the screen size of the iPhone. I've found the keyboard to be a pain at times on the tiny screen, and auto-correct doesn't help the problem, it actually makes the problem worse at times.

And you are right about resolution. iOS 4 and 5 actually have the ability to run in multiple resolutions already. If Apple were to change the resolution or the screen size on the iPhone the OS can handle it and 3rd parties won't have to optimize their apps if they don't want to because the OS can do all the hard work to make the apps look good. Apple already does that Mac OS X which is available in screen sizes ranging from 11 inch to 30 inches.
post #66 of 107
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Originally Posted by AppleStud View Post

until someone explains to me how Apple can enlarge the screen without reducing pixel density (ie, Retina Display) then I am eternally skeptical about a larger iPhone. There is zero chance Apple will ask developers to go back and fix their apps to run on a resolution other than 960x640.

Whereas I believe a lower pixel density is needed for an aging population that is going to have increasing difficulty reading tiny text. Making everything a bit bigger will help a significant demographic. Those who would be bothered by a small, likely invisible, increase in the size of individual pixels are a small minority who'll quickly discover that Android pixel density is significantly lower than the enlarged iPhone. The much touted Galaxy S II has a 4.3" screen with a resolution of only 800x480.
post #67 of 107
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What you said about the keyboard is what I believe would be Apple's primary "design-based" motive for increasing the screen size of the iPhone. I've found the keyboard to be a pain at times on the tiny screen, and auto-correct doesn't help the problem, it actually makes the problem worse at times.

And you are right about resolution. iOS 4 and 5 actually have the ability to run in multiple resolutions already. If Apple were to change the resolution or the screen size on the iPhone the OS can handle it and 3rd parties won't have to optimize their apps if they don't want to because the OS can do all the hard work to make the apps look good. Apple already does that Mac OS X which is available in screen sizes ranging from 11 inch to 30 inches.

Android apps are typically designed to look perfect on 800x480 displays. They don't look quite as good on phones with other resolutions because they rely on the OS to scale everything to fit. Apple would never settle for the imperfect look of scaling.

While it would be a pain for developers to support a third resolution I can see Apple requiring it if they increase the size of the iPhone display. They're always looking to future devices not past ones; 480x320 is so last decade!

Increasing size while keeping the "retina" pixel density would improve keyboard usability without sacrificing detail. It wouldn't address the problem of text readability, but that's mostly a problem on the web and I believe Apple doesn't want us to ever visit the web. They think we should use apps for everything and only use Safari as a last resort.
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Originally Posted by cvaldes1831 View Post

Here's how the "design-based" process works at Apple.

Nice. I agree with your description. Works for me, and I'm good with that.

The rest is noise.
post #69 of 107
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Originally Posted by AppleStud View Post

until someone explains to me how Apple can enlarge the screen without reducing pixel density (ie, Retina Display) then I am eternally skeptical about a larger iPhone. There is zero chance Apple will ask developers to go back and fix their apps to run on a resolution other than 960x640.

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They say that to be a retina display it has to be over 300 ppi, so that would mean a maximum of 3.8" screen, no?

(considering the same resolution as iPhone 4)

Considering (as others have pointed out) that "retina display" is a marketing more than a technical term), I'm guessing somewhere between 3.8 and 4" will be "retina-ish" enough to keep the cred (and still very rich looking with no UI or API re-writes required for developers) - while simultaneously buying off most of those with droid "screen-size envy."

Also factor in that if affordable pixel-doubled screens are coming for the next iPad, direct doubling works far better than any fraction of same. So no change in the # of pixels in the phone or the aspect ratio, but likely a slight increase in screen size.

And I'll even give odds against LTE in this iteration, or in it being supplanted by an LTE iteration in less than 6-8 months. Apple doesn't need it to succeed and LTE isn't mature enough nor wide-spread enough to make it material to their success. Not to mention the variations in 4G-ness around the globe which I believe Apple is taking into account in their skunk works.

More interesting (and less discussed) is whether or not we may see a phone which is both GSM and CDMA capable - i.e., a lessening of SKU's and a truer world phone. We know Apple's eyeing big growth in China and that one huge company there has a CDMA variant that's different than Verizon's, and that Sprint is jonesing to become an iPhone offerer.

Also barely discussed is whether the release date is hinging more on sweating finishing something about the hardware (the phone itself and the new iPods that may accompany it) - with much speculation on new radios and other chips, etc. - or whether the issue's more getting iOS5 to the polish point required to take the experience to the next level.

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It might be bigger, or it might not... brilliant.

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Well if you're going to just completely redefine what a "design-based" reason is then it's pretty easy to prove me wrong.

I like it, it sells, it looks cool, the other guys are doing it, etc. are all *not* design-based reasons.

I could easily be wrong, everyone (at least in the USA) seems to want these gigantic screens, and Apple may bow to public pressure in that regard. I still doubt it though, and even if they did, nothing about that changes the fact that there is no design-based reason to do it, and that Apple rarely changes a product for any reasons other than design-based ones.

I think this "design based" term is silly. Companies manufacture things they believe people want because they will sell more of them. If having a bigger screen is desirable for the majority of the public then that is what a company will manufacture. People don't line up around the block to buy something that they don't want.

If somebody put a 4" screen phone beside a 3.5" screen with equal pixel density and asked people to choose which screen was easier to use and view, the answer would be the bigger one.

If the reason for keeping the iPhone screen at 3.5" is for pocket size considerations then why isn't Apple making a much smaller version of the iPhone? HP makes a much smaller phone with a tiny screen. I've seen another brand with the same size factor too. They are like little squares but much bigger than the iPod Nano. If I only wanted a phone with touch screen controls a tiny square phone would be fine. The point of a smart phone is for it to be more than a phone. It is a tiny computer that is an entertainment device too. Screen size is important for media devices. An iPhone with a bigger screen that could still fit comfortably in a pocket would be a better device for that reason alone.
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Originally Posted by blackbook View Post

If we saw a screen size increase, I think the iPhone's design would change slightly. It'll probably be like the Fatty iPod Nano transition. Shorter wider flatter and thinner, to accommodate a larger screen while at the same time decreasing overall weight and "volume" of the product.

If it's significantly thinner and curvier it should be easier to pocket the device than the 4 even if it's wider.

I would agree. The longer and wider aspect could be minimized with it being thinner and more rounded. I could make due with an increase of say, a few millimeters. But if it were anything like the half inch quoted in the last few days, this would be too large for my liking. Whatever is coming, it should be exciting.
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Originally Posted by Smallwheels View Post

I think this "design based" term is silly. Companies manufacture things they believe people want because they will sell more of them. If having a bigger screen is desirable for the majority of the public then that is what a company will manufacture. People don't line up around the block to buy something that they don't want.

If somebody put a 4" screen phone beside a 3.5" screen with equal pixel density and asked people to choose which screen was easier to use and view, the answer would be the bigger one.

Apple doesn't do public market research. They only research the opinions of one person: Steve Jobs. If Steve likes it, then it's a "go."

I'm sure Steve has seen dozens, if not hundreds of iPhone prototypes with larger screens.

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If the reason for keeping the iPhone screen at 3.5" is for pocket size considerations then why isn't Apple making a much smaller version of the iPhone?

Ah, but they are. Basically, the overall design trend for the iPhone is a little thinner, same with the iPod touch. Steve doesn't want to supersize the iPhone. He has been given multiple opportunities to do so.

Therein lies a hint of Steve's overall design proclivities. Look at the 11" MacBook Air: smaller and thinner than any notebook computer Apple has ever made.

The notion of supersizing is alien to Steve's aesthetic.
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When was the last time Apple changed a product of theirs (a flagship product in fact), to match the competition or because "everyone is doing (X) now." Oh that's right ... never!

Unless there is a valid, *design-based* reason for changing the screen size, I don't see Apple doing it, (and I've yet to hear anyone elucidate that reason).

And sometimes Apple goes in the opposite direction...

Was the old Nano simply too big and too easy to use with controls you could use in your pocket? Yeah... let's make it smaller and harder to use...

Oh it's a beautiful design... but far less functional.

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I think this "design based" term is silly. It is a tiny computer that is an entertainment device too. Screen size is important for media devices. An iPhone with a bigger screen that could still fit comfortably in a pocket would be a better device for that reason alone.

It is silly, I agree. Mobile phone is entertainment device and don't want to be entertained on a tiny screen. It is also communication device and keyboard size/usability is important for emails/texting.

Also pocketability might be a factor (though I've never carried my iPhone in a pocket when I had one), but another more important factor to me is a single-hand operation. Obviously I can't use 10" iPad single-hand. But 4.5" phone I easily can. Every morning I stand on the crowded Chicago bus, holding a grip with one hand while operating my 4.3" Evo with another hand. I browse web, I type short email, and navigate through a playlist.

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And sometimes Apple goes in the opposite direction...

Was the old Nano simply too big and too easy to use with controls you could use in your pocket? Yeah... let's make it smaller and harder to use...

Oh it's a beautiful design... but far less functional.


Yeap. I would pick the old bigger Nano any day over this "beauty".

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Apple doesn't do public market research.

Ah, but they are. Basically, the overall design trend for the iPhone is a little thinner, same with the iPod touch. Steve doesn't want to supersize the iPhone.

All companies that want to stay in business do market research. So does Apple. There is a feedback page for every Apple product. Bugs can be reported and there is also a feature request on the drop down menus of each page.

When I say smaller phone I mean something like the HP Veer. Thinner doesn't seem smaller to me.

http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/05/...-video-review/

Making a phone slimmer is OK but not as impressive as making it smaller in all dimensions.

Who wants to carry around something as thin as a sheet of paper and use it as a phone. There will be a point where structural rigidity will be compromised with something very thin. Ergonomics are also important.

I still believe that a 4" screen on an iPhone would look and operate better than a 3.5" screen for most people.
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And yet, Apple sells about two iPod touches for every three iPhones. The iPod touch 4 clocks in with a 7.2mm thickness and it handles well enough to be a telephone surrogate with apps like Facetime, Skype, Google Voice, Talkatone, fring, Nimbuzz, etc.

Trust me, if Apple engineers can make the iPhone slimmer without compromising performance, Steve will green light it.
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And yet, Apple sells about two iPod touches for every three iPhones. The iPod touch 4 clocks in with a 7.2mm thickness and it handles well enough to be a telephone surrogate with apps like Facetime, Skype, Google Voice, Talkatone, fring, Nimbuzz, etc.

Trust me, if Apple engineers can make the iPhone slimmer without compromising performance, Steve will green light it.

Looking at last quarter's numbers and Apple's statement that about half of iPod sales are Touches the numbers are about 20M to 4M or 5 to 1.
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All companies that want to stay in business do market research. So does Apple..

Yes, Apple does market research and usability testing. And the odd thing is that Steve Jobs once said during his keynote, that Apple has done usability research and determined that iPad should be that big.

But I can understand that there is marker for 3.5" phone and there is market for 4.5" phone (the same apply to 7" and 10" tablets).

So Apple, the biggest company in world could easily address that making device in 2 sizes, as they do with laptops and iMacs. And eventually they will be forced to make multiple size devices, perhaps even this Fall.

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