Originally posted by SDW2001
1. "If Iraq were smart (and I bet they're smarter than some people think) they will have secretly destroyed any remaining WOMD and concentrate all of their efforts on catching invading forces trying to frame them with planted evidence."
---not going to happen. Also, they should first destroy all their weapons, then make it look as if we are planting evidence? What? Whose side are you on?
Wow. I didn't say they should make it look like we're planting evidence. I said they should try to catch us doing it, because in all likelihoodwe're going to do it
I don't believe Iraq has WOMD. If they don't, Bush is f%cked. He would never let that happen. I actually wish, with all of my heart, that if evidence is manufactured, I hope we are caught
2. "Because Bush will plant WOMD. If Bush goes to war and no WOMD are found then Bush (and at this point, unfortunately, America) will look no better than Bin Laden. He can not and will not take that risk."
OMFG. You have no evidence that Bush will "plant" weapons. Saddam has already armed his forces in southern Iraq with these weapons. They are THERE. For God's own sake, you are blind. And...America will look no better than bin laden? What kind of thinking is this? you mean we will delibrately try to kill civilians? No.
They are there? Says who? Colin Powell? OF COURSE FOX NEWS AND BUSH AND POWELL AND "INTELLIGENCE" WILL REPORT WOMD. Idiot.
3. "I can never be proud of being American again. Every time someone asks where I'm from I'll be hesitant to tell them the truth (incidentally, 99% of the people I meet are not American and 90% of those will hate Americans after this). I am ashamed to be associated with a country that thinks it IS God"
It is amazing you feel like this. Let me ask you...if not the US, then who? We are the only nation on Earth with the resources to take this guy out. Inspections have failed. I say again...FAILED. Sanctions, limited military strikes...everything else has failed. You cannot possibly be arguing that we DON'T disarm him, can you? Are you really arguing for containment? Head-in-the-sand liberals like you think the same way: "If Bush hadn't pushed this it wouldn't be a problem". Newsflash It WOULD be a problem. It would just be that no one would be paying attention to it, just as it was ignored for 8 years in the 1990's. Saddam would still be there with his weapons, pursuing nukes and chemical agents at will. There would be NO inspectors. Bush is the reason the world will finally get rid of this madman. Without his insistence on disarmerment, the UN would have NEVER have sent inspectors back in.
If we didn't provoke Saddam and the rest of the Arab world (including our Israel policy) Saddam would rot in Iraq until he died. You cannot prove otherwise. We cannot start a war because we are scared.
Terrorist attacks are going to happen from time to time. Countries may invade other countries. That's when we react. Not before. We punish AFTER an act is committed. Read Philip K. Dick. He proves why we cannot punish before acts are committed, even when we can predict them reliably.
And for your information, I don't oppose the disarmament of Iraq. I don't oppose the dethronement of the Saddam regime. But the world has spoken and the world has said "not yet". We MUST listen to the rest of the world. That is exactly what pisses me off. I live with people's hatred of Americans every day, even in a peaceful place like Hong Kong. The fact that you're all cozy in your little American city, separated from the rest of the world gives you the false belief that diplomacy doesn't matter it does. And lack of diplomacy is going to cast far more American lives and far more innocent lives around the world than would be lost otherwise, in all the unpredictable 9/11s and embassy bombing scenarios imaginable. Look to Israel for proof! Ignoring the Palestinians, how many Israelis
have DIED since Sharon took hard line action compared to those who died during the age of diplomacy? Is this protecting the Israeli people? Hell no!
Because of this war, Americans will forever be afraid of terrorist attacks, but instead of unprovoked
attacks, they will be very much provoked. We are provoking terrorism. This is scaring the shit out of people. Who are we afraid of? The terrorists. But people are ignorant to the idea of who created those terrorists in the first place.
If you slap your kid around for being bad he may fight back one day. If you give him patience and understanding, no matter how bad a kid he is, he will be far less likely to murder you in your sleep, and some day, he may realize the example you've shown of the difference between right and wrong.
To paraphrase Bush Sr., It's Good and Evil, Right and Wrong
. I know the difference. Peace begets peace and war begets war.
Switzerland is one of the most resource rich, strategically well located countries in the world. How many times has it been attacked by terrorists? What about Qatar? They are rich beyond measure. They support trade with America. But they haven't been attacked. Kuwait? Well, (aside from those sadly killed in the Iraqi occupation) are they worse off now than they were before Saddam's unprovoked attack? Hell no. Some people were killed in Kuwait because they were unprepared for Iraq's attack. But had they provoked
Iraq, they would have been eliminated
I for one am more proud than ever to be an American. We finally have a President that has the BALLS to do what needs to be done. You can pretend that Saddam is not a threat all you want. Just because it isn;t on the news doesn't mean it isn't happening. Go ahead...go back your little pre-9/11 world, where the US has no effective response to terror and madman because it is afraid of how that response might look. You feel badly about being an American? I feel bad for those that have had to live with Saddam for their whole lives.
Saddam is a threat. But we are under much greater threat after this action. Can you deny that? Even with Saddam out of the picture, can we ever feel safe again? You might say we never felt safe, but can we claim to feel safer with him gone after we have waged an internationally condemned war without provocation? No we do not feel safer. We will never feel safer again.
All I hear is "Bush will...." and "Bush's war" and "Bush, Bush, Bush". Have you forgotten this list of nations that goverate posted:
I suppose we threatened them all?
How many of those countries are acting as representatives of their people's moral beliefs? Have you never been a "yes man" to your boss? Do you deny that "yes men" exist? Do you think any of these nations are not acting as "yes men" here? This is a unilateral action.