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In response to a public complaint by Google accusing Apple and Microsoft of a patent-wielding conspiracy to hold back its Android platform, Microsoft's general counsel has pointed out that Google rebuffed an invitation to join the consortium, apparently with the hope of obtaining all of the Novell patents for itself.

Google's attempt to publicly shame Apple, Microsoft, Oracle and other companies who either collect royalties from its Android licensees or have ongoing legal cases involving intellectual property disputes associated with Android made headlines Wednesday.

However, the CPTN consortium of companies (including Apple and Microsoft) that bid for the Novell patents are themselves competitors in the mobile space, but have stated that they jointly bid on the patents to prevent the portfolio of intellectual property from falling into the hands of a patent troll that could work to derail the entire industry with years of lawsuits.

Additionally, according to Brad Smith, the general counsel of Microsoft, Google refused to join the group bidding on the Novell patents, instead bidding separately for the collection of patents in hopes that it could win them all for itself, just as had earlier done on a portfolio of around 1,000 patents from IBM.

In a tweet, Smith stated, "Google says we bought Novell patents to keep them from Google. Really? We asked them to bid jointly with us. They said no."

Google's chief legal officer David Drummond took the similar Rockstar consortium to task for "escalating the cost of patents way beyond what theyre really worth," complaining that "Microsoft and Apples winning $4.5 billion for Nortels patent portfolio was nearly five times larger than the pre-auction estimate of $1 billion," without also noting that Google itself had been involved in raising the ultimate price of the patents far higher than any patent troll could ever pay, after refusing to join the consortium in the first place.

In describing Google's public denigration of the consortiums led by Apple and Microsoft and the company's depiction of the winning bids as being a concerted effort to attack Android, blogger John Gruber wrote "Googles hypocrisy here is absurd," and added, "Google supporters claim that Google only wants to use patents defensively. But what exactly does Google need to defend against, if not actual patents Android actually violates?"
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Oh Google.
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Oh Google.

Google is a disreputable company, run by slime-balls. This truth is plain for all to see, that is for anybody paying attention and who isn't sucking at their teet.

I doubt their plea for public opinion favor pans out, and I cherish the day when the courts decide against them.
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Google is a THIEF and a LIAR.

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Oh Google.

Oh DED.
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Google is a disreputable company, run by slime-balls. This truth is plain for all to see, that is for anybody paying attention and who isn't sucking at their teet.

I doubt their plea for public opinion favor pans out, and I cherish the day when the courts decide against them.

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Google is a THIEF and a LIAR.

Sad to see an admired company slowly devolve ethically. Although, it wasn't that slow, many years ago they already were planning infringement when developing Android, as court documents/ leaks are starting to show.

Now this Google lawyer blog post. Something is definitely fishy when a lawyer writes trying to sound like a hippie.
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The worst part is that the public is too stupid to realize Google is playing the victim, while it's very existence is due to it's software patents.

Google's karma is about gone, who suspects while they're screaming about this, they're figuring out how to buy software patents on the sly?
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Daniel, don't you mean Nortel? Novell's patents were sold quite a while ago, to a consortium that included Apple, Microsoft and EMC, if I recall..
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Sad to see an admired company slowly devolve ethically. Although, it wasn't that slow, many years ago they already were planning infringement when developing Android, as court documents/ leaks are starting to show.

Now this Google lawyer blog post. Something is definitely fishy when a lawyer writes trying to sound like a hippie.

They have the ear of the White House. They are ramping up their demagoguery on the issue to try and get a political power play since they are currently losing by proxy with all the court actions against their licensees. We shall see if they retain their favored status in DC. Obama has thrown just about all his patrons under the bus so far, will Google be the next?
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Google employees say this kind of rubbish all the time. The breathtaking hypocrisy will probably go unchallenged in the main stream press because it makes inflammatory copy that garners clicks and energises their fanboy base.

Of course Google ruthlessly protects its own search IP to protect the advertising cash cow.

Hey Google don't be evil and open source all your search IP?

You know to accelerate innovation....
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In response to a public complaint by Google accusing Apple and Microsoft of a patent-wielding conspiracy to hold back its Android platform, Microsoft's general counsel has pointed out that Google rebuffed an invitation to join the consortium, apparently with the hope of obtaining all of the Novell patents for itself.
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Daniel, don't you mean Nortel? Novell's patents were sold quite a while ago, to a consortium that included Apple, Microsoft and EMC, if I recall..

No, the article is right, this is about the Novell patents. The news here is that Google complaining about Microsoft teaming up with Apple and others to screw over Android, is at its best hypocritical. Combined with the fact they are now trying to spin things to make it look like Google is against software patents even though they bid $3.14 billion for the same Nortel patents they are criticizing, makes this a small PR disaster.

Things can get even worse for Google though. They are slowly starting to realize they simply copied too much and innovated too little, leaving them liable to patent suits with no patents of their own to retaliate. At least companies like Apple and Microsoft innovated themselves in the smartphone race, so they have some pocket change to pay off the patents they infringe on (note that it's virtually impossible to create anything as complex as a smartphone without infringing on anyones patents these days). Google has nothing. Seeing that the whole business model behind Android is that Google can give it away for free, they are in big trouble. Of all the Android manufacturers, only 2 are actually profitable to any degree of significance, the rest is scraping the barrel to even break even. Imagine if they had to pay a $5 to $15 patent licensing fee for every handset sold, it would most likely mean most of them would start looking for alternatives...
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LOL how 2 tweets killed whatever stunt Google tried to pull

Today will forever be remembered as the day Google can't play the victim game anymore.
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Pie in Google's FACE. hahahha


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<<But Google's chief legal officer David Drummond subsequently took the consortium to task for "escalating the cost of patents way beyond what theyre really worth," complaining that "Microsoft and Apples winning $4.5 billion for Nortels patent portfolio was nearly five times larger than the pre-auction estimate of $1 billion," >>

Google accuses the consortium of driving the price up 4 times than the worth at 1 billion. But Google themselves drove it more than 3 times their claim of 1 billion - all by themselves. Hypocrites.
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Oh boy!
One would think that we already have seen it all...and here comes Goooogggooolll
Granted, evryone is trying to protect its teritory, and the cash. But, to try and decieve the public (with the knowledge that their whining will be sprad across every paper, TV and internet) that IS REALY low.
They bid $ 4 B to protect the consumers? give me a crow...
They took others' IP and gave it "free" so they can make money of it...to protect us??? Realy???
Oh thank you Google for standing in my corner...OOPS with your hand in my private info
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Google is an advertising company. They're in search so they can deliver ads. They're in email so they can deliver ads. They're in online docs so they can deliver ads.

They knew browsing was moving from computers to mobiles and were afraid they'd lose a way to deliver ads so they bought the company that was developing Android - knowing they'd give it away free just like Microsoft gave away Internet Explorer to get a massive market share and guarantee that they'll be able to deliver ads there too. They HAD to get into mobile.

They have tricked a lot of people into thinking they are a tech company - they are not - their business model and revenue source is advertising.

Do you really want a personal computer in your pocket that was created by an advertising company whose sole existence is dependent upon learning about you so they can target you through marketing? That bleeping crazy.
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Right now it's just a pissing contest between the boys. If there is truth to this, then Google should be publicly humiliated and put over coals. Google exhibited hypocrisy to the greatest extent and now looks like a whining, bratty little kid that thought there was an "i" in "Team".

They wanted the patents all to themselves. Just out of principle, I want Google sued to oblivion now!

Bring in the executioner!!
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Google is an advertising company. They're in search so they can deliver ads. They're in email so they can deliver ads. They're in online docs so they can deliver ads.

They knew browsing was moving from computers to mobiles and were afraid they'd lose a way to deliver ads so they bought the company that was developing Android - knowing they'd give it away free just like Microsoft gave away Internet Explorer to get a massive market share and guarantee that they'll be able to deliver ads there too. They HAD to get into mobile.

They have tricked a lot of people into thinking they are a tech company - they are not - their business model and revenue source is advertising.

Do you really want a personal computer in your pocket that was created by an advertising company whose sole existence is dependent upon learning about you so they can target you through marketing? That bleeping crazy.

Ya. But how much interest would a company like Apple have in developing its own platforms had Google not gotten into mobile?

Google was everywhere on the original iPhone. Then they stabbed Apple in the back and Google is slowly losing its presence on the iPhone.

Google could of had it all.

Same with Facebook.

They could have easily entered into advertising arrangements will Facebook but they instead decided to launch their own services like Wave and G+.
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Well said, MS (for once).
Instead of making endless comments (to the -already- converted), let's take action by switching our search engine pref. to Yahoo, or Bing, of all things.
If the public awareness of Google getting more and more evil, would pick up, and many people would avoid searching with Google, it would really hurt.
Of course, the ultimate weapon would be a Google blocker, because just removing Google from your own search prefs doesn't remove it from all those banners (with related Google search results that are obtained partly by spying on you) embedded in lots of web pages.

This said, I must admit that Google's web apps are getting nicer and slicker every day. Their GUI even starts approaching that of iWork apps. Just a coincidence, I guess .
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Ya. But how much interest would a company like Apple have in developing its own platforms had Google not gotten into mobile?

Google was everywhere on the original iPhone. Then they stabbed Apple in the back and Google is slowly losing its presence on the iPhone.

Google could of had it all.

Same with Facebook.

They could have easily entered into advertising arrangements will Facebook but they instead decided to launch their own services like Wave and G+.

The only thing apple would not have done is iAd which would have been a good thing.
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Are we of the same frequency??? Is it Nortel (mobile networks), not Novell (LAN specialist), that the consortium bought the patents which Google is bitching about that their Android may be in jeopardy?
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Well said, MS (for once).
Instead of making endless comments (to the -already- converted), let's take action by switching our search engine pref. to Yahoo, or Bing, of all things.
If the public awareness of Google getting more and more evil, would pick up, and many people would avoid searching with Google, it would really hurt.
Of course, the ultimate weapon would be a Google blocker, because just removing Google from your own search prefs doesn't remove it from all those banners (with related Google search results that are obtained partly by spying on you) embedded in lots of web pages.

This said, I must admit that Google's web apps are getting nicer and slicker every day. Their GUI even starts approaching that of iWork apps. Just a coincidence, I guess .

Even better is a plugin, or MS/Apple opt in thing (so it is platform universal) that detects google placed ads and replaces them with ones from their own networks.
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Microsoft and Apple are evil. Yeah. I like them being evil. At least they are opened and admit they are partly evil.

But Google does evil while saying they are the righteous. That makes them even more evil.
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Are we of the same frequency??? Is it Nortel (mobile networks), not Novell (LAN specialist), that the consortium bought the patents which Google is bitching about that their Android may be in jeopardy?

After reading the article one should read the comments before commenting ;-
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post #26 of 87
So Google's argument is invalid because they didn't collude with MSFT to bid on the the Novell patents which were eventually sold to Microsoft, Apple, EMC and Oracle in December 2010 for 450 million, and then went on to not place an individual bid at all?



AI even reported on this last year

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The apparent acquisition of Novell patents is not to be confused with a patent sale from a very different, but similarly named company, Nortel.

Maybe AI should follow its own advice.
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Is it Novell or Nortel?
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Is it Novell or Nortel?

The MS email refers to the Novell patents (a given since it's dated October, at which point the Nortel patents weren't even on sale), of which Google didn't even attempt to bid for.

Kudos to MSFT though, it's a great sleight of hand.
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It was already public knowledge that Google had placed an initial $900 million bid for the Novell patents, then upped its bid to more than $3 billion before ultimately losing to the consortium's $4.5 billion bid.

This is obviously supposed to be Nortel here. This article is very confusing.
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To google, the only true, honest, pure, noble, and good way to make money is by selling advertising. The idea of one person paying another for creating something useful is twisted and wrong. If you want to get paid for creating something useful, the Right way is to sell advertising space on your useful thing, using google as the middle man between you and the advertiser. That's how God intended. Oh, and if someone copies the thing you made, and also tries to make money off of it by selling advertising using google as the middle man, then it is sinful for you to feel jealousy in your lustful heart. For truly the only value in a thing lies solely in it's ability to maximize the holy ad revenue.

Those things you call "patents" and "copyrights" interfere with the maximization of the holy ad revenue. They are wicked things, devised by wicked men.

Sinners, repent!
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I'm confused, are the Novell patents the same as the Nortel patents? Or is it a departs case?
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This is obviously supposed to be Nortel here. This article is very confusing.

yeah I agree. That surely pointed to Nortel. WTH going on here???
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I already use Bing 90 percent of the time. Most of the time its results are comparable to Google. I also like how Bing allows you to earn points using it, which you can redeem for things like X-BOx points.



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Well said, MS (for once).
Instead of making endless comments (to the -already- converted), let's take action by switching our search engine pref. to Yahoo, or Bing, of all things.
If the public awareness of Google getting more and more evil, would pick up, and many people would avoid searching with Google, it would really hurt.
Of course, the ultimate weapon would be a Google blocker, because just removing Google from your own search prefs doesn't remove it from all those banners (with related Google search results that are obtained partly by spying on you) embedded in lots of web pages.

This said, I must admit that Google's web apps are getting nicer and slicker every day. Their GUI even starts approaching that of iWork apps. Just a coincidence, I guess .
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Google complains that the patents got bid up to high, yet they helped bid them up. It's bad enough they engaged in a campaign of public WHINING, but now they've been caught in a lie.

You just hadda know a company that chose 'Don't Be Evil' as a slogan was just tempting fate. It's like a Greek Tragedy.
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It is NORTEL not Novell. Microsoft was talking about the Novell patents NOT the NORTEL patents... Microsoft didn't say anything about the NORTEL patents... who cares about the Novell patents, an archaic network OS that AFAIK is not even in use anymore... it is the NORTEL patents that are at issue here... Geez...

I wish authors would do some proofreading before they put their foot in their mouth for the world to see... Geez.... if Daniel Eran Dilger makes such obvious mistakes, I will have to stop reading him all together...
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It is NORTEL not Novell. Microsoft was talking about the Novell patents NOT the NORTEL patents... Microsoft didn't say anything about the NORTEL patents... who cares about the Novell patents, an archaic network OS that AFAIK is not even in use anymore... it is the NORTEL patents that are at issue here... Geez...

I wish authors would do some proofreading before they put their foot in their mouth for the world to see... Geez.... if Daniel Eran Dilger makes such obvious mistakes, I will have to stop reading him all together...

I was just gonna post this.. Nortel and Novell are completely separate beasts...

Google made its bed and sought to undermine the whole industry by giving away a subsidized operating system (Note I said subsidized, not free) to the carriers to use instead of Windows Mobile Platform. In return, Google collects information that it can use to sell advertising to companies.

Its a great model for Google but is highly anti competitive in itself... because they are using other lines of business to support the development of the OS instead of generating revenue to offset the R&D costs.

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It is NORTEL not Novell. Microsoft was talking about the Novell patents NOT the NORTEL patents... Microsoft didn't say anything about the NORTEL patents... who cares about the Novell patents, an archaic network OS that AFAIK is not even in use anymore... it is the NORTEL patents that are at issue here... Geez...

I wish authors would do some proofreading before they put their foot in their mouth for the world to see... Geez.... if Daniel Eran Dilger makes such obvious mistakes, I will have to stop reading him all together...

Perhaps simply responding to headlines is a symptom of the modern media age but reading more often helps. Here is the original Tweet from Brad Smith, not I should add, written by DED.

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Google says we bought Novell patents to keep them from Google. Really? We asked them to bid jointly with us. They said no.
12 hours ago via web

This from MacRumors (I hope it is OK to quote MR here?) helps explain both Nortel and Novell are in the mix. However DED was correct in quoting Brad Smith as shown above. http://www.macrumors.com/2011/08/03/...ainst-android/

"Google believes Microsoft, Oracle, Apple and other companies are waging a "hostile, organized campaign against Android" though "bogus patents", according to a post on the Official Google Blog:
They’re doing this by banding together to acquire Novell’s old patents (the “CPTN” group including Microsoft and Apple) and Nortel’s old patents (the “Rockstar” group including Microsoft and Apple), to make sure Google didn’t get them; seeking $15 licensing fees for every Android device; attempting to make it more expensive for phone manufacturers to license Android (which we provide free of charge) than Windows Mobile; and even suing Barnes & Noble, HTC, Motorola, and Samsung. Patents were meant to encourage innovation, but lately they are being used as a weapon to stop it.
The post, written by David Drummond, Senior Vice President and Chief Legal Officer at Google, also attacks Microsoft and Apple's $4.5 billion winning bid for Nortel's portfolio (which is currently under investigation by the Department of Justice on antitrust grounds), saying the patent war is "escalating the cost of patents way beyond what they’re really worth." Google's final losing bid for Nortel's patent assets was around $4 billion.

A few weeks ago, it was rumored that Apple and Google were weighing competing bids for InterDigital, a mobile-technology firm that has an extensive wireless patent portfolio. That portfolio could sell for billions as well."
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Those Google people sure seem like a bunch of whiners and sissies.
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Those Google people sure seem like a bunch of whiners and sissies.

Let's hope they lose their ad-vantage
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post #40 of 87
Screw Google. They just should have stuck with search. At first, they were so much better than the competition, they killed them all. Instead of focusing on keeping ahead of those who figured our how to game PageRank, they stuck their fingers into random areas like YouTube and Picasa.

Now, Google searches are mediocre at best (when I started using Google in the 90's, the search results were so good, you'd think they were psychic.) They need to get back to basics instead of being a holding company for a bunch of various businesses.
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