OBAMA BIn laDEN: PAL'IN With TERRORISTS.

Originally Posted by MJ1970

You keep saying that like it's true or even makes logical sense.

Furthermore, you don't think that Democrats calling those who propose a different fiscal plan terrorists, jihadists and hostage takers is pretty much as low as someone can go?

Originally Posted by SDW2001



You're a real piece of work, Hands.

Originally Posted by trumptman

The downgrades haven't occurred because of the Republicans. They have occurred because the rating agency declared we needed try to borrow $4 trillion LESS than our projected revenue and spending growth across then next ten years and the $2.4 trillion in cuts which were equated with terrorism, hostage taking, etc. was deemed too little.

When you have a rating agency declaring you are doing too little and the little you did is being called extreme by the group that has no budget, no plan and no accountability for the years they completely held power and still largely hold power, then that is insanity to believe to the contrary.

You're blaming the feeder who refused to continue to feed the obese person 10,000 extra calories a day for the heart attack that happens soon after.

Originally Posted by trumptman

Why would anyone agree with it when it is delusional? Spending as a percentage of GDP is well beyond historical norms. The Democrats controlled both the Senate and the House from 2006 to 2010. They had the presidency and the Congress for two years. You get a few months into 2011 and somehow now it is all controlled by one small part of one party that narrowly controls one half of one part of Congress? Do you see the lunacy you are putting forward there? The Democratic Congress and President Obama extended the Bush tax cuts during the lame duck session of 2010. THEY EXTENDED THEM. To sit there and declare it is the Tea Parties fault months later is just lunacy. The cuts were set to expire. They extended them, an actual action contrary to the default state, and then complain that someone else didn't step up and raise the taxes.

The Democrats had not submitted a spending budget for years. Obama's plan couldn't be graded by the CBO because there wasn't a plan. A bunch of platitudes spoken in front of cameras isn't a plan. It was that or say sorry to the 98% of people he had promised to extend them to during his campaign.

The reality is that you can't keep spending what you don't have. No one has the type of money the government is spending. NO ONE! There are no rich people rich enough from whom to steal the money to balance the books. It isn't about 1% or 2% of this or that. Analysts would immediately take the Obama speeches and look at what amount would be saved by withdrawing a tax credit or benefit and it was miniscule every time. The amount of deficit spending in the next 10 years was $10 trillion dollars. That wasn't the total being spent, just the amount of overspending. $10 trillion dollars is about the entire GDP of the United States for one year (aka all economic activity). When what are BORROWING is every bit of work everyone does for one year and that isn't the full amount you need, that is a serious problem. It isn't one that can be fixed by taking more.

Originally Posted by MJ1970

I think I found the fundamental incorrect presupposition supporting your logic above.

Originally Posted by MJ1970

First, the US government wasn't going to default. That was just a Obamacrat spook story.

Second, the downgrade came because the deficit reduction did not go far enough and it didn't go far enough because the Obamacrats forced the deal into a corner do to their intransigence on spending.

You really can't see that?