Ignorant Scum Rioters Trash England (not banks this time) - Page 3

Double post.

For Christs sake mj stop it.

I don't hate the rich and have never hated the rich.

My own family in the UK is very wealthy, I'm not but I do fine. I'm tired of this crap.

You just said this, so of course you think I hate the rich- "your dearly held worldview which views the rich as greedy and evil..."


Can you guess who said this-

"I'm sure you've been watching this mess in Washington.
I'd like you to know how I feel about it.

I haven't voted for one of these lousy budget packages for years and I won't vote for this one.
It would raise taxes on the wrong people.

Unlike some folks around here I think everyone should pay their fair share. Including the rich.
We need to protect our seniors from Medicare cuts too.

I don't care if the President or Congressional leaders twist my arm. I won't support any deal that isn't a fair deal for the working families of Kentucky."

That's right, it was none other than Mitch McConnell, campaigning against a fundamentalist Republican back in 1990.

trumptman posted the link earlier- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXcI-..._order&list=UL

Yeah they can get a pair of f'ing trainers!

Levi's are for looters - http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011...ad-uk-violence

"Mark Borkowski, a PR and branding expert, said: "Talk about bad timing. This illustrates what brands have been doing associating themselves with gangster-type behaviour. It shows how far Levi's has come from the ad showing teen idol Nick Kamen in his underwear in a laundrette."

The ad on YouTube- http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=KT16DcHcjRA

Thank you.

"Richard Mannington Bowes, 68, died from head injuries days after the attack in Ealing, west London on Monday night.

He was pictured lying face down in a pool of blood after being assaulted while trying to stop youths setting fire to large rubbish bins across the green from the flat where he lived alone.

The suspect was held in west London on suspicion of murder, rioting and carrying out three burglaries, Scotland Yard said.

It has emerged that Mr Mannington Bowes was a recluse who was tormented by youths repeatedly urinating and throwing litter in the street outside his home.

He was placed on a life support machine but from the outset his condition was so serious that doctors did not believe he would pull through.

His estranged sister travelled down from her home in Derby yesterday, for a chance to say goodbye.

Neighbours said he was a man of “old-fashioned values” and had a history of confronting anti-social behaviour in the area, regularly reprimanding youths for littering in the alley outside his flat.

A friend and local businessman who was also attacked in the riots said Mr Mannington Bowes was a “harmless” and “lovely” man but he would often confront people. “He was the type of guy who was always asking people, 'Don’t put the rubbish there.’ He was always picking up rubbish and cleaning the road,” said the friend, who asked not to be named because he still feared reprisals by youths after his business was attacked and he suffered cuts to his face.

Another resident, Alastair Swinn, said Mr Mannington Bowes had told him off for smoking out of the window and dropping ash in the lane by their flats. “After that I got an ashtray,” he said.

Mr Mannington Bowes confronted stone-throwing youths on Monday night, but he was attacked and left for dead with a fractured skull.

Police were held back from reaching him by up to 100 youths throwing missiles, including bricks and chunks of paving slabs."
~ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...tched-off.html

Bullshit.

Here's how Glasgow, Scotland which has low education standards and high poverty, is reducing the crime and getting people back on track.

Part of the success has been caused by sending the worst and least likely to change people to jail. That results in those who were led astray having less peer pressure from the instigators to commit crimes.

England in the past has rejected these methods, staying removed from their lives, but now Cameron has said he is looking into adopting the same policies. There was virtually no violence in Scotland as England was trashed.

What the rioters did was wrong and completely unjustified, but the key to stopping this violence is to help people out of their nosedives and offer them hope-


"One of the most significant announcements is that the example of Strathclyde Police anti-gang strategy could be rolled out across the UK.

The operation targeting gangs in Glasgow has resulted in a 50% reduction in violent offending by those taking part. In a city with a stab rate on a par with New York that is some result.

The prosaically-named Community Initiative to Reduce Violence (CIRV) is itself a copy of the more bling-sounding Boston Ceasefire project which was ran in that US city from 1996 and had success too.

Both schemes made breakthroughs by talking to gang members, offering them an alternative, and getting them to confront the victims, the mothers, the surgeons and the cops that have to stitch back together the slashed lives of gang violence.

Quite simply the young gang members were told if they stopped the gang fights they'd have access to help with training, housing, education and community groups. If they carried on, they'd go to jail.

Four hundred gang members signed up in Glasgow - mostly pressurised through their parents - and violent offending among those who undertook the most intensive programme fell by 73%."
~ http://whitehall1212.blogspot.com/20...ssons-for.html

I just watched a 40 mins YouTube video of a street discussion in London right after the riots. I'm not sure if it offered any reasons why this new phenomena of widespread looting happened, but it gives a taste of what some people who were near the riots think. Here it is, though it can be difficult to hear all the views- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqA9-...layer_embedded

In part I think it was a power grab, the intention of which was to recruit others into the fold of criminality and gang life.

It's like they're saying to those just on the outside of their criminality-

"Look what we have", ie electronics, shoes etc, only normally affordable at a young age after months of work and saving.

"Look what power we have", ie, these streets are ours, everyone's scared of us.

This is what many of these people have been doing already, they've just upped the game, cast a wider net and now have one more tool to their belts.

It seems the cameras have done a great job at helping bring them to justice. If every time they riot they come under tougher laws and policing, they'll give up that tactic.

I heard on the radio earlier that a program that cost £10,000 a year helping vulnerable youths, saved £40,000 in policing and prison costs etc. Those who just want to cut money will only end up spending more later.

Finally some action in this town-

"Two men who posted messages on Facebook inciting other people to riot in their home towns have both been sentenced to four years in prison by a judge at Chester crown court.

Jordan Blackshaw, 20, set up an "event" called Smash Down in Northwich Town for the night of 8 August on the social networking site but no one apart from the police, who were monitoring the page, turned up at the pre-arranged meeting point outside a McDonalds restaurant. Blackshaw was promptly arrested."
~ http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/au...lls-men-jailed

I know plenty of people in the UK who have guns. Very few people here want more guns though. I dread to think what things would have been like if these degenerates had access to guns like in the US.

I don't own any guns and never have, so I'm not sure how all the laws work, but it's sure to be much harder than in the US to own one. I know that they're supposed to be locked away and they're pretty strict about that. I think if you were to look at the numbers of people who own guns here and how many they own it would be much lower than in the US. There are criminals with guns here, but most of these gang members here don't seem to have them. Perhaps a lot aren't old enough to legally have one and because of the limited numbers they are too expensive for them to buy illegally? They also aren't generally shooting each other, so they're not as needed for self preservation.

A few things from Wikipedia-

"The penalty for possession of a prohibited firearm without a certificate is a maximum of ten years in prison and an uncapped fine. Unauthorised possession of most kinds of firearm attract a mandatory minimum of five years.

Any person holding a Firearm or Shotgun Certificate must comply with strict conditions regarding such things as safe storage. These storage arrangements are checked by the police before a licence is first granted, and on every renewal of the licence. A local police force may impose additional conditions on ownership, over and above those set out by law.

The number of homicides per year committed with firearms has remained between a range of 49 and 97 in the 8 years to 2006. There were 2 fatal shootings of police officers in England and Wales in this period and 107 non-fatal shootings - an average of 9.7 per year over the same period.

By way of international comparison, in 2004 the police in the United States reported 9,326 gun homicides.
~ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_pol...United_Kingdom

"Nearly half of the nation’s 16,400 murder victims in 2005 were black, and the number of black men who were slain is on the rise.

Black people represented an estimated 13 percent of the U.S. population in 2005, the latest data available, but were the victims of 49 percent of all murders and 15 percent of rapes, assaults and other nonfatal violent crimes nationwide.

Most of the black murder victims — 93 percent — were killed by other black people, the study found. About 85 percent of white victims were slain by other white people.

National Urban League President Marc Morial, a former mayor of New Orleans, said the data reflect a trend that cannot be reversed by law enforcement alone. It will require changes in public education and a revival of federal summer jobs programs for economically disadvantaged young people, he said.

“The mixture of illegal drugs, easy access to handguns, and young men who feel locked out of economic opportunity is what these statistics reflect,” Morial said."
~ http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20203888.../#.TkwHiq7X9NU