10.7.1

When it comes out.


Good for them. They're missing out.

And it's unlikely we'll even see 10.7.1 since 10.7.2 is the one they're already working on.

Ignore that guy.

Its almost always a good idea to wait for .1 or .2 of an OSX release. Just be patient.

What's your reasoning behind that ?
For 25 years I've been keeping my Macs running the most recent version of the OS within weeks of their release. I've NEVER had a problem with .0 releases.
I can say the same thing about the few windows computers I've owned... the latest (including .0) releases work just as advertised.
If you're waiting for legacy application compatibility, well... that's not a fault with the OS, but with the maker of the App that doesn't work.

When you start spouting that unsupported BS about how .0 releases are nasty, that's when people start getting rude.
Support your claims or shut up. (rude enough? )

Yes, the benefits of OSX Lion 10.7.0 seem to more than outweigh any potential bugs or problems. I haven't encountered any so far. The only potential downside about upgrading now is using legacy software programs that haven't been optimised for Lion. At worst, they may crash, but you probably need an update from the software vendor not Apple. All in all, I'm finding Lion a slick and useful new OS. Should buy with confidence.

I guess you didn't read about this.

I have always waited for .1 or .2 releases for OSX major upgrades since Tiger except for SL. I got that one when it was released.

If you want to get it as soon as its released, have at it. For most users of moderate, or less than moderate, technical abilities or who don't want to spend a lot of time troubleshooting it has always been a common held belief that waiting for .1 or .2 release was a 'good' idea. You've been here long enough to know that many forum members hold this belief even if you don't.

Yes I understand that no software is bug free. But why not let some bugs get ironed out before adoption?

...is not necessarily a fact.

So I have to submit scientific proof to hold this belief?

Regardless of your position on this, many users will wait for a .1 or .2 update before upgrading. It doesn't hurt to do so. It also gives 3rd party SW vendors a chance to get their SW Lion compatible.

How in frick's name could you call that "rude"? Do you really expect us to know things we can't possibly know?


Except when it's not necessary. Like now.

Why wait till 7.3??? ... wouldn't it be better to wait till 7.5... or even 7.6 ???
Why are you even using OSX ?!?! ... it still has bugs here and there... you really should have stuck with MacOS7... it was pretty stable.

For christ's sake, it's not like this is a Beta release !!!

I hear that Windows 95 Service Pack 4 is pretty stable. Why not just go back to that?


Oh, or that. System 7 ROCKED.

You're disturbing. I have to end the sentence there to stay within the rules.

I just don't get all the vitriol and vinegar against those who wish to wait till .1 or .2 before adopting Lion.

It's not like they're slamming Lion as a weak upgrade.

Nothing wrong with waiting, if that's your choice... but short of some incompatible app, there's just no reason to avoid it.
I think the vitriol is aimed at those who claim it's not WORTH updating till the 163rd revision.

https://discussions.apple.com/thread...rt=15&tstart=0

wish I had waited. don't care if the problem is apple or adobe. either way its a problem with routine crashes.

hopefully by 10.7.1 apple or adobe will have fixed this.

It's Adobe. But then again, I don't care that you're having a problem if you're going to be so cavalier about it.


Having absolutely nothing to do with Adobe and making zero case for you to to have waited to buy Lion when you can just as easily download the Flash 11 beta, Click2Flash, and use HTML5 variants of everything so that you never see Flash content again.

The problem posts imply it's more than Adobe as problems occur with Quicktime and Youtube
as well as with Flash.

However, based on your note I have now downloaded the latest Flash and hope that will help.
Most of my crashes are with the BBC web site (one of the worlds most popular) and that does use a lot of flash.

Regardless of disturbingly large number of rude and non-informative remarks, the question is actually quite good, and I wish I had had a compiled list of potential problems before I decided to make the switch on my iMac. So, here are my reasons for putting off the upgrade on my newer and shinier MacBook Pro:

1. Missing the Spaces/Expose (no, Mission Control is NOT the same thing, esp. when you have your iMac hooked up to TV that is not always showing your secondary desktop)

2. Digital Audio Output Problems -- (apparently, this "feature" creeped back into 10.6.8, too: https://discussions.apple.com/thread...art=0&tstart=0 )

3. Kernel error: nstat_lookup_entry_failed: 2

4. Kernel error: IOSurface: buffer allocation size is zero -- If you claim to have built a rock-solid system, can you please explain me how come some 3rd party player/plugin/whatever may crush the browser, let alone the whole system? I mean, whatever it is that (those idiots at) Adobe messed up... So, I have to agree with Graham Reeves: "I (REALLY) don't care if the problem is Apple or Adobe!"

5. Full Screen -- Quick time renders my other display useless when playing something in full screen (it's the same for all other applications, but, while full screen is new feature for them, QuickTime actually had completely useful full screen feature before Lion)

6. Performance issues (on my iMac 2008) -- boot takes longer, animations are not that smooth (they were flawless in SL), and it feels twitchy at times

This is not a complete list, just those things that bother me virtually every day and remind me that I should have been more cautious with .0 release. Now, if you feel like you're "missing out" the Launchpad, natural scrolling, prettier UI, improved mail, or some other features not present in SL (what are they, exactly?) and that they outweigh all the shortcomings, knock yourself out.

Loss of Rosetta emulation killing off many older versions of applications which makes conversion expensive. Obvious if you read these forums, but not if you read Apple blurb or mainstream reviews.

Still onward and upward and by the way since installing the new version of Flash I have not had a crash so can see all the BBC video coverage of riots back in the UK.

Upgraded my MBA and had no problem. Then I upgraded my dad's iMac, which is a little over 2 years old, and it toasted the wi-fi connection from it that I use, while I'm visiting, to surf and get my e-mails. As of now, I can't get my e-mail without going through a 3g USB dongle- which I'm using right now because I've also lost access to tons of web-sites, which don't want to download on this glacial connection. Look through Apple's support commentaries for tons of examples like mine.

What is particularly exasperating is that I can't access Software upgrade. If I'm still here when, and I hope that it is very soon, the .1 upgrade comes out, I'll try going down to the Apple store to download it. If not, I just won't install Lion on my own iMac until I know this bug is fixed. BTW these are my 24th and 25th Macs and I had previously always downloaded system upgrades religiously and had bought new OSs as soon as they came out. Guessed I learned my lesson...

I've been using 10.7.0 quite a bit this past few weeks (Safari, Firefox, Mail, Mission Control, Keynote, Photoshop, VMWare Fusion Windows7, Evernote, iTunes, Skype, FaceTime, iCal, iPhoto, Numbers) and honestly there are no deal breakers for me.

Do you have anything mission critical or any known bugs that you think would hold you back? If not it's a nice upgrade.

Believe me, I was quite skeptical (you can see all my pre-launch posts were quite negative, I didn't think too much of Lion) and some things are a bit weird like the reverse scrolling (which I immediately changed back to normal) and some Mission Control glitches and occasional lags. But there's cool things like instant right-click dictionary/wiki lookup, autocorrect, Safari tab crashing control and much more.