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Samsung's chairman has instructed the company's top management to "strengthen Bada and focus on differentiating the quality of Samsungs smartphones" in order to compete with Apple's iOS and survive Google's acquisition of Motorola.

A report by Reuters noted that local media in Seoul, South Korea were informed by Kim Soon-taek, the head of the Samsung Group, that "Chairman Lee [Kun-hee] told top managers to come up with various measures including M&As to enhance software competitiveness."

Last month, Lee had encouraged Samsung managers to "boost software prowess, patent pools and talent," but that message has now broadened to include seeking out opportunities for mergers and acquisitions, which the company apparently sees as a faster track to building its software development skills.

A more pointed report by South Korean newspaper Dong-a Ilbo stated that Samsung's chairman "urged his company`s executives to strengthen Samsung`s smartphone operating system Bada in responding to Google's takeover of Motorola Mobility."

Lee was said to have convened a meeting with the company's vice chairman Choi Ji-seong, wireless division chief Shin Jong-kyun, image display division head Yoon Bu-keun, home appliances division vice president Hong Chang-wan, and IT solution division vice president Nam Seong-woo.

Following a briefing on the potential outcomes of Google's purchase of Motorola and an update on Samsung's ongoing patent litigation with Apple, Lee reportedly "urged them to strengthen Bada and focus on differentiating the quality of Samsungs smartphones."

It added that "senior Samsung executives are known to have agreed on significantly expanding the number of talented software developers and emphasized the companys technology prowess in hardware."

Bada bing

Samsung is primarily a hardware manufacturer, but began work to develop its own Bada mobile software platform for powering its line of Wave smartphones last year, an effort intended to move its simpler embedded feature phone business into more powerful and profitable smartphone capable of running "Samsung Apps."

Samsung's Bada-powered phones launched with greater success than Microsoft's entire Windows Phone 7 ecosystem, which Samsung also participated in as a licensee. According to Canalys, Samsung sold 3.5 million Bada phones in Q1 2011 and then 4.5 million in Q2, compared to a total of just 2.5 million Windows Phone 7 models in Q1 and only 1.5 million more in Q2.

Despite owning its own platform, Samsung has focused much of its efforts on Android, with a popular Galaxy line of smartphones (hardware siblings to its Bada-based Wave phone) and a series of Galaxy Tab tablets. Last December, Samsung adapted its Galaxy smartphone to be sold with Google branding as the "Nexus S," the first phone to run Android 2.3 Gingerbread.

Samsung has become the second largest smartphone maker after Apple, and is the largest Android licensee. Following news of the Google acquisition of Motorola, the company publicly stated, "Samsung welcomes Googles acquisition of Motorola Mobility, which we believe will provide intellectual property protection for the Android ecosystem. We do not expect this to have any impact on our mobile business.

Intense potential impact on Samsung's mobile business

If Samsung were to rapidly shift its focus toward Bada, it would decimate the market share of Google's Android platform, forcing Google to focus even more of its resources on building integrated phones with Motorola and further alienating smaller Android licensees such as HTC and ZTE.

The move might result in an entirely different mobile landscape, with Apple, Samsung, RIM, and HP all promoting their own mobile platforms while Google focuses on integrated products with Motorola and Microsoft works closely with Nokia.

Such a move by Samsung could also bring it into patent contention with Google and Motorola Mobility, the latter of which already threatened to bring patent action against other Android licensees and is currently engaged in patent lawsuits with Apple and Microsoft.

Google could threaten offensive use of its new patents acquired in the purchase of Motorola Mobility in an effort to prevent Android licensees like Samsung from leaving the program.

At the same time, Samsung faces litigation from Apple claiming that many of its products, including the Galaxy S, Nexus S, Epic 4G and Galaxy Tab, are "slavish" copies of Apple's own products.

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* For those who haven't had the pleasure of driving there -- A Tucson turn is where, at the last possible minute, you pull out of, say, a Wal-Mart parking lot at 30 mph -- directly into the center lane because you want to make a u-turn 3 miles down the road -- and lane changes are unsafe... Once in the center lane, you slow down to a prudent 15 mph...
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Samsung would be a very nice acquisition for Apple, no? Of course, it would require stock. Not enough cash on hand to pull that one off.
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Google could threaten offensive use of its new patents acquired in the purchase of Motorola Mobility in an effort to prevent Android licensees like Samsung from leaving the program.

It couldn't happen to a more deserving company.
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Google could threaten offensive use of its new patents acquired in the purchase of Motorola Mobility in an effort to prevent Android licensees like Samsung from leaving the program.

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It couldn't happen to a more deserving company.

Allemande left and sue your partner... Dos y Dos and Do No Evil..

Now, Sit down, STFU and tell me why you don't love me!
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Samsung would be a very nice acquisition for Apple, no? Of course, it would require stock. Not enough cash on hand to pull that one off.

No, but Apple could support Sammy by licensing patents to protect them against Moogle -- while, at the same time pursuing their own suits against Sammy on other patents.
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Am I the only one in love with the fact that they have a newspaper called Dong-a Ilbo in South Korea?
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This is completely unsurprising. Samsung would be crazy not to have a contingency plan.

As far as speculation that Google could potentially sue Samsung for patent infringement - sure, it's possible but how many times has Google sued another company for patent infringement? Never.

I don't think anything much will come of this acquisition in terms of global market share. iOS will hold their roughly 20%, Android will continue to gobble up Symbian and Blackberry and pass 50%, and Samsung will continue to be the top Android manufacturer.
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Android is doomed! (TM)
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Seems like Google did not tell their biggest Android partner what they were doing.

Larry Page: "No no Chairman Kun-hee Lee. We are not buying Motorola to compete with you, we are buying them to help you. Really!"
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Android is doomed! (TM)

IMO, the best way forward is:

1) Google cancels the MMI deal and pay the $2.5 Billion Alienation of Affections penalty

2) Google sweetens the pot and buys Android and its partners freedom from MMI lawsuits for any existing and pending MMI patents,

3) Google tries to mend fences with Android partners

So, Google is out, say, $4 Billion (over time) and has bought itself and Partners some protection from IP lawsuits

Maybe, the best of a bad deal... Larry is young, inexperienced, and takes a Mulligan
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If Samsung were to rapidly shift its focus toward Bada, it would decimate the market share of Google's Android platform, forcing Google to focus even more of its resources on building integrated phones with Motorola and further alienating smaller Android licensees such as HTC and ZTE.

More likely it would decimate Samsung's market share. I can't see Bada going anywhere. There are already too many smartphone OSes (iOS, Android, QNX, Windows Phone, WebOS). Not all of these will survive. Developers are not going to support them all. Yet another OS is simply going to get lost in the crowd.

The true advantage of Android for Samsung is it can be customized so Samsung can make Android phones that look nothing like those from Motorola and the other Android licensees. There is no need for a separate OS.
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Next move is a search engine from Samsung called "Boom" to go with Bada ... As and alternative to Bing.

Did they register 'smartphoens' as a trade name?

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Am I the only one in love with the fact that they have a newspaper called Dong-a Ilbo in South Korea?

Gotta' be careful with names... believe me I know,

Reminds me of a ComputerFaire presentation in the early 1980s... At the time, there was no MS Office -- the best WP was a dedicated WP computer called the Wang -- they sold millions.

Anyway, Guy Kawasaki* (then Apple Evangelist) is on this panel discussion on the state of computing (or some such).

When it's Guy's turn to give his preso... he makes a comparison of "a guy with his Apple in one hand and his Wang in the other+,,,

My wife, Lucy, called him Guy Kawabunga-- and the name kinda' stuck within our crowd
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More likely it would decimate Samsung's market share. I can't see Bada going anywhere. There are already too many smartphone OSes (iOS, Android, QNX, Windows Phone, WebOS). Not all of these will survive. Developers are not going to support them all. Yet another OS is simply going to get lost in the crowd.

The true advantage of Android for Samsung is it can be customized so Samsung can make Android phones that look nothing like those from Motorola and the other Android licensees. There is no need for a separate OS.

You make some good points!

But, there may be another alternative -- like Amazon is apparently considering, Sammy could Fork Android, possibly settle (license) with Oracle... then offer its own, Superior Android variant.
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Samsung and "differentiate" don't quite belong in the same sentence.

MS is already having a hard enough time getting consumers to give a damn about WP7 after almost a year. No one really cares about it - in fact according to the numbers we're seeing they care about it even less *now* than a few months ago.

What incentive is there to try and care about yet another platform? Samsung an OS-maker?? Do they know what "user experience" means? Where is their software-hardware pedigree?

Bada? Where are the apps? Where is the cohesive ecosystem? Why should consumers be looking at this *instead* of Apple gear?

Because that's what all the rest are being compared to: Apple. Which is not a really fun comparison if you're not Apple.
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IMO, the best way forward is:

1) Google cancels the MMI deal and pay the $2.5 Billion Alienation of Affections penalty

2) Google sweetens the pot and buys Android and its partners freedom from MMI lawsuits for any existing and pending MMI patents,

3) Google tries to mend fences with Android partners

So, Google is out, say, $4 Billion (over time) and has bought itself and Partners some protection from IP lawsuits

Maybe, the best of a bad deal... Larry is young, inexperienced, and takes a Mulligan

Motorola wouldn't sell just the patents. Motorola made Google buy the whole of MMI -- or nothing.

Remember that part of this was precipitated by Motorola threatening patent lawsuits for all of Google's other Android partners.

Google was PLAYED!

Helluva trial by fire for Larry, though. Bet he longs for the day when it was only about "free" software and ad revenues from web search.

But, hey, really, how hard can hardware be for a software company?

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Motorola wouldn't sell just the patents. Motorola made Google buy the whole of MMI -- or nothing.

Remember that part of this was precipitated by Motorola threatening patent lawsuits for all of Google's other Android partners.

Google was PLAYED!

Helluva trial by fire for Larry, though. Bet he longs for the day when it was only about "free" software and ad revenues from web search.

But, hey, really, how hard can hardware be for a software company?

Yes, I understand that. What I was trying to say is that Google could license use of those patents for current Partners for $1.5 Billion over a few years.

MMI would retain ownership and the right to litigate.
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More likely it would decimate Samsung's market share. I can't see Bada going anywhere. There are already too many smartphone OSes (iOS, Android, QNX, Windows Phone, WebOS). Not all of these will survive. Developers are not going to support them all. Yet another OS is simply going to get lost in the crowd.

The true advantage of Android for Samsung is it can be customized so Samsung can make Android phones that look nothing like those from Motorola and the other Android licensees. There is no need for a separate OS.

1) Bada is already relatively successful (as this report points out, more successful than WP7). However, I don't see Bada doing well in Europe/North America. What I think will happen is that Samsung will target Bada towards its Asian markets, while targeting western markets with Android. At some point in the future, they will hope that Bada is mature enough that they can sell them in Europe/North America too.

2) Android is not as open as Google would like you to believe. And the problem with Android, for Samsung, is that their phones will ALWAYS be second class citizens to the Moogle version, so there would be little to no reason for someone to buy a Samsung over a Moogle. Is there any other instance where a company has done well selling products based on a competitor's platform? How much differentiation is it possible to provide, in such an instance?
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LMAO here. All I can say, is, I told you so.

Barely a few days after "Oh, all the Android partners are 100% behind Google taking over Moto to 'strengthen Android for everyone', coz we're free and wonderful and open and Microsoft and Apple are the evil ones'.

Like I said, what sane manager would not want to have alternatives in light of your partner becoming your competitor, even if they cry otherwise.
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More likely it would decimate Samsung's market share. I can't see Bada going anywhere. There are already too many smartphone OSes (iOS, Android, QNX, Windows Phone, WebOS). Not all of these will survive. Developers are not going to support them all. Yet another OS is simply going to get lost in the crowd.

The true advantage of Android for Samsung is it can be customized so Samsung can make Android phones that look nothing like those from Motorola and the other Android licensees. There is no need for a separate OS.

Apple would love for Samsung to drop out of the Android coalition and switch to Bada. They would then have to start over on a new ecosystem, app store, etc.

Look at HP's flailing attempts to sell tablets. Look at RIM's failings. Look at Microsoft's market share. All of this fragmentation into different competitive camps is good for Apple.
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Next move is a search engine from Samsung called "Boom" to go with Bada ... As and alternative to Bing.

Did they register 'smartphoens' as a trade name?

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Samsung would be a very nice acquisition for Apple, no? Of course, it would require stock. Not enough cash on hand to pull that one off.

Not a chance. First, only a tiny portion of what Samsung does is unrelated to anything Apple does or wants to do. Second, even the portion that might be in Apple's domain is a commodity, undifferentiated product - which would not be of interest to Apple.

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This is completely unsurprising. Samsung would be crazy not to have a contingency plan.

As far as speculation that Google could potentially sue Samsung for patent infringement - sure, it's possible but how many times has Google sued another company for patent infringement? Never.

I don't think anything much will come of this acquisition in terms of global market share. iOS will hold their roughly 20%, Android will continue to gobble up Symbian and Blackberry and pass 50%, and Samsung will continue to be the top Android manufacturer.

If Samsung realizes that they're in such bad shape, they might end up competing with RIM to buy the Motorola handset business. In fact, it would even be conceivable that Samsung would buy ALL the hardware stuff from Google, although a lot less likely.

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IMO, the best way forward is:

1) Google cancels the MMI deal and pay the $2.5 Billion Alienation of Affections penalty

2) Google sweetens the pot and buys Android and its partners freedom from MMI lawsuits for any existing and pending MMI patents,

3) Google tries to mend fences with Android partners

So, Google is out, say, $4 Billion (over time) and has bought itself and Partners some protection from IP lawsuits

Maybe, the best of a bad deal... Larry is young, inexperienced, and takes a Mulligan

1. Not going to happen. Google is incapable of admitting it made a mistake - especially when it would cost them $2.5 B.

2. Not clear how Google could do that. If Motorola were willing to consider that, they would have done it before. Google's cost would have been whatever Motorola wants for licenses plus $2.5 B plus whatever they sweeten the pot with. It would have been cheaper to have done that in the first place - and Google undoubtedly considered it.

3. The only way for Google to mend fences with Android partners would be to sell the handset division (but keeping the intellectual property) and then offering all Android partners a royalty free license. I suspect strongly that this was the plan all along and that Google is currently negotiating with at least one of the current handset vendors. I would bet on RIM, but wouldn't count Samsung out.
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No, no, no. Samsung - there is no way to "strengthen Bada". Is a waste of resources, and a huge one at that. Samsung will never drop android, at least not in the foreseeable future. Even if google makes their own phones on permanent basis with Moto, there is no point of dropping android. Besides, there is absolutely no room left for #3 in this market. WebOS has seen that firsthand, and MS and Nokia will find out shortly. Just like in the PC days of yesterday, you are either an Apple, or you are not an Apple. Linux is an also ran, which is what I expect Bada, WP7, WebOS etc to all be.
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1) Bada is already relatively successful (as this report points out, more successful than WP7).

More successful than WP7? Almost everything is more successful than WP7. WP7 sets the benchmark so low it is physically impossible to even trip over it. The only reason Windows smartphone sales look even slightly healthy is all the old WM6.x phones that are still being sold.

WP7 is actually a great example of how hard it now is to launch a new smartphone OS. How much did MS spend on marketing? The odds are truly stacked against Samsung turning Baja into a major challenger to Android and iOS.

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2) Android is not as open as Google would like you to believe. And the problem with Android, for Samsung, is that their phones will ALWAYS be second class citizens to the Moogle version, so there would be little to no reason for someone to buy a Samsung over a Moogle.

Google makes their money from adverting. They therefore want Android to be as widely distributed as possible. Making Samsung a second class citizen does not help with that goal.

But of course if the worst does happen Samsung could complete diverge from the "official" version as Dick Applebaum mentioned. Continuing to work on Android does not close the door to forking the entire OS. There are a few core apps they need to build like email and they need to set up an AppStore. None of which is that hard and this way they'd have all the existing Apps as well as any new Apps developers write for the platform.
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Couldnt report it any better, well, you could but enough for today... Silly Googe!
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Yes, I understand that. What I was trying to say is that Google could license use of those patents for current Partners for $1.5 Billion over a few years.

MMI would retain ownership and the right to litigate.

If Google walks away from the deal with Motorola, then Motorola pockets $2.5b and still retains the ownership of MMI and their patents and immediately goes back to suing the other Android hardware manufacturers. That's a given.

No, if Google is going to "put up or shut up", they're going to have to give that licensing away. And destroy key parts of that MMI IP they paid $12.5b for in the process. If they try license it to the other Android hardware manufacturers, who of them is going to pay for it? How can Google make them pony up? Sue them? For patent infringement?

Google will have to give away licensing for Android phones and then turn around and try to sue those same partners for any non-Android phones they sell. Then the act of giving away the IP for Android phones becomes anti-competitive behavior in the FTC's eyes.

I think Larry and company have had too much come to easy; they appear to be wholly unprepared for the real world.

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You make some good points!

But, there may be another alternative -- like Amazon is apparently considering, Sammy could Fork Android, possibly settle (license) with Oracle... then offer its own, Superior Android variant.

Here's a problem with that, who wants to develop for a fork when you can keep developing for regular Android that would still remain the majority of the market on backs of nameless cheap phones and possibly super awesome Nexus - M (for moto).

Unless... ZTE forks android in china and Samsung joins in on that. Then they have a chance of surpassing the official google in terms of users and therefore developers, at least in Asia. And we all know that Asia will rule the next century so that might not be a bad idea.
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If Google walks away from the deal with Motorola, then Motorola pockets $2.5b and still retains the ownership of MMI and their patents and immediately goes back to suing the other Android hardware manufacturers. That's a given.

No, if Google is going to "put up or shut up", they're going to have to give that licensing away. And destroy key parts of that MMI IP they paid $12.5b for in the process. If they try license it to the other Android hardware manufacturers, who of them is going to pay for it? How can Google make them pony up? Sue them? For patent infringement?

Google will have to give away licensing for Android phones and then turn around and try to sue those same partners for any non-Android phones they sell. Then the act of giving away the IP for Android phones becomes anti-competitive behavior in the FTC's eyes.

I think Larry and company have had too much come to easy; they appear to be wholly unprepared for the real world.

Yeah... To all of that!

So, if you are Larry -- what would you do (everyone is watching)?
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Here's a problem with that, who wants to develop for a fork when you can keep developing for regular Android that would still remain the majority of the market on backs of nameless cheap phones and possibly super awesome Nexus - M (for moto).

A lot more than would want to develop for Bada. If you don't need the latest version of Android your app would happily run on both the forked and official versions of Android. That would enable Samsung to build up a large enough install base to justify developers using platform specific features. It woud also be very cheap to port apps from the official version to the forked version (much cheaper than trying to port to Bada).
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I think Larry and company have had too much come to easy; they appear to be wholly unprepared for the real world.

There is an alternative. The real world is unprepared for Larry. The Motorola deal is either brilliant or insane. There is no middle ground.
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Remember Moto used to have it's own 'backup plan' just like the article here suggests for Samsung? What did Moto end up doing?

I'm sorry but Korean companies are simply not innovative enough to do well with building a new OS. It just not going to happen, even though I'm sure OP really hopes Samsung to leave Android. If anything, Samsung would focus more on WP7 (but even that is remote).
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Yeah... To all of that!

So, if you are Larry -- what would you do (everyone is watching)?

I honestly don't know. The hardware side of that business is completely toxic to their partners. But they vastly overpaid for it.

Thinking out loud for a moment...

Maybe Google sells the hardware business -- including cross-licensing for all the patents -- at a massive loss (since the 60% premium over market value is gone and Google would've kept the patent assets). So they are selling a money pit stripped of it's most important assets including potentially even the branding. Who is going to step in an buy that business for anything but its salvage value? Who, besides Apple, is unable to keep up with demand for handset manufacturing capacity? Foxconn? Then you've sold off of one of your major partners for scrap. To build your competitor's products. If you sell it as a going concern, who's to say they can't keep the patent licensing for non-Android or Android-derivative products? Or turn around and sell themselves to HP, HTC, Samsung, etc. who could use it for the same purpose?

Did Google seriously not "war room" all these scenarios when they decided to buy MMI in the first place?

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There is an alternative. The real world is unprepared for Larry. The Motorola deal is either brilliant or insane. There is no middle ground.

Whatever Larry Page's next move turns out to be, It had better be brilliant.

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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

Gotta' be careful with names... believe me I know,

Reminds me of a ComputerFaire presentation in the early 1980s... At the time, there was no MS Office -- the best WP was a dedicated WP computer called the Wang -- they sold millions.

Anyway, Guy Kawasaki* (then Apple Evangelist) is on this panel discussion on the state of computing (or some such).

When it's Guy's turn to give his preso... he makes a comparison of "a guy with his Apple in one hand and his Wang in the other+,,,

My wife, Lucy, called him Guy Kawabunga-- and the name kinda' stuck within our crowd



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My guess is it will go down in history ranked up there, or down there, with:

Daimler Benz buys Chrysler, BMW buys Rover, and AOL buys Time Warner.
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Originally Posted by John.B View Post

I honestly don't know. The hardware side of that business is completely toxic to their partners. But they vastly overpaid for it.

Thinking out loud for a moment...

Maybe Google sells the hardware business -- including cross-licensing for all the patents -- at a massive loss (since the 60% premium over market value is gone and Google would've kept the patent assets). So they are selling a money pit stripped of it's most important assets including potentially even the branding. Who is going to step in an buy that business for anything but its salvage value? Who, besides Apple, is unable to keep up with demand for handset manufacturing capacity? Foxconn? Then you've sold off of one of your major partners for scrap. To build your competitor's products. If you sell it as a going concern, who's to say they can't keep the patent licensing for non-Android or Android-derivative products? Or turn around and sell themselves to HP, HTC, Samsung, etc. who could use it for the same purpose?

Did Google seriously not "war room" all these scenarios when they decided to buy MMI in the first place?



Whatever Larry Page's next move turns out to be, It had better be brilliant.

IMO, that's a good assessment... They're in the big leagues. They can get away with a failure -- if they admit (at least to themselves) that it happened, they learned from it... And they've moved on.

The big problem, as I see it, is that there is no customer for the hardware side of the business... They were were snookered.
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WOT... Way Of Topic

My daughter just read about the perfect name for a new book:

Allyson Wonderland.

After reflection we came up with:

Trudi Lookingglass.

... What's next?
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