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To call this crap misleading is being kind. I'll put it more plainly: It is just simply wrong. It has no support in fact. It is bullshit.

As such, it is irresponsible journalism.

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post #202 of 254
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Wow, now this is a real bummer.

I apparently was THE guy in the whole country that bought one of these, and i've only had it about a week. I bought it during HP's recent 'sale'.

I'd like to say that i'm pretty unhappy with HP at the moment, and I have to wonder about the business logic of this move. They didn't sell enormous volumes, but they sold enough of these things that there are a couple hundred thousand people out there who are not going to be very happy right now. If they are much like me, they are currently putting this device back into its box in preparation to send it back to HP, and they are likely making plans to never purchase another HP product as long as they live.

I mean really... put these things on sale, announce the price cut is permanent because consumers showed pleasing amounts of interest, and then kill the whole product line 1 week later, and barely more than a month after introduction? Absolutely horrendous.

HP has created some ill will with this that isn't going away overnight.

Regarding the device itself, I just have to say that WebOS truly is very nice. It suffers at the hands of its software, and it is pretty clear that HP rushed it to market. But it is sad that HP is so short sighted in this. A second round of better hardware would have gone a long way toward erasing the negative commentary.

I've got an Amazon RMA and this thing is headed back to Amazon ASAP.

What a sad, short life for something so promising; the buffoons at HP ought to be slapped.

I think you are seeing the results of a top-level decision made a while ago -- when it became clear that the TouchPad wasn't going to sell in its current incarnation. What, likely, happened then, was that the people responsible for the TouchPad convinced top management to give them another chance: reduce the price of current product, extend resellers; payment terms, clear the inventory and accelerate work on a follow-on. However, the price discount/reduction didn't goose sales and events overtook them:
--The BestBuy issue made it all public
--The upcoming Stockholders meeting
--They wouldn't be able to hide the devices in the channel as devices sold
--The disruptive changes planned for other parts of the company

The biggest thing, IMO, is the politics -- The new CEO was tasked with turning HP around, The PSG is not his area of expertise, He followed the "experts" advice and it didn't work. Lastly, this problem was created by his predecessors -- he had to end it or own it -- easy choice.

...then there is that "public vote of confidence" followed shortly with a "public crucifixion" thing.
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post #203 of 254
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I agree - it is dead.

I happen to be one of the unfortunate people who have one of these devices (and an iPad), and I just have one quibble with what you've said: the OS is really quite nice, and in some ways more enjoyable to use than iOS. It has some features, like Synergy, which are really awesome, and it had a delightful notification system well before Apple bundled something similar into the as yet unreleased iOS 5.

WebOS, in my opinion, is a victim of corporate stupidity, not of its own failings. Bluntly, HP killed WebOS... by pairing it with a hardware offering that was terribly lack luster and by rushing it into the market before they had ironed out most of the bugs in version 3. They also didn't put as much effort into an ecosystem as they should have (although the HP App Catalog is much nicer than the Android store, and is almost as nice IMHO as the App Store) - I still con't quite understand who so many iOS competitors can't see how important this is. So, HP simply screwed up terrifically, and now they aren't willing to pair their mistake with an honest effort to correct - instead they are screwing over the consumers who bought these devices, their channel partners, etc. Brilliant business decision making - NOT.

I'm not sure I remember a single product released and then cancelled quite so quickly. I'll say this: it also has cancelled any future purchases of HP products from myself. I've already RMA'd this thing for its return flight to Amazon.

Very sad.

Some things about it are nice, but overall, it's not that great. The average person doesn't want to be bothered learning it, and it does have a steeper learning curve than iOS. That's true of Honeycomb as well.

It has its limits as has been pointed out by the reviewers. Unfortunately, a product has to be pretty good out of the starting gate these days. The standards have risen because of Apple. Good enough no longer wins the race, or even comes in the money.

I'll point out again that this wasn't HPs' fault. The product line was dead before they bought the company, and the Touchpad was developed by Rubenstein and his team from Palm. They were the ones who screwed it up. HP supplied support, money and marketing to get the interest up. But the products were flawed from the get go, and nothing any company could have done would have saved it.
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Originally Posted by AppleGreen View Post

My guess is that Samsung buys it and dumps Android.

That's a joke, right?
post #205 of 254
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Originally Posted by MacTel View Post

I'm completely shocked to be honest. I thought the WebOS had legs and HP would find itself competing head on with Microsoft and Apple. This seems like a desparate measure at least on the WebOS front. I understand dropping the PC business though their system were pretty nice. Well, good luck with your new direction HP.

WebOS was supposed to be used in their printers too. What will they do with their printer division?

Good question. Some thinking is that it logically follows with the computer division. At one tine, all of HPs' profits were from ink sales.
post #206 of 254
Rip palm. Perhapsnrubenstein should come back to apple and help apple with a major design overhaul of iOS UI.
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All he has to do is offer to suspend minimum wage, occupational health and safety, and environmental laws and allow them to pay zero tax and they might consider it.

Edit: I think Foxconn just bought Cisco's set-top box plant in Juarez, so if they wanted to assemble iPads there, NAFTA would allow them to be imported into the US without tariff and worker and environmental protections are much weaker also. Maybe Jerry can try to get Foxconn execs a date with Linda Ronstadt or something.

Ha!

You know your Gov. Moonbeam!

I never thought I'd say this but The Gov is trying, he has some reasonable ideas, and seems to be getting things done ... He's not your Earl Warren or Goodie Knight, tho

We moved to CA from Tucson (then there and back again) Every third person and politician in Tucson is named Ronstadt.
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post #208 of 254
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Rip palm. Perhapsnrubenstein should come back to apple and help apple with a major design overhaul of iOS UI.

Yeah, just what we need. The guy responsible for the disaster at Palm comes back to Apple to engineer a disaster there.
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Ha!

You know your Gov. Moonbeam!

I never thought I'd say this but The Gov is trying, he has some reasonable ideas, and seems to be getting things done ... He's not your Earl Warren or Goodie Knight, tho

We moved to CA from Tucson (then there and back again) Every third person and politician in Tucson is named Ronstadt.

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post #210 of 254
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Rip palm. Perhapsnrubenstein should come back to apple and help apple with a major design overhaul of iOS UI.

We have iOS 5 beta running on an iP4, 2 iPad 2s and an iPad 1. There have been intermittent issues, but no show-stoppers.

It really is a very nice OS -- the iP4 with iOS 5 does everything that i want a phone to do, and more.

It also does everything well on both versions of iPads -- but, I want Apple to keep pushing the envelope on the iPad, more, faster, better, smoother...

When iOS 5 and iCloud arrive this fall, I suspect that iPads will solve the computer needs for many households... no tethering needed!
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post #211 of 254
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I am thinking out loud here.

With recent events it appears that the iPad may not get any meaningful competition for another 6-12 months (or longer).

Apple's CFO, at the last earnings call forecast lower gross margins for this quarter because of a product transition,

It doesn't look like that will be an iPad 3 with a Retina Display and/or an A6 CPU.

It doesn't appear that the iPhone 5 will be out in time to have any major downward effect on GPM.

iPods, Macs, AppleTV?

Nah!


What if Apple does this:

1) Bumps the RAM and SSD size on the iPad (especially the largest model)
2) Adds Thunderbolt and USB/FW access
3) replaces the various cell radio chips with a 3G/LTE world radio chip
4) FFF -- Furnishes a Fine Finder-like App
5) Robustifies iPad Pages, Numbers and Keynote bring them into line with iWork and Office
6) keeps the prices level the same except a new high-end model.

This would definite have a downward effect on GPM but would eliminate a lot of SKUs -- 2 WiFi only and WiFi + Cell in each Model.

It would, likely, push the date for meaningful competition to 18 months.

Nothing I've seen or read about comes close to iOS 5 on an iPad 2 (or even an iPad 1).

That could be game, set and match!

The industry is a pendulum.
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I think AI should update their style guide so that the picture of Apple's new "spaceship" is appended to every article, sort of like a halo. The juxtaposition is amplified when the article in question has nothing to do with the new Apple HQ, for example, when talking about the demise of HP's webOS division.

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post #213 of 254
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True, but HP isn't offering competition. They suck at what they do. That's like the Pittsburgh Steelers playing a local high school football team.

True competition comes from innovation and balls. HP has neither. Nobody is willing to put what it takes into coming up with new ideas and new ways of doing things. They'd rather copy Apple and come up with cheap crap. Don't make the mistake of calling that competition.

Not really.

They do make some cheap crap, but they also do nice high-end business units, like Elitebooks, and consumer Envy line is not bad at all.

Elitebooks in particular are nice units, solid industrial design, metal chassis... they are not as slim as MacBooks but they are built to comply military standards regarding dust, shock, moisture... and they are really reliable. In addition, they are easy to maintain - most of their bottom is under one big removable cover so once it is open, you have access to HDD, RAM, WLAN, BT and broadband modules, even fan is exposed so it's easy to clean dust and dirt from it.

They also all come with default 3 year nbd on-site warranty, at least here in NZ.

We have couple of 14 and 15" units in our office, and even 14" i7 with dedicated grafics never gets too loud or two hot.

I believe this article is bogus, or out of context. I wouldn't be surprised if they spin-off some parts of their business (mobile hardware, Compaq...), but giving up on PCs in general? It's one of their core businesses, their bread and butter.
post #214 of 254
Rubbing sand in it...

HP forgot to cancel the TouchPad TV ad promotions, while cancelling the TouchPad, itself...

...it appears that HP doesn't know what it is doing... And, to whom!
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post #215 of 254
I wish Agilent, the original part of the company, could take back the Hewlett-Packard name.
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Hewlett Packard, the world's largest PC maker, has announced plans to spin off its PC business and scrap its recently acquired webOS smartphone and TouchPad tablet business to focus on software and services.

According to a report by Bloomberg, HP "has been aiming to lessen its dependence on lower-margin PCs, where growth has stalled as consumers flock to tablet-style computers like those made by Apple."

Right. So HP's strategy to capitalise on the consumers "flocking" to tablet computers is to NOT make tablet computers anymore.

WTF is wrong with large corporations? Are they so removed from consumer reality that they have no idea what's happening anymore?
post #217 of 254
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

We have iOS 5 beta running on an iP4, 2 iPad 2s and an iPad 1. There have been intermittent issues, but no show-stoppers.

It really is a very nice OS -- the iP4 with iOS 5 does everything that i want a phone to do, and more.

It also does everything well on both versions of iPads -- but, I want Apple to keep pushing the envelope on the iPad, more, faster, better, smoother...

When iOS 5 and iCloud arrive this fall, I suspect that iPads will solve the computer needs for many households... no tethering needed!

I am enjoying ios5 as well. But u gotta admit the UI with stripes is 4 years old and can be refreshed a bit. I'm not saying turn it into webos, I'm saying the stripes gotta go.
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post #218 of 254
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This is the kind of news that you should expect on April's Fools Day.


First of all, you don't give up the No. 1 position among computer builders.

Second, HP is known for its computers and printers, not the quality of its software which is, at best, mediocre.

Third, any company (like IBM, Dell, etc.) can offer its services and there is no need to divest itself of its hardware design and manufacturing component.

Fourth, to abandon computer hardware design and manufacturing goes against the tradition and almost 100 years of history at Hewlett Packard.

Fifth, computer hardware design and manufacturing is making money for Hewlett Packard. There is no need to abandon a successful business making money for a new venture.


Finally, computer hardware design and manufacturing is such an important part of Hewlett Packard that it cannot be abandonned by the Board of directors of Hewlett Packard unless they get approval by 2/3 of the shareholders of every class in value and number.

April's Fools Day comes early this year. Or it comes for a second time this year.



This is what happens when in my opinion you hire a bunch of hacks that have more expertise in corporate mergers and spin offs than in engineering and science. hp was infamous for bleeding edge electrical engineering and technological advances. When they spun off Agilent and became just a computer company , they sold off the very core of hp that made the brand famous, the stuff that creates new products and new markets. I'm sure the quarterly earnings boost resulted in juicy over bonuses for those who crafted it, those who brokered the shares, and those who received the commissions, special cash out transactions and origination fees...... Alas like any bell curve would tell you, the PC business and by extension the wireless still borns that link their existence to the PC experience, these tablets will all eventually end up on internet auction sites or crated up and donated to some charitable cause somewhere on the planet. Doubling down on that strategy by trying to buy back intellectual property and innovation [tied to a losing paradigm] is a recipe for failure. Innovation in engineering is only grown organically, takes years to develop, and takes leadership and vision. It burns tons of cash, but what everyone loses site of, the R&D pays off in new markets and products in spades. hp would have better spent the money buying back Agilent. In my opinion the prognosis for Google and Motorola Mobile is no better. Its like watching the fate of Humpty Dumpty on the operating table.

Apple has grown organically, fosters innovation, and is smiling all the way to the top. LOL

in closing hp has been in business longer than the PC has been a paradigm. They should buy back Agilent and return to their roots.
post #219 of 254
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Originally Posted by nvidia2008 View Post

Right. So HP's strategy to capitalise on the consumers "flocking" to tablet computers is to NOT make tablet computers anymore.

WTF is wrong with large corporations? Are they so removed from consumer reality that they have no idea what's happening anymore?


LOL YES they are. Welcome to the Great Recession.
post #220 of 254
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Originally Posted by mikethemartian View Post

I wish Agilent, the original part of the company, could take back the Hewlett-Packard name.

That would sully the Agilent name.

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Rubbing sand in it...

HP forgot to cancel the TouchPad TV ad promotions, while cancelling the TouchPad, itself...

...it appears that HP doesn't know what it is doing... And, to whom!

Media placement for ads are usually all paid up and planned long in advance. It will hilarious, you'll definitely be seeing TouchPad ads for a few more weeks or maybe even months.

It reminds me of when they used to take portraits of dead people placed in "sleeping" positions (like in The Others).

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Rip palm. Perhaps Rubenstein should come back to apple and help apple with a major design overhaul of iOS UI.

I don't know, Palm, HP, and WebOS has just been a fiasco since the best "Palm" device I owned, the HandSpring Visor line. I don't know much about Rubenstein's involvement since he left Apple but something is fishy with this guy.
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Agilent is the REAL Hewlett Packard. The company currently called HP is just a hollow shell of its former self.
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Agilent is the REAL Hewlett Packard. The company currently called HP is just a hollow shell of its former self.

And people thought Carly Fiorina mismanaged HP.
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Agilent is the REAL Hewlett Packard. The company currently called HP is just a hollow shell of its former self.

Agilent wait for hp to go bankrupt. Agilent buys the hp brand in bankruptcy proceedings for 0.01 on the dollar. Agilent re badges themselves with the hp moniker and scraps the pc line. Note: not resell it to some offshore integrator. Scrap it completely.
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And people thought Carly Fiorina mismanaged HP.

I remember the running joke inside circles that Carly jumped Lucent after tanking her division. It wasnt long before Lucent's debacle was public. fortunately for Carly, I think the time span at hp was just long enough to insulate her in my opinion.
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The first time I heard of HP was back in the 1970s - they manufactured electronic testing
equipment. Bell Labs was a customer then. Have they left that business?

I'm going to saaaaaaay........... nnnnnnnnnnnnyes.

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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

No one knows what HP might now do with WebOS. It's obvious that their plans of putting it into every HP PC is dead. With that dead, and phones and tablets dead, to all intents and purposes, it's dead.

Life as an embedded OS will be very different, and doesn't really count, because the WebOS everyone knows will be almost unrecognizable as an embedded OS.

This is its farewell, as no other manufacturer will now touch it.

Why not Sony or Nokia? Or Nintendo?

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I disagree. Apple's prices are more competitive now than they've ever been. I don't even recommend or try to push Apple products on people anymore. Apple launches are crowded enough as it is, and it's only getting worse. I actually recommend windows, android and even webos to people I meet who I don't like, and I do it with a serious face.

Where is the innovation coming from other companies? I just see a bunch of talentless monkey copycats trying to cash in on the iPad craze, and failing miserably while trying. Apple does what it does regardless of what others are doing.

I don't buy into the "Apple needs competition to drive innovation and competitive pricing" argument. If a certain competitor is actually innovating, then fine, but the evidence tells me that most companies are not innovating at all, and some of them deserve to go bankrupt and die off. That is evolution.

haha, same here. i do it too i mean recommend windows and android all the time to the people who i don't like. and they do take me seriously.

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post #228 of 254
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Not really.

They do make some cheap crap, but they also do nice high-end business units, like Elitebooks, and consumer Envy line is not bad at all.

Elitebooks in particular are nice units, solid industrial design, metal chassis... they are not as slim as MacBooks but they are built to comply military standards regarding dust, shock, moisture... and they are really reliable. In addition, they are easy to maintain - most of their bottom is under one big removable cover so once it is open, you have access to HDD, RAM, WLAN, BT and broadband modules, even fan is exposed so it's easy to clean dust and dirt from it.

They also all come with default 3 year nbd on-site warranty, at least here in NZ.

We have couple of 14 and 15" units in our office, and even 14" i7 with dedicated grafics never gets too loud or two hot.

I believe this article is bogus, or out of context. I wouldn't be surprised if they spin-off some parts of their business (mobile hardware, Compaq...), but giving up on PCs in general? It's one of their core businesses, their bread and butter.

It's not this article. It's what HP said. It's what the entire industry is talking about. You can go to industry sites such as Computerworld, eWeek, Infoworld and Information Week, all business sites. They are all talking about HP giving up their PC division.

HP gave some business speak today. But it was obvious that they were saying that they would sell it as a preferred option, if an offer was high enough, and if not, then they would spin it off. Other options were on the table, but what would they be? This was a major announcement. Compared to that, the killing off of the tablet and phones was a minor distraction, and HP treated it that way.

Pc's are about one third of their business, and by announcing the $10 billion purchase of a major cloud oriented software company, HP was showing everyone the direction they were taking-following IBMs' lead.
post #229 of 254
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Right. So HP's strategy to capitalise on the consumers "flocking" to tablet computers is to NOT make tablet computers anymore.

WTF is wrong with large corporations? Are they so removed from consumer reality that they have no idea what's happening anymore?

This move makes it clear that HP isn't interested in consumers. IBM isn't interested in consumers. There's nothing wrong with that. Some of the biggest, most successful companies in the world are names most people have never heard of.

HP has made a decision, as IBM did several years ago, to exit the consumer business, and concentrate on services, software, and heavy iron. Those are much more profitable, and consistent. I don't find anything wrong with HPs' move.

Getting rid of the hardware behind WebOS is just another move in that direction. It was obvious that WebOS was going nowhere. Why continue dumping hundreds of millions down that hole?
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Why not Sony or Nokia? Or Nintendo?

To what point? We're talking about how bad Nokia may do with WP7 which is got one heck of a better chance with MS behind it than this. Sony? What would they do with it? And Nintendo? Another question mark.

The problem is that this OS is dead, Dead, DEAD. No one bought it from the very beginning, and sales went down from there. The company was on its last legs before HP overpaid for it.

It would make no sense to use an OS that was so roundly despised by the public. Why not Symbian? Far more people used that, and it died anyway. yes, I know WebOS is a modern OS. But how are you going to convince people to buy it?

Why would a company spend hundreds of millions to produce new phones and tablets for something that failed spectacularly?

Then there is the software problem. Essentially no software now. And of it were off the market for more than a year, who would want to write software for it. The SDK sucked. Everything would have to be rewritten. Why would someone want to do all this?

Maybe some company will try, though I doubt it. But if they do, they're doomed.
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This move makes it clear that HP isn't interested in consumers. IBM isn't interested in consumers. There's nothing wrong with that. Some of the biggest, most successful companies in the world are names most people have never heard of.

HP has made a decision, as IBM did several years ago, to exit the consumer business, and concentrate on services, software, and heavy iron. Those are much more profitable, and consistent. I don't find anything wrong with HPs' move.

Getting rid of the hardware behind WebOS is just another move in that direction. It was obvious that WebOS was going nowhere. Why continue dumping hundreds of millions down that hole?

Many of the posters here seem to react more emotionally to this than logically. Nice or not, webOS was not selling in huge volumes. Consumer products have razor thin margins and volume is key!
HP correctly dumped a part of its business that was going nowhere, including PCs etc.

They are re-focusing their business on low volume, high margin items like datacenter and services. If Cisco had done that earlier they'd not be in the mess they are today.
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I saw WebOS death coming more than a month ago.
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So the top Wintel manufacturers are now limited to Asus, Acer and Dell.
Cheap, cheaper and 'what on earth is that?' No wonder PC Sales are stagnating if thats all the wintel users have to work with.

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WebOS is most likely dead, mostly because of a lack of ecosystem and with no devices out no way an ecosystem can grow.

But there are some parties which might be interested to give it a try. Intel for one (instead of software guys like Microsoft going integrated, the same can happen from the other direction, right). Sony or Sony/Ericsson or LG have a serious software problem. Nintendo might be interested to use it so it can move to the cloud. All these companies have a problem with software and are in a serious problem wrt the post-PC era.

I don't believe licensing will bring that. But one of these might turn it into a decent integrated success.

Most likely, though, this is not going to happen or if it is going to happen it will fail. So WebOS seems most likely dead.
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Nice or not, webOS was not selling in huge volumes.

I think the problem is that webOS wasn't even selling in SMALL volumes...

Some of the coverage in The Register for the Best Buy fiasco reports July sales figures in the UK for the TouchPad in the region of 12000.... and for the first week of August - 100.

I was always a big fan of Palm - I've owned several of their PDAs in the past - but they blew it with the original Pre, and when they went belly up HP was never the right company to try and pick up the pieces and carry on with webOS.

As sad as it is to see what is generally a pretty decent OS (albeit still incomplete and on fairly crappy hardware regards the TouchPad!), HP are right to stop throwing money at something that is never going to work and cut their losses before it's too late.

I sure hope the people who bought one kept the receipt....
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True competition comes from innovation and balls. HP has neither. Nobody is willing to put what it takes into coming up with new ideas and new ways of doing things. They'd rather copy Apple and come up with cheap crap. Don't make the mistake of calling that competition.

You cant R&D if you have no $ for it. This is why the PC business is stats in a box with no design.
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I think AI should update their style guide so that the picture of Apple's new "spaceship" is appended to every article, sort of like a halo. The juxtaposition is amplified when the article in question has nothing to do with the new Apple HQ, for example, when talking about the demise of HP's webOS division.

I have provided a sample. Bathe in the magnificent light of my post! Behold the Apple Halo!

Is that steve jobs head i see underneath there!!!http://forums.appleinsider.com/images/smilies/lol.gif
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I saw WebOS death coming more than a month ago.

I saw it as being dead the day HP announced they were buying it. HP does not know the consumer space. I cannot think of a worse company to have bought palm to try to make a success of it.

Apple, RIM, HTC (almost anyone) could have done better. IIRC, Apple's bid included an agreement to keep webOS alive and palm operating with devices distinct from Apple's iPhone line (as a counter to the possibility that BB style keyboards would retain significant market). It's too bad Apple didn't buy them, if only for the patents that will now sit in the HP dungeon. RIM could have done well with them too, by marrying the strengths of BB with the innovation from palm/webOS.

I love Apple products, but have no problem with seeing other companies/products do well. One of the ones I would have liked to succeed was palm (or at least webOS).

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"My 8th grade math teacher once said: "You can't help it if you're dumb, you are born that way. But stupid is self inflicted."" -Hiro. 

...sometimes it's both
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Originally Posted by Tulkas View Post

I saw it as being dead the day HP announced they were buying it. HP does not know the consumer space. I cannot think of a worse company to have bought palm to try to make a success of it.

Apple, RIM, HTC (almost anyone) could have done better. IIRC, Apple's bid included an agreement to keep webOS alive and palm operating with devices distinct from Apple's iPhone line (as a counter to the possibility that BB style keyboards would retain significant market). It's too bad Apple didn't buy them, if only for the patents that will now sit in the HP dungeon. RIM could have done well with them too, by marrying the strengths of BB with the innovation from palm/webOS.

I love Apple products, but have no problem with seeing other companies/products do well. One of the ones I would have liked to succeed was palm (or at least webOS).

I would have liked to see that as well. Unfortunately, I doubt we'll see it now. HP's upper management suffers from terrifically bad myopia, and all they can see is the near term. They apparently lack the capability to think in terms of platform over product, and that's why they rushed inferior hardware into the market with TouchPad, and its why they got so shaken when that hardware failed. And now they are trying to become software centric with an OS as one of their products? They obviously cannot accept the risk, nor deliver the level of commitment required... to make a platform succeed.

When you combine this noted tendency toward myopia with the fact that they have now created at least the appearance of routinely lying to their consumers, channel partners, and developers... and it makes it almost blindingly obvious that WebOS is simply dead. HP has poisoned the well such that, even if WebOS were to be acquired by someone else, it is doubtful that many developers would want to come on board and that fact alone really seals its fate.
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To what point? We're talking about how bad Nokia may do with WP7 which is got one heck of a better chance with MS behind it than this. Sony? What would they do with it? And Nintendo? Another question mark.

The problem is that this OS is dead, Dead, DEAD. No one bought it from the very beginning, and sales went down from there. The company was on its last legs before HP overpaid for it.

It would make no sense to use an OS that was so roundly despised by the public. Why not Symbian? Far more people used that, and it died anyway. yes, I know WebOS is a modern OS. But how are you going to convince people to buy it?

Why would a company spend hundreds of millions to produce new phones and tablets for something that failed spectacularly?

Then there is the software problem. Essentially no software now. And of it were off the market for more than a year, who would want to write software for it. The SDK sucked. Everything would have to be rewritten. Why would someone want to do all this?

Maybe some company will try, though I doubt it. But if they do, they're doomed.

this is way too extreme a viewpoint. the same problems apply to any possible mobile OS other than iOS and Android right now. even Windows Phone, certainly Bada and QNX. and Symbian was abandoned because it was just too technically limited to be used for next generation products.

and no, WebOS was not "despised" by anyone, that is way over the top. actually, people who tried it liked it. but the complete package just wasn't there to support buying it.

HP is giving up because WebOS was Hurd's big initiative, and he's gone. the new guy has a very different strategic direction and no commitment to mobile or even hardware, let alone his predecessor's bright ideas. so whack! that's how corporations work.

yes, WebOS certainly needs to be filled out with the range of popular apps at least. but several big OEM's could take that on. and some will bring much more established global smartphone market presence to the effort than HP and Palm could, another reason they both flopped.

and the reason i think one or more will is because they HAVE to. not because they want to. but because depending on Google from now on is potential market suicide for all of them. even if just to retain some leverage in dealing with Google, they need to have some alternative in the works. and also just in case the whole Android edifice falls apart or is badly damaged next year as an outcome of all the litigation.

let's see who picks up WebOS from here before we jump to conclusions that it's "doomed."
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