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Apple on Friday provided members of its developer community with the sixth external beta of its forthcoming iOS 5.0 operating system alongside new betas of iTunes 10.5 and Apple TV software that will include support for the new software.

More specifically, Apple issued iOS 5 beta 6 build 9A5302b, iTunes 10.5 beta 6, Apple TV Software beta 5, iWork for iOS beta 2, and Xcode*4.2*and*iOS*5*SDK*beta 6.

The 144MB (153MB CDMA) update arrives roughly two weeks after Apple issued beta 5 of iOS 5.0, which introduced few noticeable changes over beta 4 when the company began testing over-the-air (OTA) updates to developer's iOS test devices.

Due for release this fall, iOS 5.0 includes over 200 new features that will be available to iPhone, iPad and iPod touch. Among them are Notification Center, an innovative way to easily view and manage notifications in one place without interruption; iMessage, a new messaging service that lets users easily send text messages, photos and videos between all iOS devices; and Newsstand, a new way to purchase and organize newspaper and magazine subscriptions.

With iOS 5.0, users will also gain access to the company's iCloud service and will be able to activate and set up their iOS device right out of the box, downloading software updates over the air with no computer required.



For more on iOS 5.0, please see AppleInsider's pair of ongoing series: Inside iOS 5.0 and Inside iCloud

Meanwhile, readers who discover new features in the latest beta can share their findings by tipping news (at) appleinsider (dot) com.
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I hope the AppleTV will get an Appstore this year.
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A question for those in the dev community who are working with this, how close to ready do you think it is? Are they still adding features, or are they now down to just getting the last bugs out?
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Is it possible that Apple could make it possible for the ATV to be able to physically hookup to an external hard drive and used sort of like a Time Machine storage.
Reason I ask is. I have an iPod Touch, I would like to get an iPad 3. We will soon have iCloud. But some of that will only store stuff for 30 days.
I just need a wireless storage dump to save everything I need.
Can't see the day where I could afford an iMac or bigger notebook. Even then, storage would eventually be the problem.
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A question for those in the dev community who are working with this, how close to ready do you think it is? Are they still adding features, or are they now down to just getting the last bugs out?

Well I have agreed to an NDA so I can't reveal specifics, other than it's looking good and very exciting especially with th iCloud and wifi synch, OTA updates. Yes features are added and sometimes disabled, but overall it was very stable for a beta since beta 1.

I'd say the integration with iCloud is the most changing part and OTA update is also being worked on. The final product will be rock solid
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Well I have agreed to an NDA so I can't reveal specifics, other than it's looking good and very exciting especially with th iCloud and wifi synch, OTA updates. Yes features are added and sometimes disabled, but overall it was very stable for a beta since beta 1.

I'd say the integration with iCloud is the most changing part and OTA update is also being worked on. The final product will be rock solid

Thanks!

I have to admit, my impatience is getting the better of me!
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Is it possible that Apple could make it possible for the ATV to be able to physically hookup to an external hard drive and used sort of like a Time Machine storage.
Reason I ask is. I have an iPod Touch, I would like to get an iPad 3. We will soon have iCloud. But some of that will only store stuff for 30 days.
I just need a wireless storage dump to save everything I need.
Can't see the day where I could afford an iMac or bigger notebook. Even then, storage would eventually be the problem.

So far no version of iOS has been able to connect to an external HDD. Even if I get what I want an IOS-based Apple Home Server there is no reason to think Apple will allow the micro-USB port on the AppleTV to be used for HDD connectivity.


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Well I have agreed to an NDA so I can't reveal specifics, other than it's looking good and very exciting especially with th iCloud and wifi synch, OTA updates. Yes features are added and sometimes disabled, but overall it was very stable for a beta since beta 1.

I'd say the integration with iCloud is the most changing part and OTA update is also being worked on. The final product will be rock solid

Based on the stability of the first beta I have to think iOS developers were working for a 12 month release cycle without any actual knowledge as to when iOS or the 5th iPhone were to be released. I'd even say it's become less stable with additional betas as features were added. I think beta 5 introduced some odd CocoaTouch artifacts not allowing capacitance touches to always execute the virtual object you've touched. Hopefully that is resolved with beta 6.
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I hope the AppleTV will get an Appstore this year.

One word: Channels. Not worthless apps.
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The 144MB (153MB CDMA) update

That's not nearly as much fun as when the updates were 666MB...

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Updating... Still hoping for gestures for iPad 1.
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One word: Channels. Not worthless apps.

This.
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... I think beta 5 introduced some odd CocoaTouch artifacts not allowing capacitance touches to always execute the virtual object you've touched. Hopefully that is resolved with beta 6.

This makes no sense to me at all. What kind of touches does iOS allow except for capacitance touches? A what sort of objects could one possibly manipulate except for virtual ones?
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This makes no sense to me at all. What kind of touches does iOS allow except for capacitance touches? A what sort of objects could one possibly manipulate except for virtual ones?

Lets say you have the keyboard up on your iPad. You hit the letter 'G' squarely but the letter 'B' is registered. You try again and the letter 'T' is registered. Instead of the virtual object you touch a seemingly random top ion near where you actually touch is executed.
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One word: Channels. Not worthless apps.

What would turning the ATV2 into a channel changer accomplish, without CableCARD (or something that would fail similarly)? The cable companies aren't likely to just give away the keys to their kingdom, to Apple or anyone else. If you don't believe me, ask Google or Logitech.

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Well I have agreed to an NDA so I can't reveal specifics, other than it's looking good and very exciting especially with th iCloud and wifi synch, OTA updates. Yes features are added and sometimes disabled, but overall it was very stable for a beta since beta 1.

I'd say the integration with iCloud is the most changing part and OTA update is also being worked on. The final product will be rock solid

The original question is pretty willing if you accept that new iPod devices come in September along with iPhone 5 announcements and such. So if the "I:" world gets updated in late September we likely have 3 or so weeks before golden master.

Some will say this is jumping to conclusion but i like to think of it as educated guessing.
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What would turning the ATV2 into a channel changer accomplish, without CableCARD (or something that would fail similarly)? The cable companies aren't likely to just give away the keys to their kingdom, to Apple or anyone else. If you don't believe me, ask Google or Logitech.

I don't think the OP meant channels in the sense of TV channels like ABC, NBC, FOX, etc. If you've ever seen how the Wii's UI is laid out, that would be much more intuitive, and I tend to agree. There is a separate Weather channel, Browser channel, Store channel, etc., and each of these channels are self-contained. Similar to apps, but different. Hard to explain without showing it off first-hand.
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So far no version of iOS has been able to connect to an external HDD. Even if I get what I want an IOS-based Apple Home Server there is no reason to think Apple will allow the micro-USB port on the AppleTV to be used for HDD connectivity.

It is a shame that Apple doesn't see potential in Apple TV beyond well being Apple TV. The device is almost perfect for several uses around the home, one of those would be as a small server.
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Based on the stability of the first beta I have to think iOS developers were working for a 12 month release cycle without any actual knowledge as to when iOS or the 5th iPhone were to be released. I'd even say it's become less stable with additional betas as features were added. I think beta 5 introduced some odd CocoaTouch artifacts not allowing capacitance touches to always execute the virtual object you've touched. Hopefully that is resolved with beta 6.

I don't even look at Apple betas anymore. To frustrating and frankly time consuming to monkey with. I'd much rather know that something i'm working with will be stable for some time.
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Is it possible that Apple could make it possible for the ATV to be able to physically hookup to an external hard drive and used sort of like a Time Machine storage.

Reason I ask is. I have an iPod Touch, I would like to get an iPad 3. We will soon have iCloud. But some of that will only store stuff for 30 days.
I just need a wireless storage dump to save everything I need.
Can't see the day where I could afford an iMac or bigger notebook. Even then, storage would eventually be the problem.

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So far no version of iOS has been able to connect to an external HDD. Even if I get what I want — an IOS-based Apple Home Server — there is no reason to think Apple will allow the micro-USB port on the AppleTV to be used for HDD connectivity.

Can't speak for the ATV (though it's been awhile since Apple's done anything major about its hobby and fall announcements seem possible), and my remarks would generally assume access to a computer with a file manager (Finder, MyComputer, etc.) would be helpful, but the iOS SugarSync app lets you work with any files you have stored permanently or interactively in a cloud account with them.

Check out SugarSync for iOS Devices and "Pushing Data to your iPad or iPhone from the web." So there are ways of having a virtual hard drive on the net - accessible via direct client or through your browser with a number of flexible features. And you can likely use iCloud to achieve some of what you want as well.

One of the things I liked here was that you seem to able to actually see and work with files in a way PC/Mac users understand on your iOS device based on the screenshots and blurbs I saw (I use it only as my computer backup so far - I've been waiting for iPhone 5 to finally leave my semi-smart old LG behind).

A recent Endgaget article "The best way to store your stuff in the cloud" ranked SS's solution as the top of 11 considered - which included what they know about iCloud. And in fact it's possible to leverage the advantages of iCloud, DropBox and Sugarsync in serial and partially in tandem to get all kinds of access in all kinds of ways to all kinds of files - in any quantity you need - long as you have a web connection.

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What would turning the ATV2 into a channel changer accomplish, without CableCARD (or something that would fail similarly)?

Because it isn't a 'channel changer'. It's actual channels. The content is streamed to the Apple TV.

Have Apple make deals with the channels (heck, I'd prefer SHOWS) themselves. Screw the cable companies. Screw all of them. They're not giving anything away because it wouldn't be their call; Apple would be ignoring them entirely.

For example, Apple goes to the Discovery Channel people and say, "Hey, we want to make all of your shows available on demand to people who buy them individually on their Apple TVs." They pay monthly for the Mythbusters Channel and they get to watch the back catalog of Mythbusters episodes. Any episode, any time they want. They want to buy the How It's Made channel too? They can. Or they can buy all the Discovery Channel shows at once."

Then they do the same with all the other channels.
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Which leads me to wonder if iWork is loosing mind share at Apple. Especially in light of the lack of iWork for the Mac not raising its ugly head. I have this feeling the next iWork for the Mac will be iWork 2012.
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Because it isn't a 'channel changer'. It's actual channels. The content is streamed to the Apple TV.

Have Apple make deals with the channels (heck, I'd prefer SHOWS) themselves. Screw the cable companies. Screw all of them. They're not giving anything away because it wouldn't be their call; Apple would be ignoring them entirely.

For example, Apple goes to the Discovery Channel people and say, "Hey, we want to make all of your shows available on demand to people who buy them individually on their Apple TVs." They pay monthly for the Mythbusters Channel and they get to watch the back catalog of Mythbusters episodes. Any episode, any time they want. They want to buy the How It's Made channel too? They can. Or they can buy all the Discovery Channel shows at once."

Then they do the same with all the other channels.

I would bet the channels already have agreements in place with cable companies which would prevent something like this
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It is a shame that Apple doesn't see potential in Apple TV beyond well being Apple TV. The device is almost perfect for several uses around the home, one of those would be as a small server. ....

I don't agree about the server, but while we are talking about the failures of AppleTV, I heard about a doozy last week.

AirPlay using AppleTV is a fantastic thing and in an Educational setting would allow for that long-dreamed of wireless classroom becoming a reality. Students could stream their stuff to the screen, as could the teacher and all kinds of things that used to involve clunky projectors, laptops and so on would be magically transformed. Most importantly, instead of having one spot where everyone has to drag their device and plug in so as to tech from a podium, the classroom would become a democratic environment again.

Problem is ... AirPlay only works if everyone is on the same wireless network and that requires completely open, unsecure networks. The kind you will never find in any decent school, university or college. One also has to lock down all of the retail elements of the device and the UI as well.

AppleTV is basically only useful for consumers who use it in their own home. Any kind of education, institutional, or corporate uses are just impossible at this point.
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I hope the AppleTV will get an Appstore this year.

Where would an app be stored on an ATV? Or am I misunderstanding you?
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Problem is ... AirPlay only works if everyone is on the same wireless network and that requires completely open, unsecure networks. The kind you will never find in any decent school, university or college. One also has to lock down all of the retail elements of the device and the UI as well.

Not if they move to an ad-hoc network setup. This bypasses routers completely and would only be useful for WiFi or BT devices within the immediate vaccinity.

With, say, a professor sending out a request for a student to control the AppleTV that sees devices in its range and even displaying on-screen a 6-digit pin to pair devices would offer a certain level of security.


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Where would an app be stored on an ATV? Or am I misunderstanding you?

The current AppleTV comes with 8GB of flash storage.
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Which leads me to wonder if iWork is loosing mind share at Apple. Especially in light of the lack of iWork for the Mac not raising its ugly head. I have this feeling the next iWork for the Mac will be iWork 2012.

I am downloading them now. I expect the iOS apps to get feature parity with the OS X apps and better AirPlay mirroring.

Funny, someone was badmouthing iWork over at asymco -- I posted the following:

I agree wholeheartedly with @EWPellegrino -- iWork is a creditable offering for the price. Here are some advantages:
-- Keynote is superior to PowerPoint
-- Pages, though known as a WP program is an excellent graphics program
---- Pages can be used to create collages -- faster, easier and more flexible than programs costings $ Hundreds
---- Pages uses shapes, masking, Bezier curves, and stacking of objects approximating layers
-- The iOS versions of the apps have most of the features of the OS X versions and can share files
-- All the iWork apps are robust enough to satisfy most users' needs
-- Keynote on an iDevice can be used to stream presos to an HDTV via AppleTV

iWork is the most comprehensive office suite available across the desktop, smartphone and tablet devices.

We haven't used MS-Office in 3 years
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I would bet the channels already have agreements in place with cable companies which would prevent something like this

Why? Nothing like that has ever existed before and no one (to my knowledge) has ever suggested it but myself. And I certainly don't work for a cable company.
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Not if they move to an ad-hoc network setup. This bypasses routers completely and would only be useful for WiFi or BT devices within the immediate vaccinity.

With, say, a professor sending out a request for a student to control the AppleTV that sees devices in its range and even displaying on-screen a 6-digit pin to pair devices would offer a certain level of security.



The current AppleTV comes with 8GB of flash storage.

Funny... what you described is almost exactly how we used an network of 7 Apple ][s and a 5MB Corvus HD in a classroom at Saratoga HS, Saratoga, CA... in 1980.

Of course there were wires, instead of wireless, and a large BW monitor instead of an HDTV, at the front of the classroom.

But, the instructor on one Apple ][ could give control to a student's machine, who then in turn controlled the BW monitor from his Apple ][.

'Course it didn't take long for the students to make the system sing in ways that the instructor (nor I) knew were possible,
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Why? Nothing like that has ever existed before and no one (to my knowledge) has ever suggested it but myself. And I certainly don't work for a cable company.

Someone on another AI thread, a few days ago, responded to my wish list to stream different TV channels (live or other content) from an AppleTV or the cableco's STB to multiple iPads concurrently.

He said he had TimeWarner cable and he could get about 50 channels now, but they were adding new ones all the time.

We have u-verse which uses MS Plays-For-Crap... so I guess we won't be getting it from the cableco.

I'll see if I can find the post and link to it later.
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I would bet the channels already have agreements in place with cable companies which would prevent something like this

Indeed. Exclusive content. One would expect to pay more for exclusive conent. IOW, if a cable company wants that key to the castle, they need to pay more to the "Channel." And of course, if there was no other outlet, the Channel might not have cared to charge more, as it was moot. Ain't moot anymore. After that, it is simple economics.
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Anyone notice that they changed the tweet sound built-in? Now it's some stupid bird chip. The previous one was much better and I used it for my new emails.
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Among them are Notification Center, an innovative way to easily view and manage notifications in one place without interruption...

Let's not push it, shall we?
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Not if they move to an ad-hoc network setup. This bypasses routers completely and would only be useful for WiFi or BT devices within the immediate vaccinity.

With, say, a professor sending out a request for a student to control the AppleTV that sees devices in its range and even displaying on-screen a 6-digit pin to pair devices would offer a certain level of security. ...

Yes, but the security is not usually for the users but for the University. Most decent colleges and Universities don't allow any wireless networks to operate on campus other than the approved ones.

If I read your suggestion correctly, you are suggesting the professor set up his/her own wireless network in the class which would be strictly verboten.
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If I read your suggestion correctly, you are suggesting the professor set up his/her own wireless network in the class which would be strictly verboten.

Not at all. I'm suggesting corporate conference rooms, class rooms, and living rooms allow AirPlay to have the option to work similar to AirDrop insofar that it creates a direct connection between two devices without the use of an intermediarry LAN node such as a router.
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I don't agree about the server, but while we are talking about the failures of AppleTV, I heard about a doozy last week.

AirPlay using AppleTV is a fantastic thing and in an Educational setting would allow for that long-dreamed of wireless classroom becoming a reality. Students could stream their stuff to the screen, as could the teacher and all kinds of things that used to involve clunky projectors, laptops and so on would be magically transformed. Most importantly, instead of having one spot where everyone has to drag their device and plug in so as to tech from a podium, the classroom would become a democratic environment again.

Problem is ... AirPlay only works if everyone is on the same wireless network and that requires completely open, unsecure networks. The kind you will never find in any decent school, university or college. One also has to lock down all of the retail elements of the device and the UI as well.

AppleTV is basically only useful for consumers who use it in their own home. Any kind of education, institutional, or corporate uses are just impossible at this point.

You could solve the network issue with a configuration profile and third party software from good or mobile iron. It won't be cheap but it can be addressed
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Is anyone else's "Define" feature not working? Mine has actually been disabled since beta 5 and I want to know if anyone else had the same issue. I am speaking of the iOS-wide function where you select a word and define itmine simply doesn't have the option anymore.
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Is anyone else's "Define" feature not working? Mine has actually been disabled since beta 5 and I want to know if anyone else had the same issue. I am speaking of the iOS-wide function where you select a word and define itmine simply doesn't have the option anymore.

Mine is there but I have to schroll right on the balloon, after replace. It has to be a dictionary word though.

If you are talking about the Beta I suggest you discuss this at the devforums site. It's a violation of your developer agreement to discuss beta details publicly. Its also useful to file bug reports if you find issues.
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Why? Nothing like that has ever existed before and no one (to my knowledge) has ever suggested it but myself. And I certainly don't work for a cable company.

Not sure if this will happen with apple tv but streaming and paying for channels a-la-carte would be great! My cable bills are through the roof and we only watch 5% of the channels on the line-up if that.

OTOH If and when that happens the cable companies will probably introduce tiered data plans and it will be a wash.
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OTOH If and when that happens the cable companies will probably introduce tiered data plans and it will be a wash.

So? DSL. Fiber. Screw cable.

If that happens, we'd see an Open Letter to ISPs from Steve Jobs. Consumers would see the truth and be enraged.
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