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New details on Research in Motion's rumored BlackBerry Messenger music service have emerged, with the mini-subscription plan expected to cost $5 a month for 50 songs when it arrives this fall.

Reports first emerged on Thursday that RIM was in "late-stage negotiations" with the major music labels to launch a music streaming service for its BlackBerry devices. Peter Kafka of All Things D offered further details on the service early Saturday, claiming that it will cost $5 a month for 50 songs.

According to him, BBM Music will arrive as a beta in the U.S., Canada and the U.K. in early September, before launching in the three regions later this fall. Subscribers won't be able to export the music to PCs, but they will be able to transfer to the PlayBook tablet. The service will also reportedly contain a social aspect that will let subscribers share songs with other BBM Music subscribers.

Kafka adds that RIM will pitch the service as "personalizing" users' phones, much like the ringtone services that flourished in years past. However, BBM Music will find itself competing against pre-existing streaming services available on the BlackBerry, such as Slacker, Rhapsody and Pandora.



RIM is aiming to use the subscription music service will rekindle interest in its BlackBerry Messenger functionality, which has been one of the standout features for the platform. The company also recently opened up BBM to allow developers to incorporate it into their own BlackBerry apps.

Meanwhile, rival smartphone platform makers Apple and Google are developing their own, even as newer multi-platform streaming services, including Spotify and Rdio are gaining momentum.

Apple unveiled its iCloud service in June and has added some features, such as re-downloading of music from iTunes, ahead of the full launch later this year. The iPhone maker will also introduce the iTunes Match service this fall for $24.99 per year. iTunes Match will scan a user's music collection for music not purchased from iTunes and then make the corresponding iTunes version available in iCloud.



Google launched its Music Beta service in May, but failed to gain much traction with it, in part because it does not actually sell music. Earlier this week, the search giant started a music discovery blog in hopes of drawing attention to its fledgling music service.

RIM has found itself backed into a corner by the iPhone and Android, which have both continued to outstrip sales of BlackBerry devices. In July, the company announced plans to cut 2,000 jobs, more than 10 percent of its workforce.
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Sounds like their tablet team also created the music service.

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So funny...... So, let's take bets on who buys RIM because this company is going down. Just like skydiving, RIM feels like they are flying. In reality, they are plummeting to the earth at a 120 mph.
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RIM just acquired a second pile-driver and is operating it beyond all safety limits. Stand clear!
post #5 of 76
RIM planning meeting: In the absence of innovation, we've come up with a ripoff music subscription service.
post #6 of 76
10 years too late. I'm embarrassed for them.
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Yikes. These people really are lost. Consumers aren't looking for X number of songs per month. That sort of plan will be DOA because it reflects a lack of understanding regarding how people listen to music and how they use their devices.
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10 years too late. I'm embarrassed for them.

Exactly.
post #9 of 76
I fully support competition, but now companies are just throwing ideas and money at the wall and hoping something sticks so they can combat Apple and Android. RIM can't try to build an ecosystem this late in the game when their sales and user base are shrinking this fast. It's too late for this. Better phones not music is what they need to compete. IMO.
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So did anyone understand how this service works? Does it mean that once I have listened to 50 songs in a month, I cannot listen to any more? Or does it mean that I have to continue recycling between those 50, and wait till the next month to find another set of 50?

If its either of those, its a ridiculously terrible deal (50songs * 4min/song = 200 mins, = <4 hrs of music)

I hope its something else...
post #12 of 76
Pointless.

Fix the antiquated platform first, before piling more junk on top of it.

These clowns have all their priorities mixed up now. Apple and Google have sent RIM into a complete state of confusion.
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50 songs? hold on there, speedy. not so fast. what if i only need four songs a month. what'll that cost me?
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RIM - Research in (Slow) Motion
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RiM needs a decant mobile OS that doesn't rely on Flash. Maybe they can buy WebOS from HP.
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RiM needs a decant mobile OS that doesn't relay on Flash. Maybe they can buy WebOS from HP.

Ouch! I always thought you were quite supportive of RIM? Seriously don't you think a few of those Android based manufacturers not now owned by Google might be first to bid for it?
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post #18 of 76
RIM doing to little to late. At this point a music service might be a losing proposition as well and bring RIM down faster, keep in mind signing the big 4 music companys cost $$$$$ as well as a large cut of the sales. I wouldn't be surprised if RIM is giving up 50% .
if anything RIM should be working on better smartphones & hardware. Eventually RIM gets aquired for its patents and secure mail system.
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50 songs? hold on there, speedy. not so fast. what if i only need four songs a month. what'll that cost me?

If you only need 4 songs per month, you buy them on iTunes instead of messing with a streaming service.

The opposite is more likely. People who sign up for a streaming service are likely to be regular music listeners who want unlimited access to music. I can't imagine how 50 songs a month would appeal to many people.

Look at it differently. For $5 a month, you could buy 5 songs on iTunes - or 60 songs a year. So, for $60, so you want to listen to 50 songs a month - and then lose them - or buy 60 songs. I'm guessing that most people would choose the latter.
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Ouch! I always thought you were quite supportive of RIM? Seriously don't you think a few of those Android based manufacturers not now owned by Google might be first to bid for it?

Actually the RIM platform is pretty worthless at this point, especially considering HP is pulling the plug on their infinitely superior WebOS. This was obvious the moment we heard that RIM's OS would need to be fundamentally re-architected in order to provide their tablets with independent email capabilities.

But the limitations of RIM's platform pale in comparison with the cluelessness of their "co-CEOs".
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If you only need 4 songs per month, you buy them on iTunes instead of messing with a streaming service.

From the sounds of it this is not a streaming service. It is downloads but so tightly drm'd that they only work on a Playbook. And possibly needing to call out every month to make sure you are still paying otherwise they stop working.

If the service allows you to download 50 new tracks a month and keep previous stuff on your device, at the price they want, that isn't that horrible.

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Ouch! I always thought you were quite supportive of RIM? Seriously don't you think a few of those Android based manufacturers not now owned by Google might be first to bid for it?

Hmm not sure what you mean by supportive. I'm not for or against any company per say but there are certainly some I think have a much stronger outlook than others, even to the point of investing in them.

I don't think, nor have ever thought RiM's multiple attempts at a touch-based OS were going to be winners. I do think they have a solid base that would love to support them again if they can modernize their business. I think WebOS would be a great start; HP certainly doesn't seem to want it.
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post #24 of 76
Reinventing the wheel, when other things are out there that does a better job for less. Putting resources behind something thats destined to fail (or at least not be a positive), when they need to be putting resources behind QNX, and replacing that LOUSY camera in their new 9900 series!
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RiM needs a decant mobile OS that doesn't rely on Flash. Maybe they can buy WebOS from HP.

Since when does Rim's OS rely on flash?
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Since when does Rim's OS rely on flash?

You really think they use Adobe AIR but have removed Adobe Flash from the UI? Good luck supporting that argument.
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I used to think Ballmer was one the the most clueless CEOs on the planet, but Balsillie and Lazaridis make Ballmer look like Jobs by comparison

Why do you say that? Ballmer is all class.
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post #28 of 76
Funny. Much like how a good number of peeps on here are "isheep", the crack berry fans are all gun ho about this. iTunes killer is what I hear. Silly people.
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From the sounds of it this is not a streaming service. It is downloads but so tightly drm'd that they only work on a Playbook. And possibly needing to call out every month to make sure you are still paying otherwise they stop working.

If the service allows you to download 50 new tracks a month and keep previous stuff on your device, at the price they want, that isn't that horrible.

You're right - it doesn't appear to be a streaming service. It's a "pay us $5 and you can download up to 50 tracks and use them for a month". You don't get to keep them indefinitely.

Which amounts to almost the same thing.
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Subscribers won't be able to export the music to PCs, but they will be able to transfer to the PlayBook tablet.


I'll never buy DRMed anything. It is defective by design. These corporations accomplish electronically that which is prohibited by the First Sale Doctrine of US Copyright law.

Fuggedaboutit! Boycott these corporations and their DRM crapola.
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Subscribers won't be able to export the music to PCs

Won't be "allowed" to export to computers. Pretty sure people will be doing it within a week of the service going online, though.

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post #32 of 76
Must not be a good feeling to be a RIM marketer. Every new product you introduce these days is greeted with hoots of derision.

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post #33 of 76
$5 for 50 songs for a month. If you want the same 50 songs the next month, another $5 please.

If you go for a whole year with a soundtrack of just 50 songs, which is NOTHING (I listen to 50 songs a DAY, at least), that's $60. I'd rather buy 6 CDs and listen to those songs for the rest of my life for free.

LOL. What a rip.
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Actually the RIM platform is pretty worthless at this point, especially considering HP is pulling the plug on their infinitely superior WebOS. This was obvious the moment we heard that RIM's OS would need to be fundamentally re-architected in order to provide their tablets with independent email capabilities.

But the limitations of RIM's platform pale in comparison with the cluelessness of their "co-CEOs".

Sorry you misunderstood me, I meant the webOS might be bid on, not RIM's, by current Android makers ticked off at Google buying Motomobile.
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So did anyone understand how this service works? Does it mean that once I have listened to 50 songs in a month, I cannot listen to any more?

Yep. The entire contents of the Blackberry get deleted, your account canceled, and the device gets bricked remotely. Then they report the credit card used to purchase those 50 songs as stolen and send the police to the address of record.

Other than that, it's a pretty cool service.
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Dear RIM - Is that all you've got? Your best shot?

Pretty crappy if you ask me. If the best you can do is crappy, then better to do nothing.
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Hmm not sure what you mean by supportive. I'm not for or against any company per say but there are certainly some I think have a much stronger outlook than others, even to the point of investing in them.

I don't think, nor have ever thought RiM's multiple attempts at a touch-based OS were going to be winners. I do think they have a solid base that would love to support them again if they can modernize their business. I think WebOS would be a great start; HP certainly doesn't seem to want it.

Ok sorry, I read you defend them several times but that fits with what you say about not being against or for plus it was more likely the BB not the touch stuff.
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post #38 of 76
I can't see any angle where this is good.. Unless I get to keep all 50 songs and add 50 more next month..
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Yikes. These people really are lost. Consumers aren't looking for X number of songs per month. That sort of plan will be DOA because it reflects a lack of understanding regarding how people listen to music and how they use their devices.

I don't even think I've bought 50 songs from iTunes in 3 years of owning an iPhone.

It's very rare for me to hear something I like enough on the radio, that I'll bother using Shazam to find and buy it.
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So funny...... So, let's take bets on who buys RIM because this company is going down. Just like skydiving, RIM feels like they are flying. In reality, they are plummeting to the earth at a 120 mph.

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