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post #41 of 76
8/20/11 at 3:04pm
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So funny...... So, let's take bets on who buys RIM because this company is going down. Just like skydiving, RIM feels like they are flying. In reality, they are plummeting to the earth at a 120 mph.

I'd say they are a long way off from being bought unless it's a hostile takeover. They a lot more likely to invest a lot more in other companies in an attempt to save themselves. For Q1-2012 RiM was still $700 million. Not an increase and it's steadily dropping but they have yet to have a report negative earning for a quarter. That has to count for something when you compare them to the other smartphone vendors.
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post #42 of 76
8/20/11 at 3:35pm
Sounds like they're using the "Blockbuster video rental" school of economics- "Charge 'em $5 more, and we will make a killing!!!"
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post #43 of 76
8/20/11 at 4:28pm
Good luck with that. They'd be better off rebuilding their OS from the ground-up. Not to mention their phones too. Their phones are underpowered and overpriced. Soon they will be in the toilet. All that will be left will be their patent portfolio.
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post #44 of 76
8/20/11 at 4:31pm
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post #45 of 76
8/20/11 at 4:42pm
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RiM needs a decant mobile OS that doesn't rely on Flash. Maybe they can buy WebOS from HP.

Perhaps it's best to just leave WebOS by the roadside. The poor thing's already been through enough.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAUY1J8KizU

It failed at Palm. Then it failed at HP. And consumers didn't give a damn on either occasion.

It's good for one thing: ripping a few ideas from it, but with plenty of caution, because who knows which aspect of WebOS killed it. It's probably contagious.
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post #46 of 76
8/20/11 at 5:34pm
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You really think they use Adobe AIR but have removed Adobe Flash from the UI? Good luck supporting that argument.

Sorry, you need to do some research. BB OS is based on Java, not flash. BB OS doesn't even support flash. Their new QNX system is supposed to (on their tablet) but from what I understand, is pretty inept at it.
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post #47 of 76
8/20/11 at 6:02pm
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Sorry, you need to do some research. BB OS is based on Java, not flash. BB OS doesn't even support flash. Their new QNX system is supposed to (on their tablet) but from what I understand, is pretty inept at it.

You're now going to argue that you had no idea I was referring to their PlayBook OS in my post? Shameful!
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post #48 of 76
8/20/11 at 6:03pm
It sounds like a strange service, it does not appeal to me.
On the wider topic or RIM's survivability, it does not look good. They are stuck with a dying system, but are too slow with QNX. Playbook is highly flawed and not selling. The phones look 5 years out of date, and the cash cow, Enterprise, is deserting them. I cannot see what any other business would want to acquire from RIM if it does go Belly up. They may have some patents, but patents are being bought as defence weapons at the moment. There will quickly become a time when the big 3, Apple, Google and Microsoft think they have enough patents to put off would be attackers. If RIMs death is in slow motion, they could find that even the patents are worth very little.
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post #49 of 76
8/20/11 at 6:08pm
not a week passed since the last bad news for RIM...

makes me wonder whats their CEO and their strategist doing. the mobile world is not static, a company like RIM cannot rely on one thing to survive.. i still remember the fall of PALM back then, kinda like RIM, lack of innovation and lack of strategic direction bring it down slowly but sure.. RIM's tablet entrance showed a lack of long term strategy and feels like a 'me too' thats prevalent in companies competing in tablet world (Android tablets manufacturers also lack strategy, they just produce hardware without thinking long term)

now , assuming you can offer some strategic (1 year , 2 year and 5 year strategy) for RIM, what would you say to RIM Management ? whats the path that you think RIM Should Focus on ?

im really curious , can RIM be saved from the steady downfall ?

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post #50 of 76
8/20/11 at 6:08pm
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I used to think Ballmer was one the the most clueless CEOs on the planet, but Balsillie and Lazaridis make Ballmer look like Jobs by comparison

Their popular names are Ballsy and Lazy....

...Or is that Silly and Arid...

...oh, we're all so confused
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post #51 of 76
8/20/11 at 6:26pm
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Xoom is highly flawed and not selling.

Please don't tell me that you just labeled The Xoom a RIM product....I beg you.
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post #52 of 76
8/20/11 at 7:04pm
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So funny...... So, let's take bets on who buys RIM because this company is going down. Just like skydiving, RIM feels like they are flying. In reality, they are plummeting to the earth at a 120 mph.

In this case, the skydiver was already dead the moment they were dropped out the plane. RIM is so f***** DOA it's just depressing now. 50 songs? That won't even last many of us a week... Let alone the fact that there's so many podcasts, YouTube, streaming radio from around the world and tons of other music services. This is RIM's big plan post-PlayFail?
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post #53 of 76
8/20/11 at 7:12pm
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Perhaps it's best to just leave WebOS by the roadside. The poor thing's already been through enough.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAUY1J8KizU

It failed at Palm. Then it failed at HP. And consumers didn't give a damn on either occasion.

It's good for one thing: ripping a few ideas from it, but with plenty of caution, because who knows which aspect of WebOS killed it. It's probably contagious.

Thank you. Everyone, please let the WebOS "ecosystem" die with some dignity. Please stop dragging it's decaying corpse through the streets. I called WebOS the poisoned chalice. I think the proverbial dead horse is more apt.

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not a week passed since the last bad news for RIM...

makes me wonder whats their CEO and their strategist doing. the mobile world is not static, a company like RIM cannot rely on one thing to survive.. i still remember the fall of PALM back then, kinda like RIM, lack of innovation and lack of strategic direction bring it down slowly but sure.. RIM's tablet entrance showed a lack of long term strategy and feels like a 'me too' thats prevalent in companies competing in tablet world (Android tablets manufacturers also lack strategy, they just produce hardware without thinking long term)

now , assuming you can offer some strategic (1 year , 2 year and 5 year strategy) for RIM, what would you say to RIM Management ? whats the path that you think RIM Should Focus on ?

im really curious , can RIM be saved from the steady downfall ?

regards

RIM is finished. Whatever revenue and profits they are getting now is from BB sold cheaper and cheaper while continuing to grow in Asia since it is a cheap, reliable messaging system. Also, corporations continue to rely on it as the default "work" phone though most employees already have iPhones and Androids and iPads.

But this is all only existing momentum, they're running on fumes. They have no strategy for the future that can even be communicated sensibly to the public. They have some water but are lost in the desert. It's only a matter of time. I'm probably going overboard with all the analogies and metaphors but if they were a US company they'd already be ripped to shreds like starving cannibals on the weaker members of the tribe.
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post #54 of 76
8/20/11 at 7:32pm
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In this case, the skydiver was already dead the moment they were dropped out the plane. RIM is so f***** DOA it's just depressing now.

That means Palm's WebOS is Bernie Lomax.
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post #55 of 76
8/20/11 at 7:37pm
Low income English teenagers love BBs I hear so no doubt this will be a huge success.
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post #56 of 76
8/20/11 at 7:40pm
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

Perhaps it's best to just leave WebOS by the roadside. The poor thing's already been through enough.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAUY1J8KizU

It failed at Palm. Then it failed at HP. And consumers didn't give a damn on either occasion.

It's good for one thing: ripping a few ideas from it, but with plenty of caution, because who knows which aspect of WebOS killed it. It's probably contagious.



I keep wondering if HP discovered something in there they knew was indefensible patent wise.
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post #57 of 76
8/20/11 at 7:45pm
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I keep wondering if HP discovered something in there they knew was indefensible patent wise.

Considering the number of former Apple employees apparently working on it at Palm and the lawsuits from Apple et al. over modern mobile OS code I think that is a scenario that could easily be defended.
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post #58 of 76
8/20/11 at 11:13pm
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That means Palm's WebOS is Bernie Lomax.

Bingo. Except it's long past the weekend and he's really starting to smell now.

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post #59 of 76
8/21/11 at 1:41am
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So did anyone understand how this service works? Does it mean that once I have listened to 50 songs in a month, I cannot listen to any more? Or does it mean that I have to continue recycling between those 50, and wait till the next month to find another set of 50?

If its either of those, its a ridiculously terrible deal (50songs * 4min/song = 200 mins, = <4 hrs of music)

I hope its something else...

It is something else, but in typical Apple Insider fashion, they reported it wrong, so that it makes the competition looks bad. I am not sure it is going to work, but it is a different idea.

Here is the way it goes

you get 50 songs. Each of your friends on BBM get 50 songs. So, if you have 20 friends on BBM, you have access to all of their music (1000 songs) and they have access to your 50 songs. Every month, everyone gets a new set of 50 songs.

Given that BBM is widely used amongst teenagers, this could be fairly popular among the younger set for social music sharing and discovery.
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post #60 of 76
8/21/11 at 3:39am
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It is something else, but in typical Apple Insider fashion, they reported it wrong, so that it makes the competition looks bad. I am not sure it is going to work, but it is a different idea.

Here is the way it goes

you get 50 songs. Each of your friends on BBM get 50 songs. So, if you have 20 friends on BBM, you have access to all of their music (1000 songs) and they have access to your 50 songs. Every month, everyone gets a new set of 50 songs.

Given that BBM is widely used amongst teenagers, this could be fairly popular among the younger set for social music sharing and discovery.

Except this will be limited to the US and Canada only right? Other countries to come "later".
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post #61 of 76
8/21/11 at 3:41am
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New details on Research in Motion's rumored BlackBerry Messenger music service have emerged.

It's not to late to stop. Please don't do it.
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post #62 of 76
8/21/11 at 8:26am
The stupidity of this is absolutely unreal.
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post #63 of 76
8/21/11 at 10:00am
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It's not to late to stop. Please don't do it.

I doubt that RIM representatives read comments posted to the AppleInsider forums.
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post #64 of 76
8/21/11 at 10:19am
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I doubt that RIM representatives read comments posted to the AppleInsider forums.

Of course they do. Where else would they get their information about rumors about products they'd try to steal from?
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post #65 of 76
8/21/11 at 10:20am
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Of course they do. Where else would they get their information about rumors about products they'd try to steal from?

YouTube comment threads.
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post #66 of 76
8/21/11 at 10:27am
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YouTube comment threads.

I think if I went to YouTube to look at "[REAL] IPHONE 5 NOT A JOKE!" and other various unreleased Apple product movies, it would be for a laugh originally, but it would only ever turn into complete rage.

Seriously, we're talking white hot anger; the most vitriolic writing you've ever seen.

Think the meanest I'd ever been on MacRumors times sixteen because there aren't rules against exposing peoples' idiocy on YouTube.

A good release, though. Might be a stress reliever.
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post #67 of 76
8/21/11 at 11:12am
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A good release, though. Might be a stress reliever.

I go to YouTube for all my political commentary needs. You won't find more unbiased, well-informed discussions anywhere else on the Internet!
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post #68 of 76
8/21/11 at 2:26pm
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Their popular names are Ballsy and Lazy....

I think you had an extra 'y' in there (and, just for the record, you did not misspell 'lazy).
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post #69 of 76
8/21/11 at 2:29pm
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It is something else, but in typical Apple Insider fashion, they reported it wrong, so that it makes the competition looks bad. I am not sure it is going to work, but it is a different idea.

Here is the way it goes

you get 50 songs. Each of your friends on BBM get 50 songs. So, if you have 20 friends on BBM, you have access to all of their music (1000 songs) and they have access to your 50 songs. Every month, everyone gets a new set of 50 songs.

Given that BBM is widely used amongst teenagers, this could be fairly popular among the younger set for social music sharing and discovery.

See Post #55 above.

The competition does not 'look bad.' It is bad.
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post #70 of 76
8/21/11 at 2:31pm
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Originally Posted by King of Beige View Post

It's not to late to stop. Please don't do it.

Many firms in many industries would be utterly thankful for this kind of advice. They would kill for it.

But consumer tech - outside of Apple - is its own sad, strange beast.
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post #71 of 76
8/21/11 at 3:47pm
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You're now going to argue that you had no idea I was referring to their PlayBook OS in my post? Shameful!

Didn't then, do now. Clarification is understood.
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post #72 of 76
8/21/11 at 4:18pm
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

Their popular names are Ballsy and Lazy....

...Or is that Silly and Arid...

...oh, we're all so confused

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I think you had an extra 'y' in there (and, just for the record, you did not misspell 'lazy).

... the two former co-CEOs job share the role and are referred to simply as Lazy Balls.
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post #73 of 76
8/21/11 at 6:11pm
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I go to YouTube for all my political commentary needs. You won't find more unbiased, well-informed discussions anywhere else on the Internet!

I go to YouTube for my daily dose of the word "gay"

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... the two former co-CEOs job share the role and are referred to simply as Lazy Balls.

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post #74 of 76
8/21/11 at 6:27pm
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RIM is aiming to use the subscription music service will rekindle interest in its BlackBerry Messenger functionality, which has been one of the standout features for the platform.

When I have talked to a lot of die-hard BlackBerry users, some of whom carry an iPhone and a BlackBerry, it is this messaging function that they really like (and/or are required to have for work). I think when Apple's iCloud iMessage service comes out -- for free -- it will be the final nail in the coffin for RIM. Who wouldn't want to condense down to just one device. I also think that the music service is DOA -- bad idea -- that's something they should have done years ago. And what do you mean I can't transfer the songs to my PC/Mac?
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post #75 of 76
8/22/11 at 6:55am
Umm... you can get an unlimited RDIO mobile subscription for $9.99 a month. RDIO is an established, proven platform AND they have a blackberry app! WHY would anyone pay RIM for this? 50 songs for $5? Or pay $4.99 more and get unlimited access to as much music as you can stream. You can even sync as much music as your mobile device can store for offline listening.

This is just another example of how unaware RIM is of the mobile ecosystem surrounding them. They keep trying to build and innovate things in their own little bubble. I think it is a big insult to their userbase, because it sounds like RIM doesn't think their customers are smart enough to figure this stuff out on their own.
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post #76 of 76
8/23/11 at 8:39am
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I think when Apple's iCloud iMessage service comes out -- for free -- it will be the final nail in the coffin for RIM.

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