Microsoft exec says PC 'not even middle-aged,' rejects post-PC label - Page 7

Wow. You managed to miss the point entirely. I thought it was pretty obvious for anyone with an IQ over 60. I guess I was wrong. Or maybe I was right.....


The point is that he is arguing that 'REAL' drivers don't need modern conveniences like automatic transmissions, etc. He's arguing that doing things yourself is the 'only' way to do them. Similarly, he's against a simplified computer interface.

So where do you draw the line? Who gets to determine exactly which things are to be done manually and which things it's OK to have done for you? Obviously, it's the marketplace - NOT his arrogant "if your car doesn't have a manual transmission and won't hit 9,000 rpm, it's not a real car" attitude.

Carl Sagan is bothered by your viewpoint.

The iPad sets up in about 5 minutes -- out of the box, no [strings] pc attached.

An iPad iOS upgrade takes less than 30 minutes OTA -- no [strings] pc attached.

Yeah, that's a long ways away -- 30, maybe 60 days.

Jeez, it is so easy to believe something one really wants to believe.

HP is not quitting PC industry. HP is outsourcing their production plants. HP thinks owning production plants is not the best way to do business any more, so they want to do research and development, and let others do actual manufacturing. That way, HP can select manufacturing partner who can offer best deal, rather than be obliged to use their own production capacities, even if they are not the best bang for the money.

HP has been outsourcing their production facilities from mid '90.

HP is already using Foxcon and other far-east manufacturers for some of their products, and I'm betting they have proved to do better than HP owned facilities.

At the end of the day, number of western companies are already doing the same - developing and designing, but not manufacturing their products in-house. Like Apple, for example. AMD.

That is possible, though, x86 parts (CPUs, GPUs) will progress as well. As long as power consumption is not critical (which is true for desktops and, to some degree, with laptops) x86 parts will have performance edge.


Only for some things. Mouse is more accurate, for example - you can position it before you click, and you know where exactly mouse pointer is. In addition, good luck with moving your hands over something like 24" vertical screen - your arms will not be happy for too long.


People got away with out cars or airplanes for ages, but good luck trying to take those away today

That aside... I work for company providing IT support for number of businesses here in NZ, and let me reassure you a lot of people are typing quite a bit over the 8 hours of work day. Emails, documents, tables... you name it. All day long.


I'd really hate idea of carrying 15" or bigger tablet. 19"? 24"? Makes me shiver. External display, mouse, keyboard... how's that really different from PC?


That I agree with - I maximize my windows as well. I do run number of apps at the same time, and switch them from the task bar (so I don't need to see them at once on my screens). Of course I still need enough processing power, storage and memory in my machine if I don't want to make it bottleneck. Tablets might get that performance at some point, but then there will be no reason why not to use full-size OS on them, and then tablets will become PCs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6Qd9VR1gD8

Oh c'mon. If there's blindly followed leader in IT, his name is Steve, but not Balmer

Also home users who want to edit their family videos (with huge HD cameras RAW footage), prosumer photographers with 16MP RAW images...

But truth is, PCs were shoved down the troath number of people who really never needed them. They will move away to tablets and never look back. Like my mom. Never got a grip on computer (not speaking English didn't help) but cannot leave iPad from her hands. It definitely is computer that works for her.

As a result, PC market will shrink a bit as that part of users pool move to tablets. But it is not going to keep shrinking into oblivion.

In addition, Microsoft's SkyDrive (and whole MSLive) is more than capable platform for everything-Windows synergy.

You might be wrong there (or at least are making bad analogy) - I'm pretty sure Nikon makes more profit of their SLR cameras and accessories, maybe Canon as well. Also Sony did an extra mile to get themselves into SLR and is pushing very hard there.

It is not that SLRs sell more than P&Ss, they sell with bigger margins, and they sell additional gear you don't have for P&S - lenses, flashes, filters... think of them as MacBooks, even if they sell less, they make more money.

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It seems to me that the comments Ballmer and Gates had about iPod, iPhone, iPad when they arrived were the opposite of 'blindly following'. And what about Palm's comments on the iPhone. And it must be possible to dig up some appropriate Dell comments as well. And all the pundits telling us a PC without a floppy drive would not sell? Etc. etc.

Blindly followed? Not at all. More like groping in the dark and falling over while shooting yourself in the foot all the while shouting that your progress is really good...

Although that is true for some people, it is not nearly 84%. The iPad is not a first Apple product device (IMO). Most people with Windows who have purchased an iPad most likely have previously bought an iPod, iPod Touch or an iPhone which means they already have iTunes installed along with their content organized.