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post #41 of 54
8/22/11 at 11:08am
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NeXT talent was legendary in computing. Apple aquired that IP, talent and leadership for $400 Million, a triple headed monster that dwarfed Be Inc's talent, IP and leadership.

There was at least a dozen projects at NeXT that never saw the light of day and those ideas and talent to implement portions of them into the past decade has been evident to us Alumni.

I'm not sure I'd say that Apple acquired NeXT's IP and talent. More like Apple paid NeXT to take them over. Look at how many senior Apple employees were given the boot and replaced by their NeXT counterparts. Perhaps the most brilliant tech deal ever.
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post #42 of 54
8/22/11 at 11:13am
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Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton View Post

I recall a similar move by NeXT during the post-hardware years when NeXT tried to salvage their ObjC-based frameworks on other, competing platforms such as Windows NT, before Apple finally bought them. Perhaps this is not the end of Enyo (or whatever or is called).

NeXT dumped hardware, ported NeXTSTEP to other hardware platforms and eventually, in cooperation with Sun (of all companies!), created OPENSTEP, a framework that could be installed on WindowsNT, Solaris, etc. This was before Java and pretty soon Sun lost interest in OPENSTEP. And then the Apple deal happened. Had NeXT not been bought by Apple, OPENSTEP might have survived as a niche player for custom app development. Maybe.
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post #43 of 54
8/22/11 at 11:46am
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Comments like this crack me up. Apple is even worse than Bill Gates when they have no competition? How can you even say this? It makes absolutely no sense. Competition is good, sure. But enough of this free marketeer b.s. about how without competition, everything turns to garbage. Repeat the mantra all you want, but that doesn't make it true.

I don't think Jobs cares one bit about his competition. He's always led the pack, whether he was financially successful (Apple today) or not (NeXT back in the day). Competition from second-rate copycats like Microsoft and Google is not what drives Apple to build better products. Anyone with a casual understanding of Apple and Jobs should know that by now.

Thanks for posting that. I figured out that "without competition Apple would suck" is fandroidspeak/microsoftiespeak for "without competition, Apple would not have anyone to copy from," which is of course, the self-masturbatory delusion of all Apple haters, not Apple fans. Apple fans know that Apple has been on a roll for the last decade precisely because they are plugged in to what consumers want, as well as what really matters. Apple's not just listening to what the self-important Slashdot/Engadget crowd personally thinks is cool. And of course they deny the way Apple has shaken up the tech industry. But I guarantee that Apple's competitors, be it Microsoft, RIM, Palm, HP, Google, Nokia, Sony or Nintendo is fully aware of how Apple has changed the game.
"And just like that, everyone here realizes you're just another sweaty little Google licker with an axe to grind and no idea what he's talking about." --addabox
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"And just like that, everyone here realizes you're just another sweaty little Google licker with an axe to grind and no idea what he's talking about." --addabox
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post #44 of 54
8/22/11 at 12:06pm
"had decided to kill the webOS hardware team"

Did they say what they plan to do with the bodies?

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post #45 of 54
8/22/11 at 1:09pm
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Originally Posted by robbyx View Post

I'm not sure I'd say that Apple acquired NeXT's IP and talent. More like Apple paid NeXT to take them over. Look at how many senior Apple employees were given the boot and replaced by their NeXT counterparts. Perhaps the most brilliant tech deal ever.

Of course NeXT took over. I was there. But technically it's called an acquisition.
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post #46 of 54
8/22/11 at 1:11pm
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Originally Posted by robbyx View Post

NeXT dumped hardware, ported NeXTSTEP to other hardware platforms and eventually, in cooperation with Sun (of all companies!), created OPENSTEP, a framework that could be installed on WindowsNT, Solaris, etc. This was before Java and pretty soon Sun lost interest in OPENSTEP. And then the Apple deal happened. Had NeXT not been bought by Apple, OPENSTEP might have survived as a niche player for custom app development. Maybe.

No, we were about to file an IPO at NeXT with WebObjects as our flagship focus. Openstep was canceled/put on hold while we were building up WOF and the long-term Enterprise series of applications to be built off of those frameworks, which borrowed heavily from Foundation/AppKit/, etc.

The day of the announcement, our CFO went to work for another corporation, along with several of our enterprise folks.
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post #47 of 54
8/22/11 at 2:23pm
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Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer View Post

Of course NeXT took over. I was there. But technically it's called an acquisition.

It's a trick Steve does well. He basically played the same script with Pixar to save Disney Animation Studios which was a wreck. Disney buys Pixar, and who becomes president of Disney Animation Studios? Ed Catmull! And Chief Creative Officer? John Lasseter!
Hiro's Hall of Shame ignore list: Tulkas -- because we know he wasn't born dumb.
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Hiro's Hall of Shame ignore list: Tulkas -- because we know he wasn't born dumb.
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post #48 of 54
8/22/11 at 3:07pm
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By the summer of 2010, HP realized that just like Palm the year prior, it desperately needed to demonstrate a new mobile development platform if it wanted any hope of competing against Apple. Under the helm of chief executive Mark Hurd, it subsequently paid $1.2 billion for Palm in order to hit the ground running, building upon the work Palm already completed.

HP abruptly pulls out of hardware

Shortly afterward, Hurd was replaced as HP's chief executive by Léo Apotheker, the former chief of SAP, an enterprise software company then embroiled in a high profile intellectual property lawsuit brought by Oracle.

Replace a visionary with a software guy and - gasp! - he wants to turn HP into a software company!

What a typical American-manufactured gutless MBA type. Ugh. How utterly disgusting to watch HP under this idiots tenure flush away HP's opportunity to remain relevant going forward. Simply unbelievable...
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post #49 of 54
8/22/11 at 3:11pm
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Originally Posted by nvidia2008 View Post

And yup. Web apps are just not at the level of native apps.

People need to remember that a web browser is basically the same thing as a 3270 terminal.

Sure, it has some graphics and a little local processing through JavaScript, Flash, Java and maybe some other plugins, but fundamentally the model is the same. You are never going to beat locally executed and native API applications.

This is why I sincerely doubt Apple gives Google and the Chromebook a second thought.
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post #50 of 54
8/22/11 at 3:16pm
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Originally Posted by 4miler View Post

Either Microsoft or Google Android should just buy up the WebOS team and IP, more likely Google. It'd be exciting if Google bought up the WebOS hardware side as well and integrated it with its Motorola hardware capability. That would really give Google soms guns to tackle Apple.

You've obviously never held a Pre - the hardware was crap! And while I haven't held a TouchPad, it was panned pretty hard in the reviews.

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As Apple fans, we all know that Apple needs competition, otherwise Apple is even worse than Bill Gates when he was at his worst.

Yup, Apple needs competition. Why with them creating the personal computer, delivering the first affordable GUI to the masses, developing the most popular digital music players along with the most popular music store and then single-handedly creating the existing smart phone market from a company wiht no experience and then if that wasn't enough replacing the decades old concept of "tablet" with the iPad...

Yup, Apple needs to be motivated by others Actually, you are partially correct - other companies need to keep thoroughly sucking so Apple will be motivated to move into those areas.

As for "worse than Bill Gates.." - what the heck is that supposed to mean? Talk about meaningless and open-ended...
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post #51 of 54
8/22/11 at 3:17pm
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I don't get the negative response to the idea of HP providing cross-platform development tools.

Cross-platform tools suck. You get the worst of all platforms - real least-common denominator stuff.

Sure, they might be able to deliver cross-platform tools that suck less than others - but is that really something to aspire to?
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post #52 of 54
8/22/11 at 3:26pm
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Replace a visionary with a software guy and - gasp! - he wants to turn HP into a software company!

What a typical American-manufactured gutless MBA type. Ugh. How utterly disgusting to watch HP under this idiots tenure flush away HP's opportunity to remain relevant going forward. Simply unbelievable...

If you are talking about Leo Apotheker, be advised that he was born in Germany and educated in Israel.
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post #53 of 54
8/22/11 at 5:05pm
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If you are talking about Leo Apotheker, be advised that he was born in Germany and educated in Israel.

Then he's been infected by our disease - too bad
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post #54 of 54
8/22/11 at 7:47pm
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Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton View Post

I recall a similar move by NeXT during the post-hardware years when NeXT tried to salvage their ObjC-based frameworks on other, competing platforms such as Windows NT, before Apple finally bought them. Perhaps this is not the end of Enyo (or whatever or is called).

And Apple should buy (what's left of) Palm now. A hell of a lot less than what HP paid, plus they get all the great UI (iOS needs it badly) AND the software (iOS does not need this. Linux plus JavaScript? No thanks.) AND the patents. (probably worth the sale price alone) Plus, they could get Rubinstein and the rest of the them (especially the UX team) back.

The only other big buyer would be MS, and somehow I think even Ballmer's smart enough to realize he wouldn't have a clue how to make it work.
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