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The release of new MacBook Airs and the Mac OS X Lion operating system last month helped spur double-digit growth for Apple, which is now estimated to sell a record 4.5 million systems during the ongoing September quarter.

Preliminary figures for the PC sales released by market research firm NPD on Monday indicate that sales of Macs in the United States rose 26% year-over-year in July, which puts the Mac maker on a pace to meet consensus estimates of 4.5 million total sales for the three-month period ending September.

Gene Munster, an analyst with Piper Jaffray, attributed the rise to new Mac products but warned that it will be more challenging for Apple to maintain such growth throughout the quarter, as the company saw 29% and 20% respective growth rates during August and September of 2010, compared to July's 14%.

"We believe Mac sales benefited from the 7/20 launch of OS X Lion along with refreshed MacBook Airs and Mac minis," he said. "But these tailwinds will fade throughout the September quarter and year-over-year compares get slightly tougher in the last two months of the quarter."

Performing his own extrapolation and analysis of the NPD data, Munster estimates that Apple is pacing to sell 4.4 million to 4.6 million Macs during the September quarter -- both of which would represent a quarterly best.

Meanwhile, Munster noted that sales of iPods during the month of July fell just 15%, which was better than the 24% he had been modeling. He said the figures suggest Apple's quarterly iPod sales will fall to just 7.2 to 7.7 million for the quarter.
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I'd attribute it to the new MacBook Air more than Lion per se. The 2010 model sold well during its first quarter, but slowed down a bit after the 2011 MacBook Pros came out. Now the MacBook Air is competitive again, and more compelling for many than the Pro.
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I remember when iPod sales were all analysts talked about. Now the decline of iPod sales means nothing.
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HP shareholders must be weeping into their losses.

How come Apple can be profitable with PC's? Just goes to show that the race to the bottom caused by determination to drop prices is not the key to longterm success.
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What I'm wondering about is; how many trackpads Apple sold along with those new Lion copies. I for one bought Lion for my iMac (2007) and realized that I needed a Magic Trackpad if I wanted to enjoy Lion to its fullest. And boy, was I right. I can't imagine operating Lion without one.
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Actually, it's because everyone was trying to snap up Snow Leopard machines before they were forced to use the horrible Lion. Disastrous Address Book and iCal, anyone? Thank God for BusyCal, but there are no viable Address Book alternatives.
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What's that, other thread? "Drastically" lowered Mac sales because of a "lame" back to school promo? HUH. LOOK AT THAT.

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Actually, it's because everyone was trying to snap up Snow Leopard machines before they were forced to use the horrible Lion. Disastrous Address Book and iCal, anyone? Thank God for BusyCal, but there are no viable Address Book alternatives.

lul.
I can honestly say that the new UI for iCal and address book aren't as much as a problem as people seem to making it out to believe. I actually like the iCal UI, it's nice to see something different. I never really use Address Book on OS X, so I can't comment on that.
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Lion was released when it was only 95% ready for prime time—which is embarrassing, and would keep me from using it as my primary machine if I had a choice. The bugs and quirks I’ve seen in the past few weeks are all very minor, but there at least 10 of them! I run into one several times a day. (Maybe Bluetooth turns itself on, or a list that should be sorted by date goes back to alphabetic—thinks like that.)

However, I’m using it anyway: I got a new Air. And I must admit, quirks and all, Lion still SO much better than Snow Leopard (or Windows).

I have no problem with any of the “scary changes”—they don’t take long to adjust to, and you can’t have improvement without change. Just fix the bugs and you’ve got something great!

(I haven’t tried 10.7.1--I don’t like to jump on OS updates early--so I’m sure Lion is somewhat better now.)
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Actually, it's because everyone was trying to snap up Snow Leopard machines before they were forced to use the horrible Lion. Disastrous Address Book and iCal, anyone? Thank God for BusyCal, but there are no viable Address Book alternatives.

cum on...there is nothing particularly wrong with lion. The whole hate against it is just because apple is popular now so trolls can finally get thumbs up for hating on apple products. If you don't like the new features, don't use them. Improved performance on newer macs and security beyond that of windows makes a 30 dollar OS more than an upgrade...
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Lion is the best computer OS I have ever used. It is fast, Stable and has a great user interface.... I can see how it is driving MAC sales....


Now Lion Server is the exact opposite. It broke almost everything that was working well in the Snow Leopard server. It has to be the worse server OS release I have ever seen...... I hope it will get better, but right now it is almost useless...
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HP shareholders must be weeping into their losses.

How come Apple can be profitable with PC's? Just goes to show that the race to the bottom caused by determination to drop prices is not the key to longterm success.

I'd argue in answer to your first question, indeed have been with some on AI, that Apple was never even part of there 'PC' model. The PC era is in its sunset year but Macs are just getting started.
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Not impressed with Lion...My Mac is slower than before and I don't believe I am using any of the new features. I have not upgraded the 3 other machines in the house yet.

Just like Windows when it adds more and more functionality, certain functions will take longer and more cpu and ram will be required.

A couple of more major updates and the MAC OS will be bloated like Windows which everyone loves here
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Muenster seems to always have a but whenever he says something good about apple.

Anyway, he is so wrong here. Lion and MBA were released on July 20. The 26 percent increase probably happened in the last 10 days of the month. They probably sold 60 percent of the macs for July that last 10 days. Apple sells 5 million macs this Q.
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Lion is the best computer OS I have ever used. It is fast, Stable and has a great user interface.... I can see how it is driving MAC sales....


Now Lion Server is the exact opposite. It broke almost everything that was working well in the Snow Leopard server. It has to be the worse server OS release I have ever seen...... I hope it will get better, but right now it is almost useless...

I've yet to play with Lion Server and you and many don't seem too impressed. I'm staying with SL Server for now. From what I have read it seems that Lion Server is aimed at the consumer market and perhaps points to a domestic home hub server at some point.
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Actually, it's because everyone was trying to snap up Snow Leopard machines before they were forced to use the horrible Lion. Disastrous Address Book and iCal, anyone? Thank God for BusyCal, but there are no viable Address Book alternatives.

YMMV.

I found snow to be the best OS at the time, but so far lion blows it outta the water. I would say it is 90% of the way to perfection. And that on a slow 3 year old MacBook.
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Just like Windows when it adds more and more functionality, certain functions will take longer and more cpu and ram will be required.

A couple of more major updates and the MAC OS will be bloated like Windows which everyone loves here

Yeah, been hearing that since 2002. It will happen right after the virus threats come true...
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Not impressed with Lion...My Mac is slower than before and I don't believe I am using any of the new features. I have not upgraded the 3 other machines in the house yet.

Just like Windows when it adds more and more functionality, certain functions will take longer and more cpu and ram will be required.

A couple of more major updates and the MAC OS will be bloated like Windows which everyone loves here

Strange I saw thew opposite. I upgraded a range of Macs from the newest MBP to an old MacBook. The old MacBook seemed far more responsive with Lion for me. As to not using its new features ... that seems an odd thing if indeed truly possible (even if you try to avoid them). Why upgrade?
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I'd attribute it to the new MacBook Air more than Lion per se. The 2010 model sold well during its first quarter, but slowed down a bit after the 2011 MacBook Pros came out. Now the MacBook Air is competitive again, and more compelling for many than the Pro.

Lion actually kept me from buying a new computer, and unless it changes a lot, I won't be buying a new one this fall. I don't like Lion - my productivity would go way down, as would my enjoyment of using a Mac.
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Lion actually kept me from buying a new computer, and unless it changes a lot, I won't be buying a new one this fall. I don't like Lion - my productivity would go way down, as would my enjoyment of using a Mac.

Pray tell why?

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I'm dead impressed with Lion, the UI is slick as hell.
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Lion actually kept me from buying a new computer, and unless it changes a lot, I won't be buying a new one this fall. I don't like Lion - my productivity would go way down, as would my enjoyment of using a Mac.

Lacking just about all details. Why did you reach that conclusion with Lion? After using Lion, I won't go back to Snow Leopard. There's still some tweaking issues that need to be resolved (WiFi) but all-in-all, it was a great first-release of a new OS. The multi-touch gestures makes it a gem to use!

Besides, there are options to tweak Lion to mimic just about every behavior that SL had.

So what's your concern with it?
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Actually, it's because everyone was trying to snap up Snow Leopard machines before they were forced to use the horrible Lion. Disastrous Address Book and iCal, anyone? Thank God for BusyCal, but there are no viable Address Book alternatives.

It's comments like these from posters who supply zero-details that lead me to believe it's another fine example of iHating trolls.

What's so "horrible" about it? I've been using it since day one. Sure, it's not as solid as SL was at the end of its life, but it is very, very close. I certainly will not go back to SL. It's a great system, runs smooth, multi-touch heaven, and simply a well-thought-out first-release.

So iCal & Address Book changed? So what? It took me all of two minutes to get used to it. I suppose if they didn't change it, folks like you would crucify Apple for keeping an "old & tired" interface?
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Agreed, and a better story for Apple: Lion is a compelling reason to buy primarily for existing Mac users, but the MBA is a compelling reason to switch.

if you used Filevault then go to Lion soon. You won't regret that (Filevault2) since filevault 1 blows huge chunks. But other than that there really is no compelling reason to dump snow leopard.
am not loving the 'greyness' of the menu in lion Finder.
i find lion interface to be very ubuntu 'unity' with regards to 'launchpad'. not that they copied, both are heading in a touch-tablet-heavy direction so lots of potential 'touch point icons'.
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It's comments like these from posters who supply zero-details that lead me to believe it's another fine example of iHating trolls.

What's so "horrible" about it? I've been using it since day one. Sure, it's not as solid as SL was at the end of its life, but it is very, very close. I certainly will not go back to SL. It's a great system, runs smooth, multi-touch heaven, and simply a well-thought-out first-release.

So iCal & Address Book changed? So what? It took me all of two minutes to get used to it. I suppose if they didn't change it, folks like you would crucify Apple for keeping an "old & tired" interface?

i had same issue with ical, address book that i had with snow leopard. wouldn't sync. delete account, try again then it worked.
The cleanup of Mail interface is nice. 'Full Screen Apps' will be cool when everyone takes advantage (although it is a bit slow on 2nd gen MBA)
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"We believe Mac sales benefited from the 7/20 launch of OS X Lion along with refreshed MacBook Airs and Mac minis,"

As others have stated, I'd attribute any post 7/20 bump in sales more to the new hardware than the new OS.

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I can honestly say that the new UI for iCal and address book aren't as much as a problem as people seem to making it out to believe. I actually like the iCal UI, it's nice to see something different. I never really use Address Book on OS X, so I can't comment on that.

iCal may look pretty, but it's functionality as a calendar program is pretty abysmal. This has been true of every version of iCal. My only conclusion is that nobody at Apple actually uses iCal as a business tool. It's really not much more than a good reminders program, which, granted, is probably all that most users need. But of all of Apple's include apps and iapps (Mail, iPhoto, etc), it's the wrost.

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cum on...there is nothing particularly wrong with lion. The whole hate against it is just because apple is popular now so trolls can finally get thumbs up for hating on apple products. If you don't like the new features, don't use them. Improved performance on newer macs and security beyond that of windows makes a 30 dollar OS more than an upgrade...

As a long-time Mac user, since the mid-80s, and not a troll, there is plenty to not like about Lion. Those issues don't affect most users, but for those who are affected, the impact is significant. If you go to some of the less biased sites (AI is to Apple as Fox News is to Republicans...although lately DEDs writing has become much more balanced), I've never seen such a strong negative reaction to an OS X release.

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Lion is the best computer OS I have ever used. It is fast, Stable and has a great user interface.... I can see how it is driving MAC sales....

It's Mac, not MAC. I really don't see how Lion is driving Media Access Control ports. Or driving sales of Macs, for that matter. At $30 for the OS, there's not much financial incentive to wait to upgrade your hardware just to get the new OS. When OS upgrades were $130, that was equivalent of getting a 10% discount on the hardware to wait for the new OS before upgrading your Mac.
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i had same issue with ical, address book that i had with snow leopard. wouldn't sync. delete account, try again then it worked.
The cleanup of Mail interface is nice. 'Full Screen Apps' will be cool when everyone takes advantage (although it is a bit slow on 2nd gen MBA)
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I had a couple of "interesting" behaviors with address book sync. Scratched my head a few times with why it was behaving that way. Did it in the beginning, but resolved itself. I think I just re-edited the entry in question and did a manual sync and problem was resolved. Didn't have a problem since then. All in all, a five-minute hiccup that for all I know, may not even (for me at least) have been a Lion issue but perhaps a cloud-syncing issue at that particular time and I was a victim of bad-timing. Dunno.. I didn't dwell on it after it was resolved.

But when folks slam Lion without giving any details whatsoever, well then I just question the sincerity of that poster.

Lion is not perfect, but then again neither is SL. On the other hand, I think every OS out there be it Windows, Linux, OSX, Amiga, <insert any other OS> all are not perfect.

If he's going to preach the uselessness of a product, be prepared to be called on it. Otherwise, accept that he's probably some shill trolling around as he has nothing better to do.

I haven't used Office2011 on the Mac yet. I'd consider it and would appreciate feedback since I have many clients that are considering the move to Macs and using Office would seal the deal. I've heard issues with it, but I'm still trying to get a feel if its more a user-adapting issue or something downright wrong with the product. I'm playing the wait-and-see approach since I still can.
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What I'm wondering about is; how many trackpads Apple sold along with those new Lion copies. I for one bought Lion for my iMac (2007) and realized that I needed a Magic Trackpad if I wanted to enjoy Lion to its fullest. And boy, was I right. I can't imagine operating Lion without one.

Same experience here. Getting Lion and the trackpad extended the usefulness of my mid 2007 iMac.

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HP shareholders must be weeping into their losses.

How come Apple can be profitable with PC's? Just goes to show that the race to the bottom caused by determination to drop prices is not the key to longterm success.

Sure isn't. For you MBA types out there (no i don't mean MacBook Air) Michael Porter has been preaching that for over 20 years.But having an original innovative idea is much much harder than competing for the bottom.
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Same experience here. Getting Lion and the trackpad extended the usefulness of my mid 2007 iMac.

Bought a magic trackpad for my MBA (to compliment Cinema display and external keyboard). Gave up using my brand new Magic Mouse.

Will be buying one for my iMac now too. I wanted to use Lion on my MBA before I upgraded my main iMac workhorse. The multi-touch alone is such a pleasure to use.
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Because of Lion? Um, what are you basing this on, exactly, AI? I delayed my purchase of an MBA until July because I was waiting for the refresh that was on hold because of Lion, but I sure as heck wasn't waiting FOR Lion. I honestly could care less about Lion and don't use any of the goofy new iOS wannabe features anyway. I've heard this sentiment from many, many recent purchasers of Apple products, so it seems more like Apple's MBA drove Lion sales during July.
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HP shareholders must be weeping into their losses.

How come Apple can be profitable with PC's? Just goes to show that the race to the bottom caused by determination to drop prices is not the key to longterm success.

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I remember when iPod sales were all analysts talked about. Now the decline of iPod sales means nothing.

It isn't that declining iPod sales mean nothing. It's more that iPod sales have been replaced by iPhone sales. My iPhone *IS* my iPod.
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What I'm wondering about is; how many trackpads Apple sold along with those new Lion copies.

Agreed! I bought a trackpad this summer so I could be used to it before Lion was released. And I bought a new 2011 Mini the day it was released. I sold my 2009 Mini the next day. God, I love how well used Macs retain their value.
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Well I just pickd up the trackpad earlier this spring in an impulse buy but I like it.

Lion rocks on my iMac with an SSD! If it was any faster I'd get nausea..... But I had a wifi issue that had me spewing all kinds of swear words. I reset the SMC like support said to no avail. It was only after I did it twice that it worked! My MacBook pro worked fine since I preemptively reset the SMC.

Another negative was the end of support for PPC emulation. My favorite chess GUI was the victim.

Everything else is working mush better and more consistently, including my vmware fusion, that is faster than a physical windows laptop I have.

Performance overall is very close, iTunes works better on lion, but with CS5 I think snow leopard is slightly faster. Could be the iOSing of it?

Still for windoze converts either OS will impress! A convert friend of mine described it best: she said, well now I don't have to scratch my head anymore thinking WTF did just happen?
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But they no longer come with DVD Restore Discs and the MacBook Airs don't even DVD drives. There is no way Apple could be increasing their sales¡
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Lion is the best computer OS I have ever used. It is fast, Stable and has a great user interface.... I can see how it is driving MAC sales....


Now Lion Server is the exact opposite. It broke almost everything that was working well in the Snow Leopard server. It has to be the worse server OS release I have ever seen...... I hope it will get better, but right now it is almost useless...

It was basically a re-imagining of server. It is quite a bit different then Snow Leopard Server. Except for iCal Server they moved from twisted to a new GCD based web server with Ruby on Rails and Sinatra running on top. They built Profile Manager on top of this new framework. MCX is now deprecated in favor of MDM. Kerberos works completely differently and has fewer gotchas for a novice. They are lowering the importance of Server Admin and Workgroup Manager to eventually remove them. You might as well call this a 1.0 product because that is what it is.
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But they no longer come with DVD Restore Discs and the MacBook Airs don't even DVD drives. There is no way Apple could be increasing their sales¡

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