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After Microsoft's head of Windows Phone 7 offered free phones and training to any published webOS developers, he reported being "caught a bit flatfooted" to find 500 people interested in actually taking him up on the offer.

Shortly after HP announced the surprise termination of its mobile hardware business, Watson tweeted, "To Any Published WebOS Devs: We'll give you what you need to be successful on #WindowsPhone, incl.free phones, dev tools, and training, etc."

Microsoft similarly offered to pay iPhone developers to bring their apps to Windows Phone 7 last summer, but that didn't result in a flock of attention for the new platform. Six months later, Microsoft's own developers were still complaining that they hadn't been paid and couldn't even see if their apps were selling.

At the same time, Microsoft was advertising that 15,000 developers were "signaling their intent to bring exciting content to Windows Phone," while claiming 3,000 apps in the pipeline.

Microsoft welcomes webOS developers

After getting "more than 500 emails" inquiring about the free smartphones, Watson replied, "to be honest, we didnt expect this level of response," adding that "It took a few days (on the weekend) to pull all the mails together into one place to allow me to respond in a smart way and not retype every mail by hand."

He concluded his note saying "We are psyched to have you aboard and to see what your imagination can do on the Windows Phone canvas," an interesting invitation given that Microsoft strongly downplayed the importance of apps as it prepared to relaunched Windows Mobile under the Windows Phone 7 brand, complete with a new UI that mixed features into a grid rather than calling attention to a library of apps.



Microsoft: a platform without first party hardware is "abandoned"

Microsoft has found itself trapped between its legacy of Windows Mobile, which once had a significant third party software platform, and its new Windows Phone 7 brand, which broke compatibility with the existing generation of stylus-driven apps to deliver a rethought user interface patterned after the Zune music player.

The company is planning to similarly remake Windows 7 to feature a touch-centric interface that runs web-based apps capable of running on ARM processors, tentatively dubbed Windows 8.

Watson claimed HP had "abandoned the [webOS] platform," despite HP's efforts to adopt a licensing business model that could actually bring webOS more into direct competition with Windows Phone 7 than it was formerly.

HP has maintained that it is not abandoning the platform, but rather just killing its hardware portfolio, although such a distinction may simply be semantic. However, Microsoft currently does not make first party hardware for its Windows, Windows Phone 7 or Slate PC platforms either.

Partner or prey?

HP was Microsoft's primary tablet partner last year when the two companies appeared on stage to tout Slate PC just prior to Apple's debut of the original iPad. HP subsequently purchased Palm and discontinued both its Windows 7 slate and its Windows Mobile smartphones in favor of its own webOS.

HP's Personal Systems Group continues to be the largest licensee of Microsoft's Windows PC platform, making Watson's unflattering digs at HP, whether automated or retyped by hand, a curious business strategy.
post #2 of 55
500 people?
post #3 of 55
Interesting.
post #4 of 55
Probably web app in a native wrapper and game developers looking to port to yet another platform. They were probably holding off due to low market share, but jumped to get training and other support for free.

The challenge is to get hard-core first party developers for your platform to create the best experience for your users.

Nokia will be trying to strengthen Windows 7 soon, but my feelings are that this will be WebOS-like release with Nokia changing their mind yet again on what their strategy is. Any company not willing to commit to a long term strategy is going to fail. Windows 7 isn't competitive enough yet, so Nokia isn't going to find a lot of success right out of the gate. Microsoft is persistent though... they may be the only ones with a chance to be a third player in this market. Microsoft couldn't compete with the iPod ecosystem though. There are a lot of parallels in the smart phone ecosystem... so they may be doomed from the start.
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I'm shocked to find yet another Microsoft-article here.

Oh wait.
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post #6 of 55
The headline of the story is misleading and makes you guys look foolish.

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post #7 of 55
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Originally Posted by kpluck View Post

The headline of the story is misleading and makes you guys look foolish.

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The writter is DED. What did you expect?
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Originally Posted by sflocal View Post

500 people?

Free Phones! What would you expect. Their current phone and tablet, Pre and HP Touchpad... DEAD. Developing for a platform to make a living... GONE!

Imagine had Apple put forth the following... "We'll give you what you need to be successful on iPhone, incl.free phones, dev tools, and training, etc."

What do you get?

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post #9 of 55
What is most telling is that this MS guy is unprepared for 500.

How much worse can it get?
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

What is most telling is that this MS guy is unprepared for 500.

How much worse can it get?

Maybe he was surprised that there were 500 webOS developers.

All kidding aside, it makes me wonder.

If HP can't find the value in making webOS devices themselves, why would anyone want to license it? The best I can see is some niche uses, and that's not enough to keep the platform alive. Maybe some kind of kiosk, appliance or vehicle use such as the center console or entertainment system. I see that as recovering what you can from the project, not a prospect with a likely future.
post #11 of 55
What qualifies as a WebOS developer? There are probably some people who released some piece of crap, amateurish looking app for WebOS, which didn't sell much of course, and now they're just trying to get a free phone. Many people will do anything for stuff that's real cheap or even better, for free.
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The writter is DED. What did you expect?

I knew from the tabloid headline that it was another DED article

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post #13 of 55
I'd be surprised too. I thought most webOS developers would be multiplatform so would already be on WP7.
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I knew from the tabloid headline that it was another DED article

Me too.
post #15 of 55
April fool!
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Most are probably not even developers, they just want free phone and then run. lol
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Microsoft shocked to find interest in Windows Phone 7

Haaaa haa ha! Tut tut, now, be nice!
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I knew from the tabloid headline that it was another DED article

Knew it was DED from the headline, but that doesn't mean it's not a good and funny headline. I don't think we should tech too seriously until the Singularity arrives.
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post #19 of 55
After backing the wrong horse, they are now picking up its poo.
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Free Phones! What would you expect. Their current phone and tablet, Pre and HP Touchpad... DEAD. Developing for a platform to make a living... GONE!

Imagine had Apple put forth the following... "We'll give you what you need to be successful on iPhone, incl.free phones, dev tools, and training, etc."

What do you get?

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Apple could do the same thing . . . oh, wait, Apple doesn't need more apps.
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What qualifies as a WebOS developer? There are probably some people who released some piece of crap, amateurish looking app for WebOS, which didn't sell much of course, and now they're just trying to get a free phone. Many people will do anything for stuff that's real cheap or even better, for free.

Look for spike in eBay auctions for unused Windows 7 phones in the original packaging.
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I knew from the tabloid headline that it was another DED article

I think the headline was supposed to be sarcastic. I still don't get why there is so much animus on a site for Apple fans for a writer who is an Apple fan.
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post #23 of 55
Brandon Watson isn't the head of Windows Phone 7, it is Joe Belfiore.
post #24 of 55
Man's got a lot of relatives,maybe.
post #25 of 55
First webOS developers got suckers into the OS by HP though it might be partly HP's blame. Microsoft is likely getting suckered into supplying people with fee smart phones. After all free beats just about any technology advantage one might find on other platforms.
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... After getting "more than 500 emails" inquiring about the free smartphones, Watson replied, "to be honest, we didn’t expect this level of response," ...

Especially after Mr. Ballmer himself said that Windows Phone 7 sales had (and I quote exactly): "gone from very small to … very small."

So out of the 500 developers who said they were going to build WP7 apps, how many do you think just wanted a free WP7 phone? To sell on eBay?

And even if all 500 of those developers do end up shipping WP7 apps, does Mr. Watson expect the needle to move at all? Or will sales go "from very small to ... very small" all over again?

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post #27 of 55
That's all?

Oh wait. This is the Zune. Phone edition.
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I think the headline was supposed to be sarcastic. I still don't get why there is so much animus on a site for Apple fans for a writer who is an Apple fan.

Because many people appreciate accuracy, and deplore bias presented as news. It's a reality thing.
post #29 of 55
honestly, it is not different than people going to VZ or AT&T to get a free phone this country is so filled with people who feel entitle to free things. What did he expect you tell people they can have free things of course they will take it.

I bet the response that MS will give these people is a long small print contract to get the so called free phone, probably requires them to product 10 apps for MS, kind of like the music industry, for the free tour bus, all they can eat, free hotel room, all the artist has to do is crank out 10 new songs every year.

nothing is really free...
post #30 of 55
MSFT is a company run by fools. The only way they seem to succeed these days is to buy off developers - with the Xbox, .net and mobile. Thankfully they have now become irrelevant in the mobile space and hopefully will stay that way.
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The headline of the story is misleading and makes you guys look foolish.

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On the contrary, unless the reader has the guilelessness of an infant, the headline is precise and to the point.

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On the contrary, unless the reader has the guilelessness of an infant, the headline is precise and to the point.

It is precise, but only by incredibly low standards of precision. Any context is missing from the headline, so you may as well use a meter stick to measure the thickness of paper and call that precise and to the point.
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It is precise, but only by incredibly low standards of precision. Any context is missing from the headline, so you may as well use a meter stick to measure the thickness of paper and call that precise and to the point.

Well, I'm no expert, but I don't think there is supposed to be context in headlines... The point of a headline is to grab attention--context is supplied in the article!
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Well, I'm no expert, but I don't think there is supposed to be context in headlines... The point of a headline is to grab attention--context is supplied in the article!

I think that's roughly the Murdoch standard of headlines (or that of any tabloid) - giving people a misleading impression to get people to read the article, even if the headline is true, it's still fairly misleading. In other words, precision is not a standard here.
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Funny title,
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I think that's roughly the Murdoch standard of headlines (or that of any tabloid) - giving people a distorted impression to get people to read the article. In other words, precision is not a standard here.

So, when the headline says: "Microft shocked to find interest in Windosw Phone 7" and the direct quote shows a Microsoft division head expressing shock in the interest, how is that Murdochian?
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After getting "more than 500 emails" inquiring about the free smartphones, Watson replied, "to be honest, we didnt expect this level of response," adding that "It took a few days (on the weekend) to pull all the mails together into one place to allow me to respond in a smart way and not retype every mail by hand."

And don't be too cute. It is not just tabloids--headlines don't have context in any paper. That is not to say they cannot be misleading, but I dont think this one is beyond the pale...
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I'm shocked to find yet another Microsoft-article here

It's more of a Microsoft bashing article. And I have no problem with that. I'm not against other platforms being successful, but I'd prefer Microsoft to not be one of them. I hate seeing bad business practices be rewarded.
post #38 of 55
Well, assuming all 500 were published webos developers, this is a huge present for windows phone. This means fresh thinking in the mix and renewed interesting the platform. I think ms has just secured 3d place in the consumer smartphone market and all they had to do was wait out their competitors.
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Most are probably not even developers, they just want free phone and then run. lol

How can you be a "published developer" and "not even a developer" in the same time? I guess reading is not one of your skills.
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I knew from the tabloid headline that it was another DED article

Exactly. In fact, this is probably the last reason to visit AppleInsider, just to guess which bombastic title was made up by DED. I guess I am right about 95%, but it is not that difficult.

To his merit, seems he failed to mention how Android is doomed in the recent article. Is he losing his passion ?
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