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Originally Posted by Tim Dragon View Post

Everyone knows the true reason why Steve Jobs resigned. Apple cannot compete with dedicated handheld gaming devices. What Apple fans are not familiar with is that Steve Jobs was an employee of Atari and received his business training from Ataris main investor. The Apple II was designed around the video game Break-Out which Wozniak essentially designed. Video games created the personal computer, not the other way around. In the same way, handheld video games created the handheld computers, not the other way around. And despite Steve Jobss origins in gaming, his success in media only comes from old media such as movies (Pixar) to music (iPod). Steve Jobs has had the same exact effect on video games as Bill Gates: none. Aside from providing computer hardware that can also play video games, the nature of video games has been unchanged and uninfluenced by Jobs.

It is wise for Steve Jobs to exit his role in the company now when it is clear that he has failed for the second time (the first time was in home game consoles, the second was handheld game consoles) to take over gaming. Steve Jobs has failed to surpass his original employer, Nolan Bushnell, in influence over video games.

Meanwhile, dedicated game hardware continues along merrily oblivious to what goes on in Apple.

I'm going to have to assume this is a joke, because no one could possibly be so clueless.
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

I'm going to have to assume this is a joke, because no one could possibly be so clueless.

You'd think.... but i agree with you.. let's not go there
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Originally Posted by wiiztec View Post

I concur. It is sad that so many still think video games sprang from the computer revolution when it is actually the other way around.

I regret to inform you that your first post is to concur with a bat shit insane opinion. You can still recover, but it's going to take some work. Good luck.
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post #284 of 329
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Originally Posted by Commodification View Post

Glad I don't own Apple stock right now because it's going to kind-of-suck for shareholders tomorrow.

Steve Jobs was the man (and my favorite cult leader), and Apple is going to struggle a while without him.

Well, it looks like all the complete assholes that were worrying about their AAPL and predicting a complete collapse instead of wishing Steve Jobs well yesterday might want to hold onto the stock for a while longer. Didn't happen did it, assholes.
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Originally Posted by AbsoluteDesignz View Post

Some of you are bordering on deifying the man. -_-

creepy

and before you call me callous read my previous two comments in this thread

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post #286 of 329
steve definitely has shown apple the way when it comes to devices. i do think that apple has much room to grow if they handle it properly. oddly enough, it should be in a direction that steve didn't really seem to put much into: Enterprise. You have the best hardware and OS on the planet. Now let it take over at the workplace. Loosen the reigns a bit.
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In addition, there is no one at Apple who would deny Jobs a decision. He's proven all he needs to. Jobs is interested in product R&D. He's also interested in final product approval. Why would anyone at Apple disagree with him having that? I can't think of a single reason.

Do you think he would be willing to offer his opinion if he wasn't across all the details? I'm not so sure.
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Originally Posted by Tim Dragon View Post

Everyone knows the true reason why Steve Jobs resigned. Apple cannot compete with dedicated handheld gaming devices. What Apple fans are not familiar with is that Steve Jobs was an employee of Atari and received his business training from Atari’s main investor. The Apple II was designed around the video game ‘Break-Out’ which Wozniak essentially designed. Video games created the personal computer, not the other way around. In the same way, handheld video games created the handheld computers, not the other way around. And despite Steve Jobs’s origins in gaming, his success in media only comes from old media such as movies (Pixar) to music (iPod). Steve Jobs has had the same exact effect on video games as Bill Gates: none. Aside from providing computer hardware that can also play video games, the nature of video games has been unchanged and uninfluenced by Jobs.

It is wise for Steve Jobs to exit his role in the company now when it is clear that he has failed for the second time (the first time was in home game consoles, the second was handheld game consoles) to take over gaming. Steve Jobs has failed to surpass his original employer, Nolan Bushnell, in influence over video games.

Meanwhile, dedicated game hardware continues along merrily oblivious to what goes on in Apple.

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I concur. It is sad that so many still think video games sprang from the computer revolution when it is actually the other way around.

You had to create two accounts so someone would agree with your own silly post? That's pretty sad.

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If you investigate I think you'll find that I'm not the person who posted the post I first quoted, I just found it to be on message with the truth of the matter

And if you investigate, you'll find that there's not a single word of that post that is in any way even remotely related to the concept of truth.

Okay, "Steve Jobs was an employee of Atari". Beyond that, it's not even downhill. The hill is absorbed by a Calabi-Yau manifold and spat out above where it begins.

It's perfectly evident that neither of all one of you has any idea what really happened.

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post #290 of 329
Not surprised - but still disappointing news...

Thanks for everything Steve - enjoy the rest of your life!

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Originally Posted by Eluard View Post

Steve you have shown how to steer a company in an ethical but profitable fashion. No one else has been able to remake the face of business in the way you have. Your legacy will last not for years but for centuries. Apple will be a model of success.

On a personal note I hope you live a long time (we are the same age, so I have extra reasons! ). You are an inspiration and I hope you understand how greatly you have been loved well, the well-wishing here does not leave room for any doubt in that regard.

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post #292 of 329
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Originally Posted by ascii View Post

Do you think he would be willing to offer his opinion if he wasn't across all the details? I'm not so sure.

We can be sure that he will know whatever he needs and wants to. Remember, he's still the chairman, and one of the largest stockholders. It's not as though he'll be isolated.
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Originally Posted by andrewevans01 View Post

... I don't find him agreeable as a person, and I feel he is the embodiment of a level of corporate arrogance at Apple. ...

Very thoughtful of you to spew some hate in the middle of this particular thread.
post #294 of 329
Steve - thank you for creating the most innovative, desirable and magical tech products in the world, and for founding and guiding a company that has proven that seamless integration, customer satisfaction, and a moral compass are keys to your much deserved success. You rock!

I discovered my first Mac at my university bookstore, and after all the problems and frustrations I'd had with using PCs, it was a true revelation in what a personal computer should be...I still have that machine, it still works, and I'm a delighted Apple fan.

Good luck in your new role and in life, we know that Apple is in good hands and we can't wait to see what magical products you will create for us next.

Peace and health be with you,
C.
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Sleep
Restart...
Shut Down...

Log Out Steve...


Thanks for the ride man
post #296 of 329
I used to work for someone who mentored Steve in his early career with Apple. He told us that Steve said he wanted to be the next Walt Disney. He said he wanted to create things so amazing that they would change people's lives. Mission accomplished.
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I just tried to help a colleague with a PowerPoint presentation I converted from Keynote. He's using a ThinkPad with Windows7. It's absolute garbage. If you think it's because Keynote from a Mac didn't convert it properly, I verified the PowerPoint file on my Mac using VMWare Fusion Windows7 and another colleague's HP laptop.

Steve is personally responsible for billions of hours of extra productivity that would otherwise be lost (and continues to be lost) by mankind due to the nonsense that is Windows and Office and regular PC desktops/laptops.
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Very thoughtful of you to spew some hate in the middle of this particular thread.

Very thoughtful of you to completely exclude the rest of my post and take one sentence out of context. I was being honest in my opinions about how I feel about him as a person and how his words and actions shaped my opinion towards Apple products. I never said I hated him or that I wished him ill, and I feel that the tech world as a whole will lose out without him at the head of Apple. If you are going to quote me, please quote me in context of the rest of my post.
post #299 of 329
About the COO replacement question - MacRumors has a good article. Apparently they do have someone suitable:

http://www.macrumors.com/2011/08/25/...ating-officer/
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Originally Posted by Tulkas View Post

Ok, my investigation has found that you are the same person and had to register a second acct in order to have someone agree with that first silly post. The 'truth' is that your first posts was so full of fallacies and bizarrely, wacko conclusions, that I am not sure why you bothered to post it originally nor why you thought posting under another name would give it any credence. BS is BS and it was BS.

Talking of the wacky and bizarre, here's an op-ed on CNN (I know, sad but I did read this voluntarily) about Apple's success. Could have guessed that it would be an inaccurate, biassed piece given the author's affiliation, however, I am mad none the less:

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/...tml?&hpt=hp_c2
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Talking of the wacky and bizarre, here's an op-ed on CNN (I know, sad but I did read this voluntarily) about Apple's success. Could have guessed that it would be an inaccurate, biassed piece given the author's affiliation, however, I am mad none the less:

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/...tml?&hpt=hp_c2

How dare Apple buy components in advance using long term contracts! The nerve! Imagine having the balls to actually commit to sourcing components! How entrepreneurial of them, to actually plan ahead vs. buying on the open market.... <gasp!>

/sarcasm

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post #302 of 329
One thing I kind of like about the current state of Apple basing is the cognitive dissonance. OTOH there is still plenty of "small market share appeals to a minority of sheep doesn't want to play in the real world ignore them and they'll eventually go away" sentiment left over from the bad old days, but that is often coupled with "OMG they're a terrifying fascist army bent on extinguishing all freedom and joy."

Often in the same screed. I gather that Apple now somehow represents the (lamentably inevitable) triumph of marketing over substance so that they have the power to enslave all of mankind in their feeble, half-assed net.
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post #303 of 329
As a long-time "Apple hater", I must say that I am sad to see Steve go.

I of course hope his health keeps up, cancer is a terrible affliction.
But also, Jobs was such a unique character. He may have driven one of the most dangerously influential corporate ships in recent history, but it was still exciting to watch, and his genius is unquestionable, even among "haters".

Good luck to Mr. Jobs in anything he wishes to pursue.
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I just tried to help a colleague with a PowerPoint presentation I converted from Keynote. He's using a ThinkPad with Windows7. It's absolute garbage. If you think it's because Keynote from a Mac didn't convert it properly, I verified the PowerPoint file on my Mac using VMWare Fusion Windows7 and another colleague's HP laptop.

Steve is personally responsible for billions of hours of extra productivity that would otherwise be lost (and continues to be lost) by mankind due to the nonsense that is Windows and Office and regular PC desktops/laptops.

Ain't that the truth! OS X finally gave Apple a real modern operating system (compared Mac OS Classic) and that came straight from NeXT. And I love Keynote (I've grown accustomed to the version on iPad). I'll never use SourPoint again

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Originally Posted by Ranguvar View Post

As a long-time "Apple hater", I must say that I am sad to see Steve go.

I of course hope his health keeps up, cancer is a terrible affliction.
But also, Jobs was such a unique character. He may have driven one of the most dangerously influential corporate ships in recent history, but it was still exciting to watch, and his genius is unquestionable, even among "haters".

Good luck to Mr. Jobs in anything he wishes to pursue.

Awful way to punish yourself (or us) as a long time Apple hater, being registered on this site for over two years!

Still, your sentiment is obviously sincere. There is hope!
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Ain't that the truth! OS X finally gave Apple a real modern operating system (compared Mac OS Classic) and that came straight from NeXT. And I love Keynote (I've grown accustomed to the version on iPad). I'll never use SourPoint again

Ain't that the truth!
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That is fucking hilarious. So you guys are actually just a group of virgins in your parents basements fighting the good fight for game consoles of all things. Shit son, I'd suggest maybe getting laid might change your mind about how much fun your little circle jerk really is. Oh, also in case you didn't notice, Apple is still winning and your gameboy companies are still trying to figure out why they are failing so bad. But I guess if they have guys like you and Sean on their side, they have nothing to worry about.

You mad bro?

Worst part is, I've reported that post three times and they're both still not banned.

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Worst part is, I've reported that post three times and they're both still not banned.

The first guy was banned a while ago but the other account actually was from a very different location. I found a link between the two elsewhere though, plus they registered around the same time and obviously had some coincidentally common interests. Gone now.

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Jobs was such a unique character. He may have driven one of the most dangerously influential corporate ships in recent history, but it was still exciting to watch, and his genius is unquestionable, even among "haters".

I think the keynotes from now on will be very dull. Steve had a good sense of humour that doesn't show up with the other presenters, least of all Tim. Here he is talking about the State of the Mac, try and stay awake until the end:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iJce6axaPc

Phil doesn't seem genuine enough; Joswiak and Ive talk too much about too little. I think Scott, Randy, Xander Soren, Peter Steinauer and possibly a couple of others have been really interesting to watch. I personally prefer less of the marketing fluff and just confident demos from people who know what they're talking about and humour is an essential part of it. I'd say Scott is the strongest presenter with these traits. We'll see what the deal is at the iPhone event in the next few weeks.
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Phil doesn't seem genuine enough; Joswiak and Ive talk too much about too little. I think Scott, Randy, Xander Soren, Peter Steinauer and possibly a couple of others have been really interesting to watch. I personally prefer less of the marketing fluff and just confident demos from people who know what they're talking about and humour is an essential part of it. I'd say Scott is the strongest presenter with these traits. We'll see what the deal is at the iPhone event in the next few weeks.

Just because Steve is no longer the CEO doesn't mean he can't appear at new product events, assuming he feels up to it. But ultimately I think the entire format for these events is going to have to change. Steve made those appearances his. Nobody will be able to step into his shoes as a pitchman, so unless the format is altered, comparisons are bound to be made and likely to be unfavorable.
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I think they should start every Apple event from now on by screening the wonderfully creepy, apparently David Lynch inspired rollout of the Asus Padphone.

After that, everyone at Apple comes off as Daniel Craig.
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Talking of the wacky and bizarre, here's an op-ed on CNN (I know, sad but I did read this voluntarily) about Apple's success. Could have guessed that it would be an inaccurate, biassed piece given the author's affiliation, however, I am mad none the less:

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/...tml?&hpt=hp_c2

I don't understand. You're angry that Apple is doing what they should be doing, and what every company tries to do if they can?
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Originally Posted by Ranguvar View Post

As a long-time "Apple hater", I must say that I am sad to see Steve go.

I of course hope his health keeps up, cancer is a terrible affliction.
But also, Jobs was such a unique character. He may have driven one of the most dangerously influential corporate ships in recent history, but it was still exciting to watch, and his genius is unquestionable, even among "haters".

Good luck to Mr. Jobs in anything he wishes to pursue.

The most dangerous one was Microsoft, and today, it's Google.
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I think they should start every Apple event from now on by screening the wonderfully creepy, apparently David Lynch inspired rollout of the Asus Padphone.

After that, everyone at Apple comes off as Daniel Craig.

Is it a floor wax or a dessert topping?

That is more than vaguely sinister. Thank you for sharing.
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Originally Posted by Dr Millmoss View Post

Just because Steve is no longer the CEO doesn't mean he can't appear at new product events, assuming he feels up to it. But ultimately I think the entire format for these events is going to have to change. Steve made those appearances his. Nobody will be able to step into his shoes as a pitchman, so unless the format is altered, comparisons are bound to be made and likely to be unfavorable.

He's been slowly shrinking his time on stage. He may come up and do a short intro to the presentation, and then intro the others to do that actual presentations in their areas.

If Apple comes up with a new product, he'll likely do more of it himself.
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I think they should start every Apple event from now on by screening the wonderfully creepy, apparently David Lynch inspired rollout of the Asus Padphone.

After that, everyone at Apple comes off as Daniel Craig.

It's a bit wacky, but I kind of liked it. He seems to enjoy doing the presentation. I did like where the phone rose up, and he pulled it out from the rear in sync. But the transitions took too long, some had to wait.

It certainly was different! Worth watching.
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He's been slowly shrinking his time on stage. He may come up and do a short intro to the presentation, and then intro the others to do that actual presentations in their areas.

If Apple comes up with a new product, he'll likely do more of it himself.

That's what I'd expect. He'll get a hero's welcome when he steps on stage, even if it's for only a few minutes.

Incidentally, investors have taken this leadership transition in stride -- which only goes to show how much investors dislike uncertainty.
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I don't understand. You're angry that Apple is doing what they should be doing, and what every company tries to do if they can?

No! I am disappointed at the tone the author takes with Apple. For example, he claims that as Apple products 'exist behind a walled garden' (I might be paraphrasing as I do not have the article up), 'that it is much easier for developers to produce software for Android'. This is rubbish. I have witnessed the process on iOS and am a beta-tester. The process on iPad for example is brilliant. (Sorry that I might have mislead you!)

An aside. Our local, Sunday rag has a 'recent' image of Steve on the front cover being supported by a friend. Their description of him as 'skeletal' is, I am very, very sorry to report, quite accurate. I am not feeling too wonderful right now!

All the best.
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About the COO replacement question - MacRumors has a good article. Apparently they do have someone suitable:

http://www.macrumors.com/2011/08/25/...ating-officer/

Doesn't take a genius to work that out. I posted this earlier in (either this topic or another one) that Jeff Williams has taken the post that Tim Cook held. Pre-2004 Tim Cook's official title was "SVP/VP for Operations".
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I think they should start every Apple event from now on by screening the wonderfully creepy, apparently David Lynch inspired rollout of the Asus Padphone.

After that, everyone at Apple comes off as Daniel Craig.

So 21 months ago, wasn't everyone snickering at the name iPad? Particularly women. And now there thisPads and Padthats. Whatever happened to the "slates" that Microsoft promised at CES in January 2010?

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