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An overview of the new AirPlay Mirroring feature of iOS 5 demonstrates how the new operating system release breathes new life into mobile gaming by taking advantage of wireless HDTV integration via Apple TV.

While some existing iOS devices have the ability to wirelessly deliver video playback to HDTVs via the AirPlay feature, iOS 5 will support AirPlay Mirroring to use an Apple TV-connected screen to act as an external display for nearly anything on the mobile device.

The latest beta 6 release of iOS 5 demonstrates new proficiency in presenting smooth, realtime video from existing apps to an external display, according to a report by AppleNApps.

"Currently there are a few apps with HDMI out support so you can enter a special full screen mode as you transfer the iPad screen to the TV via a cable. The full screen modes automatically works wirelessly with AirPlay Mirroring, and should work even better once developers update their apps for the technology," the site notes.

"Its also interesting that iPhone only apps with no iPad native app still work with full screen support via AirPlay Mirroring," the site states, noting that developers can still disable the feature, as Hulu does.

"The feature is simply amazing to use, and redefines not only iPad gaming, but gaming as a whole. Its already great in iOS 5 Beta 6, and when iOS 5 public release hits in the fall, its almost beyond imagination."

Expanded support for AirPlay among iOS app developers should help bring attention to Apple's "hobby" of selling an iOS-based set top box capable of watching Netflix, MLB, Vimeo and YouTube and renting movies and streaming other iTunes content.

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While video mirroring is a very interesting feature opening a lot of very useful possibilities, I sincerely hope that it won't be "the" most interesting aspect of the upcoming version of iOS. How about a more iPhoto-like Photos app?
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Sucks that this is an iPad 2 only feature. No reason the first iPad couldn't do this apart from Apples greed!
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Sucks that this is an iPad 2 only feature. No reason the first iPad couldn't do this apart from Apples greed!

So you know that the CPU in the first iPad is powerful enough to push that many pixels without stuttering?
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Sucks that this is an iPad 2 only feature. No reason the first iPad couldn't do this apart from Apples greed!

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Sucks that this is an iPad 2 only feature. No reason the first iPad couldn't do this apart from Apples greed!

So if we had not had this feature on the otherwise nicely updated iPad2 - then Apple would not have been greedy. Only when they give it some, but not others, then they are greedy?
I thought the hardware (graphics) upgrade was required for this Airplay.

I was reading an old article demonstration that Airplay could not of games, due to the bandwidth required for real time (when you dream youtube it buffers. Having seen AirPlay work in realtime on some games - its very very very impressive
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While video mirroring is a very interesting feature opening a lot of very useful possibilities, I sincerely hope that it won't be "the" most interesting aspect of the upcoming version of iOS. How about a more iPhoto-like Photos app?

I already bought a 65 inch flat screen for the conference room, and an Apple TV. Using good reader to review spreadsheets and pdf docs is terrific. Its a pain right now when i want to show something else on an iPad - and have to dig out the hdmi cable. the HDMI cable and adapter really are not slick on an iPad.

cable less presentations on a decent monitor work very well, the resolution is well matched - what you can read on your iPad shows well on a decent monitor with 5 to 10 people in attendance
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Buy a new iPad, Tekstud.

Apple is still selling plenty of iPad 1stGens, not to mention the users getting one through third party means. To many people it is a new iPad.
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Does anyone have any insight whether the HBO GO app will be able to utilize this feature? I hope HBO goes a different route than Hulu and allows this. Has anyone with the beta of iOS 5 tried this yet? I've been wondering for a long time now thanks.
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Does anyone have any insight whether the HBO GO app will be able to utilize this feature? I hope HBO goes a different route than Hulu and allows this. Has anyone with the beta of iOS 5 tried this yet? I've been wondering for a long time now thanks.

Neither the ABC app or the Sky Go app allow video to be mirrored, just audio.
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Sucks that this is an iPad 2 only feature. No reason the first iPad couldn't do this apart from Apples greed!

Why do you believe this to be the case?

I use AirPlay all the time on my iPad 1 to send full screen video to my Apple TV 2 using the Air Video app under 4.3.5 and it works just fine?

Have they stated that they are deliberately not allowing the mirroring feature for the iPad 1?
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If iPad 3 could do Thunderbolt and also retina display - boy are some things going to get shaken up.

The iPad as a master to slave other devices becomes even stronger - e.g. seeing it as a monitor for photo shoots - being able to look at focus on shots being taken. Actually tethering to the device - using as backup, instant review for focus, lighting, etc - being able to wired or wirelessly fire the camera - get a live view on a retina display screen - will be awesome.

Means no more having to squint back to a tethered monitor - just bring the iPad round whilst setting up shot. Have one on a stand to view.

It also sets the stage for any Apple TV (which will be more like a monitor with Thunderbolt connection, wifi and iTunes for video content) - this will be the device to see your Photostream on! Apple isn't that far from basically unterthering iTunes libraries on an external drive from a Mac, and just plugging if they wanted to your external library directly into your AE, ATV or Apple TV. Why not have iTunes running on an A6?

You get used to iOS5 betas - but there are millions who are going to enjoy the improvements big and small, for free in a few weeks time
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Developers should not be able to disable a core feature of the device's OS -- AirPlay & AirPlay Mirroring!!!

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Sucks that this is an iPad 2 only feature. No reason the first iPad couldn't do this apart from Apples greed!

The video shows iPad 1 not 2 so where does your info come from.

Currently I can play Chopper 2 on my iPad 1 connected to my TV using my iPhone as the controller.

Video mirroring is actually supported on the iPad currently however it's expanded dual screen that isn't supported. They are two different things.

Also it's the AppleTV that is getting the video mirroring capabilities as AirPlay requires an AppleTV.

Might want to read a bit better than you are.
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been using the HDMI dongle to do iPad 2 screen mirroring. as said before, it is clumsy - got a heavy 10 ft cable so i can sit on the sofa.

but that aside, which iOS 5 will solve wirelessly, it is great. use it all the time with SlingPlayer app (streaming from a TiVo/cablebox at my other place) and the PQ is very good. only a few game apps take advantage of it now, like Real Racing, but no doubt many more will jump on for Holiday sales. and i'm sure developers will come up with a new wave of other kinds of apps that take advantage of it too.

but the simplest use that may prove most popular is web browsing when you want to share what you are doing with several people (yeah it will be great for porn, but let's say shopping). it is the first time web browsing on a TV screen was ever any better than awful, and instead suddenly now it is super.

what Google TV and all the rest don't get is the problem with "converging" digital life on the home TV is NOT lack of content like everyone says. there is actually plenty of digital content around already, huge amounts, more than ever, that you can get to your TV one way or another, free or maybe paid. HTPC users have know this for years.

the real problem is the horrible UI's. ever since the first on-screen menus for TV's and VCR's about 30 years ago, all TV remote UI's of all kinds - including today's Apple TV - have been primative up/down/left/right cursor systems of some kind. which all utterly suck no matter what (look at the horrible remote Sony came up with for its Google TV). consumers hate them.

but at long last iOS screen mirroring totally blows the LRUD TV remote out of existence. replacing it completely with the iOS' state of the art touch UI for whatever you mirror to your big screen TV.

it was the iOS UI the revolutionized the cellphone, not the iPhone hardware. it was the iOS UI that revolutionized the tablet. now it will be the iOS UI that revolutionizes the TV.

so this really is a "killer app." it finally makes "convergence" easy to do - and Just Works. Nearly all the "pundits" are so lame they don't see it coming. but soon they will.
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I am not sure how much bandwidth (over Wi-Fi) AirPlay Mirroring needs, but hopefully, we'll see 1080p Apple TV soon. Scaling iPad's 1024x768 to 1280x720 chops off some vertical pixels and rumored iPad 3's retina display will only make the matter worse.

Not being able to see 1080p home movies and photos in 1080p is the #1 reason why I haven't jumped into Apple TV bandwagon. #2 is AirPlay Mirroring at 720p.
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Developers should not be able to disable a core feature of the device's OS -- AirPlay & AirPlay Mirroring!!!

Well, except some apps, such as good-reader can either mirror, or use the iPad as a nav aid, while displaying the pdf doc on the big screen..... But maybe this could be over-ridden by the big mirror button

airplay mirror would be great if it replicated the functionality of the hdmi cable mirroring
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Sucks that this is an iPad 2 only feature. No reason the first iPad couldn't do this apart from Apples greed!

Did you not pay attention to the end of the video? He was streaming from an iPhone 4. That has the same exact processor as in the iPad 1.
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i got beat up in the comments when i posted the following here on December 31, 2009:

"Clearly ATV needs a more compelling purpose to move out of the "hobby" category and become a really popular consumer product.

of the many possibilities mentioned in the comments, IMHO the outstanding one is for ATV to become also a bridge box between your iPhone/touch/Tablet and your high-end HDTV. so you could mirror your apps and games wirelessly on your big screen TV and sound system. among many things, that would cement the touch's status as the leading next gen portable game platform (sorry, Sony and Nintendo). overall it would leverage booming iPhone/touch/Tablet sales into a lot of new ATV sales as well.

but this will require a new generation of more powerful hardware (and some more RAM too), running a version of Leopard 10.5 OS, which would leave current ATV owners behind."

so to all you guys that told me how silly and didn't know what i was talking about 20 months ago ...
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Neither the ABC app or the Sky Go app allow video to be mirrored, just audio.

That's just lame. How is just mirroring the audio going to be useful?

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Apple is still selling plenty of iPad 1stGens, not to mention the users getting one through third party means. To many people it is a new iPad.

Buying a refurbished iPad doesn't count as a "new" iPad, even if it's reconditioned to be like new. I buy used items a lot, and have bought Apple refurbs in the past, but I don't buy into the delusion that it's new on the grounds that it's new to me.

Whether it can work is very dependent on what you're trying to do. iPad 2 has dual CPUs and a much more powerful GPU than the original. Some mirroring can be done, but I don't expect that the original can mirror everything that the iPad 2 can.
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Why do you believe this to be the case?

I use AirPlay all the time on my iPad 1 to send full screen video to my Apple TV 2 using the Air Video app under 4.3.5 and it works just fine?

Have they stated that they are deliberately not allowing the mirroring feature for the iPad 1?

There is a difference between streaming already encoded video and streaming video that is encoded realtime.
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Why is it that Hulu (and others) would want to block this from happening?

I have been pissed at Hulu for months because they have neither put an app on the AppleTV (like Netflix) or built in AirPlay to their iPad app. They are on Roku devices, xboxs, and others. So, it is obvious they want to play in this arena.

I attributed all of that to laziness. Now they are going to block a core iOS ability to mirror?

I am about an inch away from canceling my Hulu plus account.
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The full screen modes automatically works wirelessly

Subject is plural so verb has no "s". Still no proof reading?
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not the game, but what is the app for the iphone that mirrors to an ipad 2? it was towards the end at 4:30 thanks!
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edit: I think I was working from old information, never mind.
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I hope Apple has plans to bring the Apple TV 2 or its successors to the rest of the world.
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That is just bullshit. I'm tired of the games these companies play.

*I* decide how I use my toys. Not ABC.

This is why jailbreaking was legalized.

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Neither the ABC app or the Sky Go app allow video to be mirrored, just audio.
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Why is it that Hulu (and others) would want to block this from happening?

I have been pissed at Hulu for months because they have neither put an app on the AppleTV (like Netflix) or built in AirPlay to their iPad app. They are on Roku devices, xboxs, and others. So, it is obvious they want to play in this arena.

I attributed all of that to laziness. Now they are going to block a core iOS ability to mirror?

I am about an inch away from canceling my Hulu plus account.

What makes you think it was Hulu's choice to not be on AppleTV? If I had to bet, I'd bet that that was Apple's choice to not invite them.
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Sucks that this is an iPad 2 only feature. No reason the first iPad couldn't do this apart from Apples greed!

You might recall that the iPad2 incorporates a dual core processor, twice the ram, and a much improved GPU (up to 9 times the performance) ... This plus the software improvements are why the original iPad can not do the graphics in such an elegant and exciting way. You call it greed, but it is the natural progression of product hardware updates. The old rarely can do what the later ones can. As the apps are upgraded a whole new experience is achieved.
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Neither the ABC app or the Sky Go app allow video to be mirrored, just audio.

Uhh on my iPad 2 I can most definitely mirror the ABC app to my widescreen. It's not full screen but it works well for what it does.
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Why is it that Hulu (and others) would want to block this from happening?

I have been pissed at Hulu for months because they have neither put an app on the AppleTV (like Netflix) or built in AirPlay to their iPad app. They are on Roku devices, xboxs, and others. So, it is obvious they want to play in this arena.

I attributed all of that to laziness. Now they are going to block a core iOS ability to mirror?

I am about an inch away from canceling my Hulu plus account.

There are basically two version of Hulu: a computer version and a television version. Not all programs available via the computer version are available on the TV version (for example, last time I checked Fringe was a computer-only program). I'm guessing the iOS apps give access to the computer version, thus no mirroring to a TV.

They attribute the difference to licensing issues, but that seems really odd considering how Hulu is owned by the networks themselves.
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This sounds fun. Does anyone know of any development to allow head to head control of a game this way between two or more iPads?

Side bar: My two gripes with iPad is first the physical volume control. I wish there was an iOS level gesture for this. Then the second thing that when using AirPlay the iPad's volume control is not used, rather the TV's has to be.
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They attribute the difference to licensing issues, but that seems really odd considering how Hulu is owned by the networks themselves.

They're probably still trying to protect their old revenue stream. TV shows make more money per audience member from TV (OTA/cable/sat) than they do online. It's been relaxed a bit with Hulu Plus, but there appear to be some leftover vestiges of the old policy.
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This sounds fun. Does anyone know of any development to allow head to head control of a game this way between two or more iPads?

Side bar: My two gripes with iPad is first the physical volume control. I wish there was an iOS level gesture for this. Then the second thing that when using AirPlay the iPad's volume control is not used, rather the TV's has to be.

agree the hardware volume rocker control sucks. but you can go to the on screen controls to the left of the home page via a double click and swipe, and back to your app.

and yes a fixed/variable volume output toggle would be nice, so you never have to pick up the damn TV remote. me, I'd also like a basic equalizer option too.

I think a Scrabble approach is best for multiplayer. the app being mirrored is running on one iPad and you can use other iOS devices as player remotes linked to it. I gotta think we will quickly see game developers take advantage of every option they can.
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agree the hardware volume rocker control sucks. but you can go to the on screen controls to the left of the home page via a double click and swipe, and back to your app.

and yes a fixed/variable volume output toggle would be nice, so you never have to pick up the damn TV remote. me, I'd also like a basic equalizer option too.

I think a Scrabble approach is best for multiplayer. the app being mirrored is running on one iPad and you can use other iOS devices as player remotes linked to it. I gotta think we will quickly see game developers take advantage of every option they can.

Thanks, I always forget the volume control there, but it would a lot faster to have some on screen, iOS wide gesture. I haven't seen the Scrabble solution, that sounds promising.

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post #38 of 43
If Apple would just release an SDK and an AppStore for the AppleTV most apps wouldn't need AirPlay mirroring.
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Update: Why would text sizes that are huge be available, if only to have your post edited by JeffDM?! What other purpose IS THERE for other text sizes?!

That is a good question. (Notwithstanding the fact that larger and brightly-colored fonts are a tad annoying).

Over to you, JeffDM.
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Developers should not be able to disable a core feature of the device's OS -- AirPlay & AirPlay Mirroring!!!

Update: Why would text sizes that are huge be available, if only to have your post edited by JeffDM?! What other purpose IS THERE for other text sizes?!

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That is a good question. (Notwithstanding the fact that larger and brightly-colored fonts are a tad annoying).

Over to you, JeffDM.

Just because something is there, doesn't mean it's there to be abused. At size 7, it just looks like a cry for attention, especially as I can read it from across the road, and that's just completely unnecessary.
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