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"Comex," the hacker responsible for several high-profile jailbreak exploits of Apple's iPhone, revealed Thursday that he will be starting an internship with Apple in early September.

19-year old Nicholas Allegra, better known by his hacker handle "Comex," announced via Twitter plans to start an internship with Apple "the week after next." He gained notoriety last year when, as a member of the iPhone Dev Team, he released a web-based JailbreakMe exploit for the iPhone 4.

Jailbreaking refers to the process of hacking iOS to allowed users to install custom software and tweaks without Apple's permission. Performing a jailbreak can, however, void Apple's warranty for the device.

Allegra made waves again last month when he released an updated version of JailbreakMe for iOS 4.3.3.

According to a profile on him by Forbes earlier this month, Allegra has been on leave from Brown University since last winter while looking for an internship.



The hacker expressed that he's not sure why he has such a knack for circumventing Apple's security measures. It feels like editing an English paper, Allegra said. You just go through and look for errors. I dont know why I seem to be so effective at it.

Charlie Miller, a former National Security Agency analyst and one of the first people to hack the original iPhone in 2007, was impressed by Allegra's hack. I didnt think anyone would be able to do what hes done for years, he said. Now its been done by some kid we had never even heard of. Hes totally blown me away.

Security researcher Dino Dai Zovi has compared Allegra's hacking skills to those of government-sponsored "advanced-persistent threat" hackers. "He's probably five years ahead of them," he remarked.

Nicholas Allegra, AKA "Comex" | Credit: Nathanial Welch

Allegra taught himself to program when he was just 9 years old. By the time I took a computer science class in high school, I already knew everything, he said. As a self-professed Apple "fanboy," he confessed that he hacks the iPhone because he likes the challenge.

I didnt come out of the same background as the rest of the security community, he added. So to them I seem to have come out of nowhere.

Last year, the U.S. government approved an exemption that made it legal for iPhone owners to jailbreak and carrier unlock their devices.

Apple's relationship with the jailbreak community has been likened to a game of cat and mouse. The iPhone Dev Team published a post, entitled "The coolest cat," to their blog on Wednesday with an image of the iconic Tom and Jerry cat and mouse cartoon characters and the note "We loved the chase! Good luck, Steve." The well-wishes were addressed to Apple co-founder Steve Jobs, who announced on Wednesday his resignation as CEO of the company.
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Good on ya, Comex. This is the kind of stuff that will keep the US going through tough times. You still have enough freedom and opportunities to bring the best out of talented people. In some Asian countries this guy would be in jail, or worse, forced to do a PhD. And the SF Bay Area is not the worst place to be...
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Clever kid. The number of unique exploits made into a single user-friendly jailbreak is an astounding effort. I hope Apple puts him on Apple security and hope they are paying him.

PS: Since when does a jailbreak void the warranty? I've taken jailbroken iPhones into An Apple Store for service on many occasions without incident. I've gotten warranty support with my Mac that has an OptiBay replacing the optical drive.
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...or worse, forced to do a PhD.

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Good on ya, Comex. This is the kind of stuff that will keep the US going through tough times. You still have enough freedom and opportunities to bring the best out of talented people. In some Asian countries this guy would be in jail, or worse, forced to do a PhD. And the SF Bay Area is not the worst place to be...

No offence but I don't see how this has anything at all to do with the USA. He's just a smart kid and he's self taught. You're projecting.
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...or worse, forced to do a PhD

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Clever kid. The number of unique exploits made into a single user-friendly jailbreak is an astounding effort. I hope Apple puts him on Apple security and hope they are paying him.

PS: Since when does a jailbreak void the warranty? I've taken jailbroken iPhones into An Apple Store for service on many occasions without incident. I've gotten warranty support with my Mac that has an OptiBay replacing the optical drive.

Apple PR: Apples goal has always been to insure that our customers have a great experience with their iPhone and we know that jailbreaking can severely degrade the experience. As weve said before, the vast majority of customers do not jailbreak their iPhones as this can violate the warranty and can cause the iPhone to become unstable and not work reliably.

To be fair, they only say it "can" violate the warranty.
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I suppose Apple will pay him to repeatedly jailbreak IOS 5 so they can fix every hole he discovers. But brilliant kids are born every day and they will find new holes that he never spotted.

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No offence but I don't see how this has anything at all to do with the USA. He's just a smart kid and he's self taught. You're projecting.

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He's a smart kid ... ie. is in an environment that enable him to explore and expand his talents

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He's self taught ... ie. is in an environment that enable him to learn while ignoring mainstream teachings

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He's a hacker responsible for "breaking into" one of the world's most popular products made by one of the worlds largest and most powerful technology companies ... he was not persecuted despite his identity being well known

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The US Congress has legalised jailbreaking...which might have been or was considered illegal prior to the ruling

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Despite Apple's protestations of jailbreaking, they hire him

I don't think I'm projecting when I say the US is one of the countries where the conditions enable all the above to come together. If Americans do not recognise the strengths they still have as a nation, more suffering will ensue.
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Great points AND google can't hire him

He becomes apples antimissile
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I have no idea what you are writing about (maybe that is a shortcoming of my own), but jail breaking a phone is not possibly very illegal. The United States Congress (you know the ones who pass the laws) has made it legal under the DMCA.



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A US court has deemed this possibly very illegal activity legal ... after Comex already did a ton of jailbreaking
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Does this mean we won't have jailbreaks anymore?
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Great points AND google can't hire him

He becomes apples antimissile

http://forum.xda-developers.com/ <--- Google will be fine.

But it is great that Apple is starting to acknowledge talent outside of itself in a community it has long criticized.
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I have no idea what you are writing about (maybe that is a shortcoming of my own), but jail breaking a phone is not possibly very illegal. The United States Congress (you know the ones who pass the laws) has made it legal under the DMCA.

My mistake in saying "US Court". I meant, before the US Congress ruling, jailbreaking was considered illegal by some. Now it is officially legal. But prior to the ruling, Comex was already in action and could have been persecuted. Apple and the US government or other US entities could have unleashed the dogs on him and Saurik, et al. But they didn't.

I've edited my post above to make it clearer.
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Just make sure this kid works with a handler and does not have access to the Internet while working at Apple. He just might release Apple's source code. \

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1.
He's a smart kid ... ie. is in an environment that enable him to explore and expand his talents

2.
He's self taught ... ie. is in an environment that enable him to learn while ignoring mainstream teachings

3.
He's a hacker responsible for "breaking into" one of the world's most popular products made by one of the worlds largest and most powerful technology companies ... he was not persecuted despite his identity being well known

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A US court has deemed this possibly very illegal activity legal ... after Comex already did a ton of jailbreaking

5.
Despite Apple's protestations of jailbreaking, they hire him

I don't think I'm projecting when I say the US is one of the countries where the conditions enable all the above to come together. If Americans do not recognise the strengths they still have as a nation, more suffering will ensue.

So.... you're saying that something like this could've never happened in say... Ireland, or Germany, or Sweden, or Canada?

I'm as patriotic as the next person, but let's not be naive. It's narrow-minded to think that the U.S. is some magical breeding ground for smart people, when so many well-known famous hackers come from off shores. Most of the tech companies in this country have to recruit from off shore because there simply isn't the talent (or enough talent) right here in this country.
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So.... you're saying that something like this could've never happened in say... Ireland, or Germany, or Sweden, or Canada?

I'm as patriotic as the next person, but let's not be naive. It's narrow-minded to think that the U.S. is some magical breeding ground for smart people, when so many well-known famous hackers come from off shores. Most of the tech companies in this country have to recruit from off shore because there simply isn't the talent (or enough talent) right here in this country.

For the record, I'm not American, I've only worked there almost decade ago for a few years.

I'm not saying it couldn't have happened in other Western countries. But at least it still *can* happen in the US.

As for non-Western countries, it is unlikely to happen... Hackers generally remain underground or have to resort to scamming. Why do you think people from all around the world still come, from Western and non-Western countries, to the US?

What I'm trying to say is that things are tough in the US right now but certain things are keeping it afloat. Meritocracy, freedom (yes, there still is quite a bit in the US), and companies and people like Apple and Steve Jobs that are willing to take risks by hiring the very people that "attack" them.

Certainly skilled foreigners coming to the US may reduce employment for US citizens but they can benefit US companies in because they bring talent, enthusiasm and so on. The key is for US companies to disseminate the wealth back into the core of the US (the so called "trickle-down") not let the profits percolate at the top.
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Just make sure this kid works with a handler and does not have access to the Internet while working at Apple. He just might release Apple's source code. \

That is a shameful assumption.
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Brilliant kid. Now that he has infiltrated Apple ...
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Yesterday's snarling revolutionary is today's smiling bourgeois capitalist.

After we've worn ourselves out beating them, we find we're still every bit as desperate to be one of them.

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I have no idea what you are writing about (maybe that is a shortcoming of my own), but jail breaking a phone is not possibly very illegal. The United States Congress (you know the ones who pass the laws) has made it legal under the DMCA.

"very illegal activity legal"

he means that, it was a "very illegal activity" and it was deemed to be a "legal" activity.

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post #22 of 51
Something tells me this kid didn't get a lot of dates in high school.
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Prodigy? Whose double digit IQ came up with that asinine headline?
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"very illegal activity legal"

he means that, it was a "very illegal activity" and it was deemed to be a "legal" activity.

I actually wrote "possibly very illegal activity legal". I know, not my best posts, it's early in the morning!

Anyway I changed it to:

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The US Congress has legalised jailbreaking...which might have been or was considered illegal prior to the ruling
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Prodigy? Whose double digit IQ came up with that asinine headline?

Well, he did make a few untethered user land jailbreaks possible by just visiting a website. That is prodigious.
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Just make sure this kid works with a handler and does not have access to the Internet while working at Apple. He just might release Apple's source code. \

True dat. On the other hand, he might be running the company in a year or two.
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For the record, I'm not American, I've only worked there almost decade ago for a few years.

I'm not saying it couldn't have happened in other Western countries. But at least it still *can* happen in the US.

I know what you are talking about. I'm not American either. But I have been in the US for sometime now. Almost daily I say "that wouldn't be allowed back home", there are so many pain in the ass regulations and laws back in europe that there's no wonder their brightest flee to the states.
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this explains why the updates have been coming a little slower in the jailbreaking community. i guess apple has realize the one true way to silence all those jailbreaking geniuses out there.
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this explains why the updates have been coming a little slower in the jailbreaking community. i guess apple has realize the one true way to silence all those jailbreaking geniuses out there.

Nah, many in the community are always working hard on exploits.

Comex was either very gifted, very lucky, or both.

There are also reports of moles in the jailbreak scene working for Apple.

The cat-and-mouse game just got more interesting.
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Now he can hack future iPhones better and faster!
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Seems strange to start as an "intern" when you just schooled all of your superiors.
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It's interesting that Apple was founded by a pair of hackers who broke into the phone system to make free calls.

Edit: And both of them got jobs at Hewlitt-Packard before they started their new little company. Which, Apple, is now the equivalent to what Ma Bell, AT&T, was back then. I can't believe we just saw this happen.

Edit 2: "equivalent" in terms of technocultural influence. AT&T had massive infrastructure, unequalled to this day, probably.
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There are also reports of moles in the jailbreak scene working for Apple.

Really, the penalties, should people be discovered would be massive. They'd get sued into oblivion, least of all for not doing their jobs correctly.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/ <--- Google will be fine.

But it is great that Apple is starting to acknowledge talent outside of itself in a community it has long criticized.

many cool things are on the "dark" side of developers, apple needs to open its mind more to customer care and preferences,

you know this is two ways...he wanted to be as much a part of apple as apple wants him to be a part of his future. feed the talent groom the talent historically if you look at SJ an Woz they are that "kid" in their garage, and no one but their small community gave them respect initially then time and reluctantly the "main stream" saw their talent

i like to see companies act like a startup. not get stodgy and complacent. see they are building each others future.
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Seems strange to start as an "intern" when you just schooled all of your superiors.

Aren't interns typically unpaid? or is that only the more common cases that you hear about and not a rule of some kind?

Maybe the internee is supposed to be the one learning but in this case he will be teaching?

Or maybe it is an internship for legal or tax reasons? or maybe because it is a limited type thing as an ad hoc arrangement rather than an actual position.
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Does this mean we won't have jailbreaks anymore?

And having him work for them, signing a DNA, DND and any other documents they can get him to sign ??? My guess is, this puts Apple in a much better place should they ever have to deal with him legally, IF he 'Breaks" any of the rules / laws Apples sets forth with his employment.

Tough call on his part. Think about it. Yes he gets to do what he does best, but now it won't be fun to "Beat the man", because the "Man" is paying him, (well no doubt, but still it's the "Man").

- It will NOT be as much fun
- He's young and will want to spread his wings
- He will be making a good salary, but doesn't care about money
- After awhile, it will NOT be as much fun


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And having him work for them, signing a DNA, DND and any other documents they can get him to sign ??? My guess is, this puts Apple in a much better place should they ever have to deal with him legally, IF he 'Breaks" any of the rules / laws Apples sets forth with his employment.

Tough call on his part. Think about it. Yes he gets to do what he does best, but now it won't be fun to "Beat the man", because the "Man" is paying him, (well no doubt, but still it's the "Man").

- It will NOT be as much fun
- He's young and will want to spread his wings
- He will be making a good salary, but doesn't care about money
- After awhile, it will NOT be as much fun


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I think perhaps you mean NDA - Non-Disclosure Agreement - or perhaps your device did an auto-correct on you and change NDA to DNA.

Back in college I had a professor named Kaufman and spellcheck always tried to change it to Caveman.
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I think perhaps you mean NDA - Non-Disclosure Agreement - or perhaps your device did an auto-correct on you and change NDA to DNA.

Back in college I had a professor named Kaufman and spellcheck always tried to change it to Caveman.

Yes, and I didn't catch it, thank you.

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My mistake in saying "US Court". I meant, before the US Congress ruling, jailbreaking was considered illegal by some. Now it is officially legal. But prior to the ruling, Comex was already in action and could have been persecuted. Apple and the US government or other US entities could have unleashed the dogs on him and Saurik, et al. But they didn't.

I've edited my post above to make it clearer.


And you are still wrong.

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Just make sure this kid works with a handler and does not have access to the Internet while working at Apple. He just might release Apple's source code. \

Unless the offer was just a ruse to get him to California, and they slap the cuffs on him as soon as he walks in the front door.
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