Apple continues to gain US smartphone share as iOS hits 27% - Page 2

One thing I really like about the Apple Insider forum is that there are so many smart people here. If someone has a weak argument or posts something bogus they are quickly called on it.

Same here. I don't know where all of those 40%+ Android phones are. All I see on our campus are iPhones and BBs. I was talking to an IT support guy few months ago about the performance of our campus WiFi network and he said they are redesigning and upgrading the WiFi system because of the high volume of the iPhone and iPad traffic.

How does that report prove that "Worldwide and platform to platform, iOS already "won" a long time ago"? Unless I'm reading it wrong, it says that there's no single winner globally and that Android is beating the iPhone in terms of marketshare and growth.

now that is one hell of a Republicanesque spin.

I am so tired of hearing the

"But the iphone is only on two carriers" thing. Its anoying and it shows the complete ignorance of the user. the iPhone is not only on two carriers in the UK where currently the SGSII is out selling it. Yes it is on multiple carriers there and it still gets out sold by android. Expect android or some other licensed OS to always be number one in the market share. Android fits to the device, meaning customers can pick and chose, Some people want a keyboard, some want an Hdmi port, some want a larger/smaller screen, and some even want a Gimmick on their phone (3d, kickstand...). The iPhone is JUST ONE PHONE. It will have the top sales for the the foreseeable future. But it will never have total market share.

I personally don't agree with the policy (not being to purchase prescription meds at a discount in Canada), but that definitely isn't spin. It's against the law and Google knowingly helped those companies and their customers break the law. Full stop.

Given how similar they are in appearance (see: Samsung lawsuit, etc.) you probably just haven't noticed. I'm regularly surprised (do you hear me, Apple patent lawyers) how similar and even confusingly identical Android phones are to iPhones. Sometimes it's only by closing looking at the screen (which is a bit rude...) that I can finally tell it's not an iPhone.

Apparently there is incriminating evidence that Page knew directly about the ads but let them go through anyway... but $500 million buys you a non-prosecution agreement.

... and now back to regular programming.

A guy with 5 posts assumes a guy with 188 posts is a troll. *After* the latter person had already clarified that he was being sarcastic [which was kinda obvious to begin with, if you ask me]. And makes a glaring typo while doing so.

Priceless.

I've seen Android phones in the wild (family and work). The main reason given if I ask is price. I've also noticed that they tend to ask me or my other friends for help on how to do stuff on their phones and usually we have no clue and tell them to google it. I will say that I have never seen a tablet that wasn't an iPad in the wild at. all. ever.

+1 and thank you. I'm so tired of the "Apple's not in it for market share" response. Apple may not be in it for every iota of market share, but they damn well better be in it for a stable piece of the market, at a minimum -- or their profits (and piggy bank) will eventually go bye-bye.

How do Apple's profits go down based on a percentage of other manufacturers' phones?

Apple sold 20 million iPhones last quarter.

Whether everyone else sold 50 million or 500 million... it doesn't change what Apple sold.

"Well I say SELL. And do it NOW.

C'mon, have I ever been wrong?

Just keep watching this Jedi trick thing I'm doing with my hand. Yep, keep watching . . . keep watching . . . "

Whoever said that Apple doesn't want/care about ANY market share? Heck, when the iPhone launched, Steve Jobs stated that he'd be happy and feel lucky to sell 1% share of all cell phones so right out of the gate Apple had SOME goal in market share.

Some people keep comparing an entire platform (Android) comprised of hundreds of phones against two phones (that happen to be #1 and #2 in sales) while ignoring everything else (iPods and iPads) and declaring victory.

The fact of the matter is handset-to-handset, the iPhone has the most smartphone market share.

Platform-to-platform, iOS has more market share (although Android is making some big gains).

As for profit share, Apple has majority in each product category of the platform (PMPs, phones and tablets).

With that said, I am pretty sure Apple is going to be. . . OK.

Apple is in it for the long run... Steady and forward with guarded attention to the competitors...

It is funny, I see the opposite....

In the company I work for, the split in smart phones is about 50/50, ( about 50 total) but most of the techno geeks have the iPhone while the sales people (non-techies) have Android phones. Only two engineers have Android phones (Myself included).... Most of the tecno geeks do have an iPad (Myself included)....

This probably has a little to do with the fact that AT&T does not have data coverage over 1/3rd of our sales territory and the sales force almost exclusively uses Verizon and they got used to Android phones before the iPhone was available....

The really weird part is that not ONE Android user has switched to the iPhone, but three iPhone users switched to Android phones.....

When you walk into a store... you see 7 android phones... 2 iPhones ... and a couple Blackberries and others.

Statistically more Android phones will go home with more people.

In western Canada I defy anyone to try and find an iPhone for sale. They are never on display. They are never advertised. The admail is always about Android phones. The ad posters in the retail shops are always Android.

Apple had better kick some ass and/or offer better spiffs.

I see Android phones, iPhones, Blackberries, Cheap Android phones, and flip phones all over the place...and I work around entertainment people (B-listers...they make money but not fortunes) and drug dealers, and strippers, DJs and hardworking folk.

I'd say Android outnumbers iPhones but iOS probably outnumbers Android because everyone has an iPad.

Blackberries are in use too but usually as secondary phones...I also see a lot of Macs.

Yup on train just about every day in chicago. See a few ipads, a lot of iphones and macbooks. Very few pcs. About the same android and blackberry. Have never seen a person using non- ipad tablet.

Android will move to only Motorola if GOOG finally gets it. The rest will do the smart thing and build their own software.

There's less people in Canada than California, not a huge market. However I see Apple phones all the time in Canada.

????

Not a huge market? Canada may only have 11% of the combined total of the two countries but, to the best of my knowledge Canada adds a few percentage points to that in Apple popularity. Try losing 13% of your base and then tell me that Canada isn't a huge market.

Anyway... the point is... it's hard to find anyone pushing the iPhone. Sure, I know a lot people who have them but when you ask them when they bought their phone I'm sure more than 50% will say they bought them within the first 3 months of availability.

It must be that Android manufacturers offer much better spiffs.

I've generally found it pretty effective to just click the red exclamation point and briefly make your case directly to the mods. Half a dozen trolls either banned or nuked in the last few months. Of course, the mods don't always agree that a given poster is a troll, but I think if enough people report on the same person it's taken into consideration.

HP's market share was so good that they are now getting out of that business. Apple is too smart to chase market share.

You're missing the whole idea of Apple .... of course they're aware of market share but that doesn't mean that they compete for it. To say that they compete for market share would imply that they focus their energy and resources on it, and believe me, if you knew anything about Apple you would know that, while they may be aware of their mark share, the importance of it is way down on the list of things they focus on.

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what do you consider a troll to be? would I be considered a troll?

They weren't "convicted" as there was no trial. But yes, the US government in their wisdom has tried to prevent it's citizen's from buying the identical meds from Canadian pharmacies, at a much lower cost in most instances, than what their US counterparts can (or will) sell for. Purely a political move to assist our pharmaceutical industries.

But several of them bought advertising placement from Google. And according to the US, they knew, or should have known, that US citizen's buying from the Canadians was illegal. Google agreed to pay a $500 million fine, roughly equal to the profit they were alleged to have made from placing those ads.

Fair enough. Perhaps they'll go on to explain why the law is really in place to begin with, and begin the process of doing away with it.

shhhhhhh. Google is evil and drug trafficking and illegal always all the time.

hell, illegal or not, in the court of public opinion Google should be seen in a very positive light over this.

But not to fundamental iPhanboys

http://arstechnica.com/web/news/2011...ansactions.ars


As I had stated previously, I don't necessarily agree with that particular law but the stated reasons (which I don't agree with) are:
1) uncertain quality control
2) in most cases verification of an actual prescription is not needed
3) the price difference is due to the difference in health care policies (universal vs. private)

I'm aware of the public reasons given. At the end of the day it's a lie. My wife's Canadian provider requires an original prescription, and it's been delayed while verified by fax/phone with the doctor who wrote the prescription in some cases. As for the meds themselves, some actually ship from US pharmacies, yet at a lower cost than trying to deal with them directly.

It's all about the drug company lobbyists.

No disagreement from me but you did ask what the reasons were. Also, right or wrong, it doesn't give Google the right to break the law.

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Correct. Google was absolutely in the wrong. . .

as are the the talking points claimed as the reason for the laws existence in the first place.

Well since we have ventured into health care reform, don't forget to rail against that silly damn doughnut hole. What sense does it make to help the elderly at the beginning of their care, then drop them and then pick them up again?

Or requiring all US citizen's carry health insurance, but not putting health cost controls in place at the same time to help keep those insurance policies affordable.

No, I consider someone to be a troll if they troll. As in making most or all of their posts "LOL poor iSheep all butthurt because their beloved etc." or "I love to see you guys panicking as Android crushes your pathetic iOS and leaves it bleeding in the gutter just like Microsoft did to the Mac" and the like.

It's not about a cranky "fanboy" post now and then, although I find those personally distasteful, it's about a posting history that brings nothing to the conversation outside of aggressive belittling of Apple, its products or its customers. We actually do get a pretty steady stream of such posters showing up, and that's why I hit the report button-- because you get enough of that going and every thread turns into "Fuck you, no fuck you." Which of course is the entire raison d'être of trolling.

I think it's important to just report (including whatever impressions one has about the general behavior of the poster in question) rather than respond in thread, because often the mods are not necessarily seeing a pattern like one does if one is actively participating in the thread. More times than not they seem to agree with me.

There are, of course, quite a few folks on this board that reliably speak to any real or perceived Apple failing while acting as a cheerleader for Samsung or Android or Google etc. As long as they rhetoric doesn't get too ridiculous I don't consider that to be trolling per se (although as always I question the psychological status of anyone that feels compelled to go find people with differing tastes so they can endlessly, and strenuously, disagree), but some of those lay low for a while and then gradually crank it up till they're pretty much full out trolling -- at which some of them have also been banned.

Yes, short AAPL @ 380+ now and pick it up @320 in Nov. when the nasdaq tanks 10% in the next 2 months.