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post #121 of 156
8/31/11 at 7:23pm
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The National Enquirer got it right [...]. All other media stayed away from and ignored that story and they were dead wrong. And no, I don't buy or read the National Enquirer in case anybody feels the sudden urge to come with a snarky remark aimed at me.

The odds were that eventually someone the National Enquirer accused of having an affair would be. So, no, sorry, that doesn't suddenly make the National Enquirer a bastion of journalism. But it does say something about you that you think it does.
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post #122 of 156
8/31/11 at 7:27pm
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The odds were that eventually someone the National Enquirer accused of having an affair would be. So, no, sorry, that doesn't suddenly make the National Enquirer a bastion of journalism. But it does say something about you that you think it does.

I didn't say or claim that they were a bastion of journalism, to use your words. I merely commented that they did get it right at least one time, while everybody else was sleeping on the story.
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post #123 of 156
8/31/11 at 7:34pm
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Maybe, but when I was a kid I remember playing cowboys and indians, not cowboys and native Americans.

News flash: some people actually grow up over time.
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post #124 of 156
8/31/11 at 7:54pm
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News flash: some people actually grow up over time.

And some people are intelligent enough to think for themselves and they are not susceptible to PC brainwashing and Orwellian double speak. A garbageman will always be a garbageman to me, not a sanitation worker. A war will always be a war to me, not an Overseas Contingency Operation. A terrorist attack will always be a terrorist attack, not a man-caused disaster.

If somebody sees an old picture of a tribe of people with tomahawks in their hands or if they see somebody living in a teepee, it is not inaccurate to call them Indians. There's Indians from America, American Indians, and then there's Indians from India, the people who make good chicken Vindaloo.
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post #125 of 156
8/31/11 at 7:59pm
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Dick Applebaum on whether the iPad is a personal computer: "BTW, I am posting this from my iPad pc while sitting on the throne... personal enough for you?"
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post #126 of 156
8/31/11 at 8:12pm
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How about referring to groups of people the way they wish to be referred. Do you use the N-word to describe people you don't meet your criteria for being "white"? Do you call all Latinas Mexicans? Do you refers to trans-geneders as 'it'? Seriously, don't hold back. Show us how bigoted and closed minded you really are.

I'm sorry, but your idea of referring to groups of people the way that they wish to be referred to sounds absurd and not very logical. Groups should be called what they are, not what they wish to be called. And not all groups are deserving of respect or consideration. A good example of that is how some terrorist groups refer to themselves as "freedom fighters". At the end of the day, they're still lowlife scumbag terrorists, and that's how they will be referred to. In conclusion, there's nothing at all bigoted about the term American Indians.
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post #127 of 156
8/31/11 at 8:13pm
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. . .

One of your deeper posts.

Know the feeling well ...
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post #128 of 156
8/31/11 at 8:17pm
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Groups should be called what they are, not what they wish to be called.

Truly amazing!
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post #129 of 156
8/31/11 at 8:50pm
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I didn't say or claim that they were a bastion of journalism, to use your words. I merely commented that they did get it right at least one time, while everybody else was sleeping on the story.

Why are all trolls so dishonest? Merely commented, yeah, right. You wrote, in retrospect it seems stupid even to you, but you could at least man up and own it.
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post #130 of 156
9/1/11 at 4:57am
Well this thread degenerated pretty quickly into a PO thread.

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post #131 of 156
9/1/11 at 5:07am
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Clearly an Android user not familiar with the free Find My iPhone feature.

Maybe, but he obviously knew they had found him. I just think, if he hadn't sold it yet, and he has the cops and Apple at his doorstep offering money to return what would be 'lost property' at that point, he was a fool not to take the reward. Cash in hand and no hassle of selling it himself.

If he'd already sold it (though I don't see anything in the story to explain why they think it might have been sold nor how they arrived at the $200 figure) then I guess he thought he was in a bad position as the best he could admit to then would be selling stolen property and theft.

I really wish cnet had done a better job of explaining their story. They don't have to necessarily provide concrete proof or out their sources, but they could at least fill in the blanks. What makes the think it was sold? Why do they think it was sold on craigslist for $200? If their source is from the SFPD, I understand holes like a full description or what OS is running, but there seems to be some very basic information that is missing. Is it common for the police to assist in a search for lost property with no formal report being filed?

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post #132 of 156
9/1/11 at 5:50am
Why can't they lose something interesting like a headless iMac or XMac?
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post #133 of 156
9/1/11 at 5:57am
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Why can't they lose something interesting like a headless iMac or XMac?

Why can't you just stop derailing our threads and go buy a PC? NO ONE CARES.
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post #134 of 156
9/1/11 at 6:11am
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I'm sorry, but your idea of referring to groups of people the way that they wish to be referred to sounds absurd and not very logical. Groups should be called what they are, not what they wish to be called. And not all groups are deserving of respect or consideration. A good example of that is how some terrorist groups refer to themselves as "freedom fighters". At the end of the day, they're still lowlife scumbag terrorists, and that's how they will be referred to. In conclusion, there's nothing at all bigoted about the term American Indians.

So if your country was "occupied" by another and it's soldiers patrolled your streets would you fight against them? Would you consider yourself a terrorist or freedom fighter?
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post #135 of 156
9/1/11 at 10:49am
Jesus God! Apple now has their own investigators??? What will be next? Apple police? Hell they already have more money than all of Europe. Apple COUNTRY! The first virtual nation! I can see it now...Take a bite of the apple and BANG you are subjugated like sleeping beauty....WHERE is the PRINCE?
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post #136 of 156
9/1/11 at 11:35am
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Jesus God! Apple now has their own investigators??? What will be next? Apple police? Hell they already have more money than all of Europe. Apple COUNTRY! The first virtual nation! I can see it now...Take a bite of the apple and BANG you are subjugated like sleeping beauty....WHERE is the PRINCE?

Most large companies have investigators or security of one kind or another....this honestly surprises you?

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post #137 of 156
9/1/11 at 12:23pm
What I don't understand is why Apple does not have the testing units set so that location tracking is on even if you do set the switch to "Off". That way no matter what they could track it if it's on. In addition, testing units should be able to have their cameras remote enabled without the user knowing about it. Now they could track it no matter what and have proof of the one who has it.

And privacy advocate please don't call this an invasion of privacy issue. If your carrying a testing unit you should not expect privacy. If your doing something at home you would be embarrassed for someone to see then either turn it off or leave it in another room. The person that took it has no rights to privacy.
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post #138 of 156
9/1/11 at 12:37pm
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They were/are not 'indians' (sic). The were/are Native Americans.

Indians are people who live east of the river Indus (the name originates from Egyptians who called them that a few millennia ago).

Oh goddess - do you even *know* any Native Americans? I do, and most of them call themselves Indians! Except in Canada where they're members of First Nations, or Latin America, where they're indigenous or Mayan, etc. - for great spirit's sake, what does this stupid conversation have to do with this story?

I mean seriously, Yes, horrible things happened in the past. So do you want to carry that around your neck forever, or do you want to get on with the limited life that we're all given on this big round rock?
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post #139 of 156
9/1/11 at 12:43pm
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What I don't understand is why Apple does not have the testing units set so that location tracking is on even if you do set the switch to "Off". That way no matter what they could track it if it's on. In addition, testing units should be able to have their cameras remote enabled without the user knowing about it. Now they could track it no matter what and have proof of the one who has it.

That would carrying around a unit that has been hardware modified not to ever fully power down. I don't think the idea of test units would include such major modifications.

I do think it would be a very good idea that the device (when on) periodically ping home with their location. This would be a software mode and would result in battery drain, so even that might not be viable. For instance it would taint or prevent battery life testing in real world conditions. I also like the idea that their test units, perhaps as part of a FindMoyPhone customization, would allow remote activation of the camera.

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And privacy advocate please don't call this an invasion of privacy issue. If your carrying a testing unit you should not expect privacy. If your doing something at home you would be embarrassed for someone to see then either turn it off or leave it in another room. The person that took it has no rights to privacy.

Since it would be only on Apple owned devices, I don't think privacy would be a concern.

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post #140 of 156
9/1/11 at 6:05pm
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And they make some of the damn finest food in the UK

I just love Native American curry.

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post #141 of 156
9/1/11 at 8:01pm
I was not suggesting the hardware stay on just that the location feature would stay on even if you turned it off in the settings. Along with that the GPS would turn on even if disabled in settings when ever a request for location was requested.

Auto pinging home with location data is a good idea as well and maybe Apple should check the location every time to see if it's at a bar and text a message to leave if it is.
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post #142 of 156
9/1/11 at 11:51pm
First off, CNET doesn't break cutting-edge, street-level technology news, not ever. Secondly, police departments don't take directions from Apple's elite security forces. Really? Apple Agents closed in on the scene of the crime? Whatever. And third, what are the chances of iPhone prototype lightning striking in a bar again? I'm not throughly convinced the first time was legit ether. Apple Marketing FAIL. Don't get me wrong, I like my Apple gear. But Apple Marketing FAIL.
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post #143 of 156
9/2/11 at 10:29am
It's really difficult to judge whether the "lost iPhone 5" story is legit. The police say they don't know anything about it according to a report I had read.

But the timing of a new job advertisement from Apple does lend a little credence to the story. Seems they're looking for a couple of new security people. Their job? "The candidate will be responsible for overseeing the protection of, and managing risks to, Apples unreleased products and related intellectual property."

Hmmm. . .

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post #144 of 156
9/2/11 at 11:05am
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I'm not throughly convinced the first time was legit ether.

The many, MANY lawsuits say otherwise.
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post #145 of 156
9/2/11 at 11:11am
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First off, CNET doesn't break cutting-edge, street-level technology news, not ever. Secondly, police departments don't take directions from Apple's elite security forces. Really? Apple Agents closed in on the scene of the crime? Whatever. And third, what are the chances of iPhone prototype lightning striking in a bar again? I'm not throughly convinced the first time was legit ether. Apple Marketing FAIL. Don't get me wrong, I like my Apple gear. But Apple Marketing FAIL.

There is every possibility the story was fake, but what would possible make you think it was faked by Apple? Publicity? Do you think Apple really needs that type of low-brow, crass, juvenile publicity? What's next? An iPhone wet t-shirt publicity tour? Maybe a Hooters tie-in? The weeks of lineup at every launch, the international media coverage, the raving reviews (even from CR), their achievement of becoming the largest and most successful tech company in their...which of these leads you to think Apple needs cheap, obvious marketing stunts?

Apple has spend years and countless dollars crafting the most successful image and marketing campaigns in the last few decades. Their brand carefully controlled and is meant to be the technological showcase of taste and elegance. If it was a publicity stunt by Apple, they must have replaced their entire marketing department and hired a couple retarded frat boys.

And if the first was a fake, then you ought to let the San Fran DA know. They are tying up scarce resources trying to prosecute a couple guys that would probably like someone to know it was all a hoax.

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post #146 of 156
9/2/11 at 11:49am
Again, if this all holds up as true, then either SFPD acted inappropriately on behalf of Apple in a private investigation or Apple employees misrepresented themselves as SFPD.

http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/...ne_5_apple.php

http://www.macrumors.com/2011/09/02/...totype-search/

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post #147 of 156
9/2/11 at 12:52pm
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Again, if this all holds up as true, then either SFPD acted inappropriately on behalf of Apple in a private investigation or Apple employees misrepresented themselves as SFPD.

http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/...ne_5_apple.php

http://www.macrumors.com/2011/09/02/...totype-search/

A blog post and a rumor site? That's it? Both of these have a much, much lower credibility requirement than front page news and widespread press coverage.

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post #148 of 156
9/2/11 at 1:13pm
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A blog post and a rumor site? That's it? Both of these have a much, much lower credibility requirement than front page news and widespread press coverage.

You mean like AI? Like it or not, this is getting national attention.

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post #149 of 156
9/2/11 at 1:54pm
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You mean like AI? Like it or not, this is getting national attention.

Where?

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post #150 of 156
9/2/11 at 2:00pm
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Where?

East Timor. That's a nation!
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post #151 of 156
9/2/11 at 3:19pm
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Where?

What country are you in? A quick search shows that CNBC, CNN, every tech blog in the world is covering this (although CNN hasn't updated with the latest twist).

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post #152 of 156
9/5/11 at 10:33pm
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What I don't understand is why Apple does not have the testing units set so that location tracking is on even if you do set the switch to "Off". T.

Who says they don't. After all, none of us have ever seen a test unit.

That said, TUAW updated their story with info that SF Weekly has been doing more digging and found several things that don't add up and it is now believed that the whole thing was made up and the bar is behind it. Certainly explains why the original source kept dropping info about what's on the bar's menu
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post #153 of 156
9/6/11 at 3:11am
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Who says they don't. After all, none of us have ever seen a test unit.

That said, TUAW updated their story with info that SF Weekly has been doing more digging and found several things that don't add up and it is now believed that the whole thing was made up and the bar is behind it. Certainly explains why the original source kept dropping info about what's on the bar's menu

Link? I just visited the site and didn't see the same claims as you apparently did.

AllThingsD does have a police statement of the incident.

"September 2, 2011
11-96
SAN FRANCISCO POLICE ASSIST APPLE SECURITY WITH THIER LOST PROPERTY INVESTIGATION
After speaking with Apple representatives, we were given information which helped us determine what occurred. It was discovered that Apple employees called Mission Police station directly, wanting assistance in tracking down a lost item. Apple had tracked the lost item to a house located in the 500 block of Anderson Street. Because the address was in the Ingleside Police district Apple employees were referred to Officers in the Ingleside district. Four SFPD Officers accompanied Apple employees to the Anderson street home. The two Apple employees met with the resident and then went into the house to look for the lost item. The Apple employees did not find the lost item and left the house.
The Apple employees did not want to make an official report of the lost item."

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post #154 of 156
9/6/11 at 5:11am
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Who says they don't. After all, none of us have ever seen a test unit.

That said, TUAW updated their story with info that SF Weekly has been doing more digging and found several things that don't add up and it is now believed that the whole thing was made up and the bar is behind it. Certainly explains why the original source kept dropping info about what's on the bar's menu

Gotta keep up. That conspiracy theory was blown out the 2nd day after the story broke.

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post #155 of 156
9/6/11 at 5:58am
This will be my only post on the subject until further facts are released.

My concerns and questions are:

1> Was this an official police investigation? The quote from the SFPD would imply it was not.
2> If not, then why were the police involved at all?
3> Since the police were involved, why were they all plainclothes? Were they on duty?
4> If they were not on duty, is it legal for them to go the the subjects door, wearing badges, and identify themselves as police officers?
5> Who requested the subjects permission to search?
6> If police were simply accompanying Apple Security to the location, why the show of force, with 4 officers in tow?
7> If this was a formal request to the SFPD for officers to go along, why did none of them enter the residence?
8> If it was not formal, then why did police accompany them at all?
9> And finally, why is there nothing in writing with what the attending officers witnessed or did, several weeks after the incident? That would go a long way in putting some of the doubts to rest, assuming everything was on the up and up?

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post #156 of 156
9/6/11 at 7:43am
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This will be my only post on the subject until further facts are released.

My concerns and questions are:

1> Was this an official police investigation? The quote from the SFPD would imply it was not.

Probably not, since no lost or stolen property report was filed. Probably doesn't matter as police are allowed to assist private citizens without a formal report.
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2> If not, then why were the police involved at all?

No reason for them not to, really. There may be prohibitions on how they may assist, but there doesn't seem to be a problem with being present.
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3> Since the police were involved, why were they all plainclothes? Were they on duty?

Seems odd that they would all be plain clothed, as that implies detectives, but doesn't seem to imply anything malicious.
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4> If they were not on duty, is it legal for them to go the the subjects door, wearing badges, and identify themselves as police officers?

probably it was ok, but we don't know they were off duty. That would be speculation. They could as easily simply be plain clothed officers.

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5> Who requested the subjects permission to search?

Good question. Also, how was the permission obtained. The cops and Apple were perfectly allowed to request the search, but how they made the request could cause problems. Police can't gain permission through fraud or undue duress, for example.

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6> If police were simply accompanying Apple Security to the location, why the show of force, with 4 officers in tow?

It is strange that many cops would attend. Is it a dodgy neighbourhood?

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7> If this was a formal request to the SFPD for officers to go along, why did none of them enter the residence?

Another good question. Seems like it would have been a good idea to have a third party present if anything was found or if the situation became dangerous.

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8> If it was not formal, then why did police accompany them at all?

If Apple asked, it's fine for the police to attend. They don't seem to have done much assisting, unless their presence was used to help gain permission for the search. But in that case, as you asked, why didn't they participate in the search.
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9> And finally, why is there nothing in writing with what the attending officers witnessed or did, several weeks after the incident? That would go a long way in putting some of the doubts to rest, assuming everything was on the up and up?

It does seem odd for there to be no formal records. With four police officers present, given a month, one of them them should have been expected to file something formal.

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