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Bono, the frontman for the band U2, spoke out this week in praise of Apple co-founder Steve Jobs, lauding his numerous contributions to AIDS research.

Bono's statement came in a letter to The New York Times, and was written in response to a column from the paper's own Andrew Ross Sorkin, entitled "The Mystery of Steve Jobs's Public Giving." In that column, Sorkin questioned why there is "no public record" of Jobs donating his money to charity.

Coming to the defense of Jobs in a letter to the editor, Bono noted that Apple's contribution to fight against AIDS in Africa has been "invaluable." Bono is the founder of (Product)RED, a charity aimed at battling AIDS that Apple has supported with special red iPod models since 2006.

Bono said that Apple has been the largest contributor to the Global Fund to Fight AIDS, revealing that the company has given tens of millions of dollars toward H.I.V. testing, treatment and counseling.

"This is serious and significant," Bono wrote. "And Apple's involvement has encouraged other companies to step up."

Quoting Jobs specifically, Bono revealed that he spoke with the Apple co-founder himself when pitching the (Product)RED collaboration. "There is nothing better than the chance to save lives," he quoted Jobs as saying.

Writing from his home of Dublin, Ireland, Bono referred to Jobs as a "poetic fellow, an artist and a businessman." He said he is "proud" to know Jobs.

U2 lead singer Bono in 2009, via Wikipedia.

"Just because he's been extremely busy, that doesn't mean that he and his wife, Laurene, have not been thinking about these things," he wrote. "You don't have to be a friend of his to know what a private person he is or that he doesn't do things by halves."

U2 and Apple have been close for years, and in 2004 the company even released a U2 Special Edition iPod. Songs by the band have appeared in a number of Apple commercials, and even the "Artists" tab in the iOS iPod application features a silhouette of Bono himself.
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Good for Bono. I tend to get sick of the 'Look how wonderful Gates is and how mean Jobs is' type stuff I hear from PC fans.
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Now all we need is for U2 to pay some tax and Bono to give at least some of the US$800M he has made out of Facebook shares to charity and he might have some credibility.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/columni...5875-23377466/
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Bono is shite
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Now all we need is for U2 to pay some tax and Bono to give at least some of the US$800M he has made out of Facebook shares to charity and he might have some credibility.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/columni...5875-23377466/

Bono's done a ton of work for project (R)ed. I think that gives him quite a bit of credibility. You should inform us of your contributions to charity.
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And publicity which he thrives on. I give my fair share to a number of charities but don't lecture others about it. More importantly which was my main point I pay all the tax that as a contributor to society I should do. U2 including Bono do not, they are not alone but others are far less sanctimonious.
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charity organisations can be wonderful or they can be a waste. steve is probably very very very picky about how he doles out money.
and when it gets down to it, its his to do with as he wants, and if people don't like that then tough sh*t. go beg somewhere else.
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i'm a u2 fan and i won't bother defendin bono's philanthropy or the band's choice to move their finances to the netherland's and apparent hypocrisy

i find it funny that they are a bit tarty when it comes to partnerships -

1st with apple for the ipod /itunes

2nd bono's elevation partners investment group invested and lost heavily in palm (they made that up thanks to faceook)

3rd the band took rim as their main tour sponsor (claiming that apple didn't give them the access they needed for a partnership)
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would you give us the link to Bono's letter to the Editor?
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"...Sorkin questioned why there is "no public record" of Jobs donating his money to charity...."

Some donate because it's the right thing to do and not for the publicity.
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And publicity which he thrives on. I give my fair share to a number of charities but don't lecture others about it. More importantly which was my main point I pay all the tax that as a contributor to society I should do. U2 including Bono do not, they are not alone but others are far less sanctimonious.

Bono pays his entire personal tax in Ireland where he lives. U2, a corporation of which he is not a majority member, moves some of it's operations to Holland via a subsidiary. Bono may have had nothing to do with that, or voted agains it.

The difference between Bono and U2, the corporation, is the same as between Steve jobs and Apple. Except that Bono is not as much in charge as Jobs is.

Apple have subsidiaries in Ireland, and Holland too. Both are low ( corporate) tax regimes compared to the US, which is probably a low tax regime relative to Sweden. Apple trades in all these countries, as does U2.

This does not mean that either Steve Jobs or Bono are tax cheats on their personal income. Not understanding the difference between Bono and U2 the corporation is the catch cry of the British Tabloid press and their semi-literate knuckle dragging readership. AI should be better than that.

As for charity: like Jobs Bono doesn't talk about his charity contributions, which might well be significant.
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Good for Bono. I tend to get sick of the 'Look how wonderful Gates is and how mean Jobs is' type stuff I hear from PC fans.

I swear there must be a web site somewhere that Apple/Jobs haters congregate to discuss what talking points they will use next. You see this all over tech forums, especially cnet. Troll after troll bashing Jobs and praising Gates over philanthropy. The haters are consumed and obsessed. And they call Mac fans sheep.
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Now all we need is for U2 to pay some tax and Bono to give at least some of the US$800M he has made out of Facebook shares to charity and he might have some credibility.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/columni...5875-23377466/

You mean that Saint Bono isn't all his PR machine would have us believe?

You'll be telling us next that The Edge has seriously thick big hair.
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And publicity which he thrives on. I give my fair share to a number of charities but don't lecture others about it. More importantly which was my main point I pay all the tax that as a contributor to society I should do. U2 including Bono do not, they are not alone but others are far less sanctimonious.

Your previous post said Bono needed to give more to be credible. Its too late to claim you don't lecture people on it, you already did.
I didn't follow your link but if he's not paying taxes that are due then I agree he should. He can afford it.
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I think this thread will be a good one for flushing out British Tabloid readership in AI's midst. Certainly all the anti-U2 posters thus far seem to be Brits.
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charity organisations can be wonderful or they can be a waste. steve is probably very very very picky about how he doles out money.
and when it gets down to it, its his to do with as he wants, and if people don't like that then tough sh*t. go beg somewhere else.

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"...Sorkin questioned why there is "no public record" of Jobs donating his money to charity...."

Some donate because it's the right thing to do and not for the publicity.

If you look at the donation roster for almost any medium to large size charity or arts organization, there will be multiple anonymous contributors at virtually every donation tier.

We know that Steve is very private so if he is making personal contributions to charities, he is probably being listed as an anonymous donor.

Another advantage to being an anonymous donor is the efficiency. If you are generous donor with a well-known name, you are likely to be pursued heavily by development managers from other similar organizations. By remaining anonymous, you don't have to field questions like "You donated to them, why not us?"

Of all of the major personalities in big business, Steve Jobs is probably the most likely candidate to donate anonymously. Since he doesn't do things halfway, my guess is the beneficiaries of his charity work could be counted on the fingers of one hand. He won't dilute his efforts by spreading his charity work to too many places.

Apple Inc. has been very generous in their long-time support of AIDS research with the Product(RED) initiative and they have facilitated many donations for the Red Cross for various disaster relief efforts via the iTunes Store (I believe they waive their 30% commission).
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If didn't pay my taxes, I would have a lot more to give to charity.

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Bono's done a ton of work for project (R)ed. I think that gives him quite a bit of credibility. You should inform us of your contributions to charity.
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Bono under fire over One charity donations totalling £9.6m

Read more: http://www.metro.co.uk/news/841666-b...#ixzz1WnylPJ9R

The non-profit One campaign received almost £9.6million in donations in 2008 but handed over only £118,000 to good causes.
Figures show that the group also spent more than £5.1million on executive and staff salaries.


Read more: http://www.metro.co.uk/news/841666-b...#ixzz1WnyyvvDd
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U2 and Apple have been close for years, and in 2006 the company even released a U2 Special Edition iPod. Songs by the band have appeared in a number of Apple commercials, and even the "Artists" tab in the iOS iPod application features a silhouette of Bono himself.

That close that the tour sponsor of U2 360degrees was no other than
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Bono pays his entire personal tax in Ireland where he lives. U2, a corporation of which he is not a majority member, moves some of it's operations to Holland via a subsidiary. Bono may have had nothing to do with that, or voted agains it.

The difference between Bono and U2, the corporation, is the same as between Steve jobs and Apple. Except that Bono is not as much in charge as Jobs is.

Apple have subsidiaries in Ireland, and Holland too. Both are low ( corporate) tax regimes compared to the US, which is probably a low tax regime relative to Sweden. Apple trades in all these countries, as does U2.

This does not mean that either Steve Jobs or Bono are tax cheats on their personal income. Not understanding the difference between Bono and U2 the corporation is the catch cry of the British Tabloid press and their semi-literate knuckle dragging readership. AI should be better than that.

As for charity: like Jobs Bono doesn't talk about his charity contributions, which might well be significant.

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post #21 of 115
Any shmuck can give money. Bono has given that and something far more valuable...his time.
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Bono under fire over One charity donations totalling £9.6m

Read more: http://www.metro.co.uk/news/841666-b...#ixzz1WnylPJ9R

The non-profit One campaign received almost £9.6million in donations in 2008 but handed over only £118,000 to good causes.
Figures show that the group also spent more than £5.1million on executive and staff salaries.


Read more: http://www.metro.co.uk/news/841666-b...#ixzz1WnyyvvDd

Tabloid readers in again. That money did not go to Bono - despite the headline. It was salaries for what is, in effect, a lobbying group, which lobbies for AID increases from tax, but doesn't spend on charity itself. The money came from the Gates foundation.

All of this was in the article. Read it?
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If didn't pay my taxes, I would have a lot more to give to charity.

But if you don't pay your taxes how will we spend trillions on a war with a country that posed no threat to us(Iraq not Afghanistan)? /sarcasm.
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Andrew Ross Sorkin, of the ny times, is a jerk who just posts spurious news. no research, no backup, just garbage.

maybe steve jobs should take out an ad in the newspaper regarding his purchase of girl scout cookies. btw, steve jobs is a big, silent, supporter of organ donations.

also, the ny times has virtually no credibility any more.
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Bono pays his entire personal tax in Ireland where he lives. U2, a corporation of which he is not a majority member, moves some of it's operations to Holland via a subsidiary. Bono may have had nothing to do with that, or voted agains it.

The difference between Bono and U2, the corporation, is the same as between Steve jobs and Apple. Except that Bono is not as much in charge as Jobs is.

Apple have subsidiaries in Ireland, and Holland too. Both are low ( corporate) tax regimes compared to the US, which is probably a low tax regime relative to Sweden. Apple trades in all these countries, as does U2.

This does not mean that either Steve Jobs or Bono are tax cheats on their personal income. Not understanding the difference between Bono and U2 the corporation is the catch cry of the British Tabloid press and their semi-literate knuckle dragging readership. AI should be better than that.

As for charity: like Jobs Bono doesn't talk about his charity contributions, which might well be significant.

Exactly. Back in the 1960s, most of the big rock stars moved out of the UK and some even gave up British citizenship, so they could move elsewhere and pay lower taxes. Back then, the highest marginal rate in the UK was about 90%. That's why George Harrison wrote the song "Taxman".

However, there are several ways one could look at U2's decision to register aspects of their corporation in the Netherlands.
- it doesn't matter: corporations should do whatever is in the best interest of its shareholders.
or
- the band should be incorporated and pay taxes where it earns the most income.
or
- the band should be incorporated and pay taxes where it considers it home: do they consider themselves to be an "Irish" band?

Having said that, I definitely think rich people should pay their fair share in taxes and at least in the U.S., I don't think the rich pay enough, especially considering that the highest marginal rate on ordinary income was 70% during the Nixon administration, 50% during the Reagan administration and is now down to 35%. Of course as Warren Buffet has pointed out, he pays a lower rate than his employees do, since most of his income is long term capital gains, which is taxed at only 15% (goes to 20% in 2013, unless Republicans roll it back again.)
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Good for Bono. I tend to get sick of the 'Look how wonderful Gates is and how mean Jobs is' type stuff I hear from PC fans.

What Gates and his foundation are doing is completely unprecedented in the history of mankind, in terms of financial magnitude, scope and approach. That should not be used to slight anyone, least of all Jobs. But no one can compare to Gates when it comes to non-profit endeavors.
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Andrew Ross Sorkin, of the ny times, is a jerk who just posts spurious news. no research, no backup, just garbage.

maybe steve jobs should take out an ad in the newspaper regarding his purchase of girl scout cookies. btw, steve jobs is a big, silent, supporter of organ donations.

also, the ny times has virtually no credibility any more.

I think you've gone too far. Having said that, Sorkin wrote "Before writing this column, I had reservations about even raising the issue given his ill health". He should have heeded his reservations.
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And publicity which he thrives on. I give my fair share to a number of charities but don't lecture others about it. More importantly which was my main point I pay all the tax that as a contributor to society I should do. U2 including Bono do not, they are not alone but others are far less sanctimonious.

Hmm, these sound like right-wing talking points. Who sent them to you?

As was pointed out before, you DID lecture us about it, so take your sanctimonious attitude someplace else.
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Good for Bono. I tend to get sick of the 'Look how wonderful Gates is and how mean Jobs is' type stuff I hear from PC fans.

Sorry, but the quote from Bono doesn't refute that. Notice that he said that they got millions of dollars FROM APPLE, not from Jobs. Let's not confuse Apple giving money to charity with Jobs giving money to charity.

Jobs has no obligation to donate, nor does he have any obligation to publicize any donations he makes. At the same time, it is completely reasonable to praise Gates for his massive contributions. Gates has clearly done an enormous amount of good with his wealth. We simply don't know if Jobs has done the same (although there are certainly no public reports of his giving ANYTHING to charity).

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What Gates and his foundation are doing is completely unprecedented in the history of mankind, in terms of financial magnitude, scope and approach. That should not be used to slight anyone, least of all Jobs. But no one can compare to Gates when it comes to non-profit endeavors.

That is absolutely true. While I despise the way Gates ran Microsoft, his use of his personal wealth is praiseworthy. Further, he has started an initiative to get ultra-wealthy individuals to agree to donate half of their wealth to charity on their death so his generosity will be multiplied.
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Bono pays his entire personal tax in Ireland where he lives. U2, a corporation of which he is not a majority member, moves some of it's operations to Holland via a subsidiary. Bono may have had nothing to do with that, or voted agains it.

The difference between Bono and U2, the corporation, is the same as between Steve jobs and Apple. Except that Bono is not as much in charge as Jobs is.

Apple have subsidiaries in Ireland, and Holland too. Both are low ( corporate) tax regimes compared to the US, which is probably a low tax regime relative to Sweden. Apple trades in all these countries, as does U2.

This does not mean that either Steve Jobs or Bono are tax cheats on their personal income. Not understanding the difference between Bono and U2 the corporation is the catch cry of the British Tabloid press and their semi-literate knuckle dragging readership. AI should be better than that.

As for charity: like Jobs Bono doesn't talk about his charity contributions, which might well be significant.

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I admire Steve Jobs for the products he created. Giving money to charity doesn't really make me admire people. It is much harder to invent something, than just put money here, put money there.
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I admire Steve Jobs for the products he created. Giving money to charity doesn't really make me admire people. It is much harder to invent something, than just put money here, put money there.

If you read the Sorkin article, you'd see that he wasn't just commenting on the impact of Jobs' personal donations but how he could inspire others to do likewise. Furthermore, there are folks like Bill Gates (very few though) who are not just giving money but dedicating his life to charitable causes.
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That is absolutely true. While I despise the way Gates ran Microsoft, his use of his personal wealth is praiseworthy. Further, he has started an initiative to get ultra-wealthy individuals to agree to donate half of their wealth to charity on their death so his generosity will be multiplied.

Furthermore, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation is giving money in a highly organized and intellectual way. They are hiring some of the best scientists and engineers to manage programs for drug discovery, vaccination and education for malaria, AIDS and TB. The scope of BMGF boggles the mind.
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If you read the Sorkin article, you'd see that he wasn't just commenting on the impact of Jobs' personal donations but how he could inspire others to do likewise. Furthermore, there are folks like Bill Gates (very few though) who are not just giving money but dedicating his life to charitable causes.

I do not admire those things either. I like inventors. If you admire them that is fine.
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Good for Bono. I tend to get sick of the 'Look how wonderful Gates is and how mean Jobs is' type stuff I hear from PC fans.

Oh come on, their philanthropy is entirely separate from the mac vs pc debate. Its not just PC fans who (apparently wrongly) thought Jobs made no significant contributions to charity.


Odd thing to keep secret though.
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"...Sorkin questioned why there is "no public record" of Jobs donating his money to charity...."

Some donate because it's the right thing to do and not for the publicity.

All this bull crap about making donations public comes from a very pathetic element in our society. In effect this drive to force people to make donations public actually leads to less giving. In the realm of there ought to be a law, people like Sorkin need to learn to respect people's privacy. There are many reasons for peope to prefer anonymity in their giving, no one needs to justify what they do or don't do in regards to charity.

Further more if Sorkin was the least bit involved in volunteer work, he would have a far better understanding of what the so called wealthy do with their money. Mind you they support charities often with no desire at all for publicity.
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What Gates and his foundation are doing is completely unprecedented in the history of mankind, in terms of financial magnitude, scope and approach. That should not be used to slight anyone, least of all Jobs. But no one can compare to Gates when it comes to non-profit endeavors.

Just out of curiosity, what is the impact of Gate's foundation on his tax returns?
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Oh come on, their philanthropy is entirely separate from the mac vs pc debate. Its not just PC fans who (apparently wrongly) thought Jobs made no significant contributions to charity.


Odd thing to keep secret though.

I agree it should be separate but I have heard it used countless times as a triumphant finale to a load of anti-Apple comments from PC users. My point was hopefully they can remove that as a verbal tag line now and stick to the 'walled garden' etc.
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Why do we think that someone has to donate while (s)he's still alive.

Arguably, it is more altruistic to donate (with clear instructions on where, how much, when, how) after passing on, since you're foregoing the public adulation (and in some cases, reversing the disapprobation related to how you may have made your money - for example, monopoly pricing).

Perhaps we should wait to see what's ultimately done with SJ's wealth.
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