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It's here. It's anything but queer since it has been absolutely predictable and the reality is crashing down so there is no chance of it going away.

Obama is a one-term president. He will not be reelected.

The points that plot the line are becoming clear and not only are they not pretty for Obama and his reelection prospects, they are outright scary for most folks because of the violent calls to action and self-delusions that are emanating from the political left.

Matt Stoller asks what can be done about Obama because so much destruction is being done to the Democrats. The part he forgets is that the Democrat are merely being led by him and that the policies enacted would not be any more successful if someone could articulate them better, be more forceful or go bigger.


The damage is massive.

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And on the economy, 71 percent of Americans disapprove of how Obama is doing his job. Even among reliably Democratic groups -- union households, women and young people -- he's now unpopular.....
......Obama has ruined the Democratic Party. The 2010 wipeout was an electoral catastrophe so bad you'd have to go back to 1894 to find comparable losses. From 2008 to 2010, according to Gallup, the fastest growing demographic party label was former Democrat. Obama took over the party in 2008 with 36 percent of Americans considering themselves Democrats. Within just two years, that number had dropped to 31 percent, which tied a 22-year low.

.......The groups that fund and organize the party -- an uneasy alliance of financiers, conservative technology interests, the telecommunications industry, healthcare industries, labor unions, feminists, elite foundations, African-American church networks, academic elites, liberals at groups like MoveOn, the ACLU and the blogosphere -- are frustrated, but not one of them has broken from the pack. ....

For Obama, the die is cast. He has put forward his economic program, and it will work to return jobs and income, and get the votes, or it won't.

The die is cast. The numbers won't change and the question is whether to have a party challenge and go down in flames or go down in an even uglier way.

The Telegraph notes Obama is the candidate of fear and the status quo. The only chance Democrats have in 2012 is to literally scare people to death so badly that they refuse to leave their homes and vote on the fact that many of them haven't been employed for large sections of Obama's entire first term.


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Unemployment is stuck at 9.1 per cent; the White House forecast that it would be about 6.5 per cent by now if its economic stimulus plan was passed. Essentially, the American economy is grinding to a halt.

More importantly, what is Obama going to do about it? In terms of policy, the White House has run out of whatever ideas it ever had...........

It fits with the campaign strategy Obama appears to have decided on portray Republican leaders as prisoners of the racist, Right-wing nutters from the Tea Party. Theyre to blame, the argument goes, for the gridlock in Washington because of their intransigence in the face of nice, reasonable Obama.

The problem is that every smear and insult possible was thrown at the Tea Party in last years mid-term elections but the grassroots movement still drove an historic Republican victory. It is also an obvious attempt to change the subject, moving discussion away from the economy by fixating on alleged racism or religious fundamentalism on the Right.


Such a strategy also sits uneasily with the one that brought Obama victory in 2008. It highlights his broken promise to usher in a new era of bipartisanship by fixing a government that was broken. Then, Obama was an outsider running against Washington.

Now, he intends to be an insider trying to be an outsider running against Congress, even though Democrats controlled both houses of it until last year and are still the majority in the Senate.


Maureen Dowd is thinking one and done.


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The leader who was once a luminescent, inspirational force is now just a guy in a really bad spot.

(Maybe he was never that force Maureen, check your premises.)

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Just as Obama miscalculated in 2009 when Democrats had total control of Congress, holding out hope that G.O.P. lawmakers would come around on health care after all but three senators had refused to vote for the stimulus bill; just as he misread John Boehner this summer, clinging like a scorned lover to a dream that the speaker would drop his demanding new inamorata, the Tea Party, to strike a grand budget bargain, so the president once more set a trap for himself and gave Boehner the opportunity to dis him on the timing of his jobs speech this week.

Mis...mis....dis.... perhaps the solutions are just wrong rather than just being mistimed, miscommunicated, mishandled, etc.

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Obama is still suffering from the Speech Illusion, the idea that he can come down from the mountain, read from a Teleprompter, cast a magic spell with his words and climb back up the mountain, while we scurry around and do what he proclaimed.

It's almost like the producers have to produce rather than having utopia arrive by fiat.

How has Obama treated those who actually have to do the work? Victor Davis Hanson has the answer.

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In the last 30 months, the Obama administration has created a psychological landscape that finally just seemed, whether fairly or not, too hostile to most employers to risk new hiring and buying. Each act, in and of itself, was irrelevant. Together they are proving catastrophic and doing the near impossible of turning a brief recovery into another recession.

Here is the lament I heard: the near $5 trillion in borrowing in just three years, the radical growth in the size of the federal government and its regulatory zeal, ObamaCare, the Boeing plant closure threat, the green jobs sweet-heart deals and Van Jones-like Millions of Green Jobs nonsense, the vast expansion in food stamps and unemployment pay-outs, the reversal of the Chrysler creditors, politically driven interference in the car industry, the failed efforts to get card check and cap and trade, the moratoria on new drilling in the Gulf, the general antipathy to new fossil fuel exploitation coupled with new finds of vast new reserves, the new financial regulations, an aggressive EPA oblivious to the effects of its advocacy on jobs, the threatened close-down of energy plants, the support for idling thousands of acres of irrigated farmland due to environmental regulations, the constant talk of higher taxes, the needlessly provocative rhetoric of fat cat, millionaires and billionaires, corporate jet owners, etc. juxtaposed, in hypocritical fashion, to Marthas Vineyard, Costa del Sol, and Vail First Family getaways all of these isolated strains finally are becoming a harrowing opera to business people.

Meanwhile in all these wonderful blue state areas, the looters are busy looting.....

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Copper wire torn out from agricultural pumps? Manhole covers stolen by their very custodians? Commemorative plaques pried out? We are almost an entire generation of parasites that cannot create anything new and so feed on the capital and labor of the past. Sixth-century Rome to the core, or maybe Dark-Age Greece around 1000 BC where the illiterate and ignorant were wandering beneath the walls of Mycenae or Pylos looking for shelter that they could not build for themselves, and swearing superhuman gods must have erected such walls. Who knows, just as the most fertile period of Greek myth-making came out of the oral traditions of the Dark Ages as an impoverished and illiterate age tried to make sense of the monumental traces of a lost civilization, so too soon we may think our forgotten dam builders and water project architects of the last century were Apollo or the Cyclops, as we watch their legacies erode and crumble.


Nate Silver hits on a "paradox" only confusing to those who buy the leftist delusions.


What is the "paradox"? In all the areas where the economy is doing well, aka where there are not blue-state, heavily regulated and unionized policies, Obama has not gotten much credit for a decent economy largely because those economies operate in opposition to him.

Don't worry though, the paradox will be resolved by screaming racism.

If they aren't resolved by screaming that then don't worry. Just threaten them and take those son's of bitches out.


Remember the ideal model is Europe where 40% of the perpetually cared for population are suffering from mental illness.


But they aren't really suffering from mental illness. You are if you expect policies of Obama to have been effective and desire to hold him accountable for what he has done as president.

Does anyone seriously believe Obama will be reelected? See if you can defend that claim without claiming -isms or exhibiting any mental illness.

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It is absolutely awesome that no one wishes to defend President Obama and likewise that no one here believes he will be reelected. Perhaps all those who voted for him and were so easily misled should not be granted much credibility in the future since they were so gullible.

Whalen discusses why Obama's Keynesian policies haven't worked and why continuing to try them is delusional.

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I think John Maynard Keynes would be horrified at the slavish adherence to this simplistic strategy by so many policymakers and economic thinkers, as his theory was much more complex. This thinking might be correct under circumstances other than those in which we find ourselves. If the ratio of our national debt to gross domestic product was low - say 25 percent - and the federal government had run surpluses before the downturn, this college freshman-level Keynesian analysis would have great weight. Put another way, if Uncle Sam were a rock-solid financial entity with low debt to value and he had judiciously used debt for capital improvements that were accretive in value, as the biggest dog on the porch, a stimulus might work.

But with a national debt of more than $14 trillion and unfunded, future “off the books” debt of Social Security and Medicare combined at $104 trillion in present value, according to the Dallas Federal Reserve, Uncle Sam ain’t the man he used to be. This in turn makes American businesses that are sitting on a pile of cash focus on deleveraging. The American consumer is doing the same. In fact, from where I sit, it appears as though everyone except Uncle Sam is working like mad to strengthen his balance sheets. The legitimate fear across the country is that Washington’s refusal to join our common-sense parade will result in higher taxes, more regulations, more inflation and Japanese-style stagflation. In other words, Washington’s attempts at stimulus through spending are having the opposite effect. Businesses and consumers stay hunkered down.

That is beautiful analysis.

President ZERO sounds like a best bumper sticker possible to sum up the 2012 election theme.

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The president’s blind spot is the mountain of impediments and disincentives to job creation he’s erected. An obsession with raising taxes on the well-to-do is only one of them. Yet these are the people with the wherewithal to invest in new ventures that create jobs.

Another is his tireless campaign to increase the power of unions, though where unions flourish there tends to be slower economic growth and less job creation. But organized labor backs the president with money and union workers as he’s seeking reelection. Compared with that, job growth is secondary.

Hope and Change has equaled ZERO.

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I don't see his party dumping him though... He HAS to be their candidate (almost, anyhow)

So... Our other choices seem to be Bachman, Perry, or maybe Romney?... None are particularly palatable, though of the 4, I'd pick Romney.

In reality, I tend to vote for independents, though I know damn well that they have no chance, and, living in TX, any non-republican vote I make is of no effect anyway!
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I think a primary challenger is looking more and more likely. If he hits 30% it's a virtual certainty. He's at 37% in some polls. The desperation is growing.
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I think Obama will win.
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So you want this instead-

“The following are 14 reasons why Rick Perry would be a really, really bad president….

#1 Rick Perry is a “big government” politician. When Rick Perry became the governor of Texas in 2000, the total spending by the Texas state government was approximately $49 billion. Ten years later it was approximately $90 billion. That is not exactly reducing the size of government.

#2 The debt of the state of Texas is out of control. According to usdebtclock.org, the debt to GDP ratio in Texas is 22.9% and the debt per citizen is $10,645. In California (a total financial basket case), the debt to GDP ratio is just 18.7% and the debt per citizen is only $9932. If Rick Perry runs for president these are numbers he will want to keep well hidden.

#3 The total debt of the Texas government has more than doubled since Rick Perry became governor. So what would the U.S. national debt look like after four (or eight) years of Rick Perry?

#4 Rick Perry has spearheaded the effort to lease roads in Texas to foreign companies, to turn roads that are already free to drive on into toll roads, and to develop the Trans-Texas Corridor which would be part of the planned NAFTA superhighway system. If you really do deep research on this whole Trans-Texas Corridor nonsense you will see why no American should ever cast a single vote for Rick Perry.

#5 Rick Perry claims that he has a “track record” of not raising taxes. That is a false claim. Rick Perry has repeatedly raised taxes and fees while he has been governor. Today, Texans are faced with significantly higher taxes and fees than they were before Rick Perry was elected.

#6 Even with the oil boom in Texas, 23 states have a lower unemployment rate than Texas does.

#7 Back in 1988, Rick Perry supported Al Gore for president. In fact, Rick Perry actually served as Al Gore’s campaign chairman in the state of Texas that year.

#8 Between December 2007 and April 2011, weekly wages in the U.S. increased by about 5 percent. In the state of Texas they increased by just 0.6% over that same time period.

#9 Texas now has one of the worst education systems in the nation. The following is from an opinion piece that was actually authored by Barbara Bush earlier this year.

#10 Rick Perry attended the Bilderberg Group meetings in 2007. Associating himself with that organization should be a red flag for all American voters.

#11 Texas has the highest percentage of workers making minimum wage out of all 50 states.

#12 Rick Perry often gives speeches about illegal immigration, but when you look at the facts, he has been incredibly soft on the issue. If Rick Perry does not plan to secure the border, then he should not be president because illegal immigration is absolutely devastating many areas of the southwest United States.

#13 In 2007, 221,000 residents of Texas were making minimum wage or less. By 2010, that number had risen to 550,000.

#14 Rick Perry actually issued an executive order in 2007 that would have forced almost every single girl in the state of Texas to receive the Gardasil vaccine before entering the sixth grade. Perry would have put parents in a position where they would have had to fill out an application and beg the government not to inject their child with a highly controversial vaccine. Since then, very serious safety issues regarding this vaccine have come to light. Fortunately, lawmakers in Texas blocked what Perry was trying to do. According to Wikipedia, many were troubled when “apparent financial connections between Merck and Perry were reported by news outlets, such as a $6,000 campaign contribution and Merck’s hiring of former Perry Chief of Staff Mike Toomey to handle its Texas lobbying work.”

He is not the “conservative Republican” that he is trying to claim that he is. He is simply another in a long line of “RINOs” (Republicans in name only).”
~ http://www.reveresride.net/2011/06/2...bad-president/
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he is an image president
someone or some group put him up, with his teleprompter and his golden throat
well i guess his ineptness got the best of him
he falls back on his roots, "community organizer"
that's why he supports his fellow "organizers" like hoffa when hoffa calls for "taking them out"
those are his words, used by another, he had to say the same things to his people "they bring a knife....you bring a gun"
he is cut from the same piece of wood, same priorities, same power base
he can't get away from his roots, his soul, his ideology

even for survival he could say, what i did didn't work, here is what businesses that hire tell me let's do that instead and throw all his socialist, marxists buddies under the bus and get himself re-elected

i would hope he would do what fdr did, when the crisis of the WW2 became our reality he released the power of our private sector, slashed regulation, antitrust issues and let us over produce the enemy and win the war

obama won't do that, he can't get out of his box, he will die a slow death of a thousand cuts

he should abandon obamacare, cut taxes, stop this class warfare stuff, reduce the employer component of the minimum wage so more businesses will have incentives to hire, halt epa oppression and the economy would see him as serious defender of private sector jobs

he could do this, i would applaud his effort but you can't ask a cat to bark. its not part of his dna

he hates the private sector, hated to work for "corporate america" seething rage at the "great evil that is america" but needs all these peoples votes

he can dance his present dance but i hope he doesn't and turns this rotting mess of an economy around,.....i'd be proud of him admitting wrong and doing what is right and necessary

that would be leadership....but it won't happen he is too committed to the "cause" he will martyr himself . the country is hurting, its just dismal out there and he unlike the common man can't take vacations every other week and use his private jets to go to the coast

i just think the other thing he thinks as he "fundamentally " changes our world his arrogance doesn't change, "let them eat cake" comes to mind. he plays we suffer and people will remember him as the zero president
he needs to open his eyes to the torment this economy is having on people as they watch their life savings, IRA's and home values go down the toilet

arrogance......arrogance...plain and simple
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I think a primary challenger is looking more and more likely. If he hits 30% it's a virtual certainty. He's at 37% in some polls. The desperation is growing.

the rank and file democrats want to keep their jobs, as time goes on what happened for the 2010 election will happen again....."no mr president i don't need you to come by my campaign "
and you will either get a challenger or dems will give up on him and focus on the senate, ceed the presidency to the republicans and circle the wagons to preserve their own power

it will be slow, but dems won't martyr their jobs for him....they will fight to keep what's their's

its way to early.....i'd say jan feb there will be a shift away from the president
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So you want this instead-

The following are 14 reasons why Rick Perry would be a really, really bad president.

I'll assume the statistics you quoted are, in fact, true ... And I'll agree with the opinions wholeheartedly.

I live in TX... and I don't want Perry for pres... And certainly not because I want him to stay here as gov.
He is a conservative for show, but his fiscal -and even social- record is far, far from conservative. He grandstands to the bible-belters... praying for rain and other useless crap... But does nothing any differently than Obama when he bothers to actually (try to) govern.

There is just no candidate out there that truly wants to fix our problems ... Because the short-term pain the citizenry needs to bear would keep them from being popular (getting REelected. )
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So you want this instead-

The following are 14 reasons why Rick Perry would be a really, really bad president.

#1 Rick Perry is a big government politician. When Rick Perry became the governor of Texas in 2000, the total spending by the Texas state government was approximately $49 billion. Ten years later it was approximately $90 billion. That is not exactly reducing the size of government.

#2 The debt of the state of Texas is out of control. According to usdebtclock.org, the debt to GDP ratio in Texas is 22.9% and the debt per citizen is $10,645. In California (a total financial basket case), the debt to GDP ratio is just 18.7% and the debt per citizen is only $9932. If Rick Perry runs for president these are numbers he will want to keep well hidden.

#3 The total debt of the Texas government has more than doubled since Rick Perry became governor. So what would the U.S. national debt look like after four (or eight) years of Rick Perry?

#4 Rick Perry has spearheaded the effort to lease roads in Texas to foreign companies, to turn roads that are already free to drive on into toll roads, and to develop the Trans-Texas Corridor which would be part of the planned NAFTA superhighway system. If you really do deep research on this whole Trans-Texas Corridor nonsense you will see why no American should ever cast a single vote for Rick Perry.

#5 Rick Perry claims that he has a track record of not raising taxes. That is a false claim. Rick Perry has repeatedly raised taxes and fees while he has been governor. Today, Texans are faced with significantly higher taxes and fees than they were before Rick Perry was elected.

#6 Even with the oil boom in Texas, 23 states have a lower unemployment rate than Texas does.

#7 Back in 1988, Rick Perry supported Al Gore for president. In fact, Rick Perry actually served as Al Gores campaign chairman in the state of Texas that year.

#8 Between December 2007 and April 2011, weekly wages in the U.S. increased by about 5 percent. In the state of Texas they increased by just 0.6% over that same time period.

#9 Texas now has one of the worst education systems in the nation. The following is from an opinion piece that was actually authored by Barbara Bush earlier this year.

#10 Rick Perry attended the Bilderberg Group meetings in 2007. Associating himself with that organization should be a red flag for all American voters.

#11 Texas has the highest percentage of workers making minimum wage out of all 50 states.

#12 Rick Perry often gives speeches about illegal immigration, but when you look at the facts, he has been incredibly soft on the issue. If Rick Perry does not plan to secure the border, then he should not be president because illegal immigration is absolutely devastating many areas of the southwest United States.

#13 In 2007, 221,000 residents of Texas were making minimum wage or less. By 2010, that number had risen to 550,000.

#14 Rick Perry actually issued an executive order in 2007 that would have forced almost every single girl in the state of Texas to receive the Gardasil vaccine before entering the sixth grade. Perry would have put parents in a position where they would have had to fill out an application and beg the government not to inject their child with a highly controversial vaccine. Since then, very serious safety issues regarding this vaccine have come to light. Fortunately, lawmakers in Texas blocked what Perry was trying to do. According to Wikipedia, many were troubled when apparent financial connections between Merck and Perry were reported by news outlets, such as a $6,000 campaign contribution and Mercks hiring of former Perry Chief of Staff Mike Toomey to handle its Texas lobbying work.

He is not the conservative Republican that he is trying to claim that he is. He is simply another in a long line of RINOs (Republicans in name only).
~ http://www.reveresride.net/2011/06/2...bad-president/

Oh look, more anti-Perry campaigning...in a thread about Obama. Shocker.
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Oh look, more anti-Perry campaigning...in a thread about Obama. Shocker.

Hope and Change = Fearmonger!

We know you don't like President Obama but since everyone who will run against him is a racist, sexist, ignorant son of Satan, who will steal your money and murder your children, you'd better vote for him anyway.

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Hope and Change = Fearmonger!

We know you don't like President Obama but since everyone who will run against him is a racist, sexist, ignorant son of Satan, who will steal your money and murder your children, you'd better vote for him anyway.

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I don't see his party dumping him though... He HAS to be their candidate (almost, anyhow)

So... Our other choices seem to be Bachman, Perry, or maybe Romney?... None are particularly palatable, though of the 4, I'd pick Romney.

In reality, I tend to vote for independents, though I know damn well that they have no chance, and, living in TX, any non-republican vote I make is of no effect anyway!

Yeah, people may rejoice in Obama not being re-elected but think about it... What are the alternatives? You'd just be substituting him with a Republican that may be better, but could possibly be worse. What great plans do the Republican contenders have? Can they solve the supposed bitter political divide and the financial crisis?
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We know you don't like President Obama but since everyone who will run against him is a racist, sexist, ignorant son of Satan, who will steal your money and murder your children, you'd better vote for him anyway.

Okay, let's assume for a fair discussion they are not racist, sexist, religious nutcases.

What are their plans and policies?

There is an old Malay saying... "You can see a germ across the river, but not the elephant in front of you."

Putting critiques of Obama aside, of which you could drill down to the molecular level, what are the Republican contenders right in front of us really offering?
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Okay, let's assume for a fair discussion they are not racist, sexist, religious nutcases.

That makes the discussion fair?

What are their plans and policies?
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There is an old Malay saying... "You can see a germ across the river, but not the elephant in front of you."

Putting critiques of Obama aside, of which you could drill down to the molecular level, what are the Republican contenders right in front of us really offering?

If you want to start a thread about alternatives, that is completely fine with me. I've asked for this thread to be about either declaring Obama a failure, or defending him. If as part of that defense you want to claim that the others will offer nothing better I suppose that is fine but since appear to be claiming ignorance about their positions, I don't think it would be convincing.



BTW, here is some of what Obama COULD have done but did not do and it fits within the framework of his party and their goals.


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Expressing the world view of the well-heeled, Obamas progressivism did not focus on class mobility and economic growth. The old progressivisms program was bold and opportunity-oriented: increasing energy supplies (think Tennessee Valley Authority) and encouraging industrial growth through building critical new infrastructure.

Obamas stimulus did not seek to increase productivity capacity or create good blue-collar jobs. It largely missed the recessions biggest victims: minorities, the working class and the young who are well represented of the 1 in 5 Americans now not working. The president instead chose to service the needs of organized constituencies such as public sector unions, large research universities and green capitalists.

The tragedy is that Obama could have done things differently. A new variation of the Works Progress Administration, for example, would create hundreds of thousands of jobs for the currently unemployed, particularly those under the age of 25. At the same time, it would have created a legacy of tree-planting and road, port and bridge construction, which would have impressed voters of all kinds by actually producing tangible results. Think of all the bridges, public facilities and art bequeathed to us by WPA.

Instead Obamas regressive progressivism strangled blue-collar sectors of the economy. Many of his key policy initiatives, particularly in the health and environmental areas, scared businesses from expanding their operations.

Sadly, the one infrastructure project embraced by the administration high speed rail reflected trendy urbanist theory more than common sense. At very best high-speed rail would have served, at an exorbitant cost, a small cadre of tourists and businessmen now capable of getting to the same places by car, plane or Megabus. HSRs ever rising costs have even led some leftists, such as Mother Jones Kevin Drum, to denounce it as boondoggly. As Drum sensibly put it, We have way better uses for the dough.

Similarly, Obamas much ballyhooed green jobs have proved an expensive bust. Environmentalists Ted Nordhaus and Michael Shellenberger note there are fewer green jobs in Silicon Valley, the industrys supposed hot bed, today than in 2003. The recent bankruptcy of California-based solar-panel maker Solyndra recipient of a $500 million federally guaranteed loan represents just the first of a series of government-backed failures.

The man is bad by any standard.

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If you want to start a thread about alternatives, that is completely fine with me...

Fair enough, doing that now.
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The media has to lie to cover up President Obama's stupidity.

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At one point Mr. Obama made a major gaffe; he identified Abraham Lincoln as the founder of the Republican Party.

Lincoln did not join the Republicans until 1856, over two years after the party was founded. The first Republican convention was held in Ripon, Wisconsin in 1854.

Such a gaffe would have brought huge amounts of ridicule and derision on George W. Bush, but in the case of Obama the media yawned.

Actually, they did more than yawn; government-funded PBS has altered the transcript of the President's speech, removing the offending comment.

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Wow... How Orwellian !!!
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That's called a McSteak!

From your link-

"Update from Russell Cook:
It now says at the top of the transcript page now "EDITOR'S NOTE: The original transcript provided on this page, as was noted, reflected the president's remarks as prepared for delivery and released by the White House. This transcript has been updated to reflect the remarks as delivered and released by the White House."*
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That's called a McSteak!

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"Update from Russell Cook:
It now says at the top of the transcript page now "EDITOR'S NOTE: The original transcript provided on this page, as was noted, reflected the president's remarks as prepared for delivery and released by the White House. This transcript has been updated to reflect the remarks as delivered and released by the White House."*

He may not have founded it but was really the first notible figure :
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The election of Abraham Lincoln in 1860 ended the domination of the fragile coalition of pro-slavery southern Democrats and conciliatory northern Democrats which had existed since the days of Andrew Jackson. Instead, a new era of Republican dominance based in the industrial and agricultural north ensued. Republicans sometimes refer to their party as the "party of Lincoln" in honor of the first Republican President.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History...publican_Party
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Anyone remember this story at all?

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/07/0...f-the-day-539/

Obama got all up in arms about corporate jet owners and was the one who signed the extension of tax breaks for corporate jet owners that was enacted by Bush. Guess what. After all that talk about it, he is apparently going to extend it again. Lucky corporate jet owners!

I need to find a written version of the story as I heard it on a Lars Larson northwest reports while driving home from work. He should really be consistent in his platform and not reward the very thing that he tirades against. \
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He may not have founded it but was really the first notible figure :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History...publican_Party

That does not make him the founder, nor does it make the statement any more correct thatbefore you posted that information. Nor does it make Obama any smarter or dumber for him saying it. The real issue is that the media appeared to be covering up his flub while most others they would at the very least simply leave it as spoken, and at worst would have a field day with it.
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Anyone remember this story at all?

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/07/0...f-the-day-539/

Obama got all up in arms about corporate jet owners and was the one who signed the extension of tax breaks for corporate jet owners that was enacted by Bush. Guess what. After all that talk about it, he is apparently going to extend it again. Lucky corporate jet owners!

I need to find a written version of the story as I heard it on a Lars Larson northwest reports while driving home from work. He should really be consistent in his platform and not reward the very thing that he tirades against. \

Ahhhh!!! Lars! The most embarrassing thing on the media in the Northwest!

Here's a good example :
Larson often makes me want to barf also. What a fat headed blowhard!
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Ahhhh!!! Lars! The most embarrassing thing on the media in the Northwest!

Here's a good example :

Larson often makes me want to barf also what a fat headed blowhard!

Well, considering that I don't listen to him I will have to take your word for it. It was a 30 second blurb in between traffic and weather on my 15 minute drive home.

However, I would disagree that he is the most embarrassing thing on the media in the northwest. I do not hear anything about him at all overall. So how bad could he really be?
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That's called a McSteak!

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"Update from Russell Cook:
It now says at the top of the transcript page now "EDITOR'S NOTE: The original transcript provided on this page, as was noted, reflected the president's remarks as prepared for delivery and released by the White House. This transcript has been updated to reflect the remarks as delivered and released by the White House."*

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He may not have founded it but was really the first notible figure :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History...publican_Party

You guys must be part of that small percentage that is still happy with him.

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Yeah, people may rejoice in Obama not being re-elected but think about it... What are the alternatives? You'd just be substituting him with a Republican that may be better, but could possibly be worse. What great plans do the Republican contenders have? Can they solve the supposed bitter political divide and the financial crisis?

And that's pretty much the whole Obama reelection supporter talking point memo: He sucks, but someone else might such just as much, or even more!
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And that's pretty much the whole Obama reelection supporter talking point memo: He sucks, but someone else might such just as much, or even more!

well we took a chance with obama.....and it sucks
so lets hope he finds other employment and the other sucks less
but remember its our fault, the majority voted him in....very excited....now much less not even his base is enthusiastic

but weasels like apathetic uninvolved electorate that are not engaged like that community in california where the weasels voted themselves millions but people weren't involved and LET IT HAPPEN

so lets hope for less sucky
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And that's pretty much the whole Obama reelection supporter talking point memo: He sucks, but someone else might such just as much, or even more!

It's kind of how bush got reelected. Kerry was such a flop that no one wanted to vote for him. It remains to be scene if republicans put someone up as passable.
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It's kind of how bush got reelected. Kerry was such a flop that no one wanted to vote for him. It remains to be scene if republicans put someone up as passable.

Bush was re-elected for a few reasons. The primary one was terrorism and war. People didn't want to change horses in the middle of the race, so to speak. I also think that while the Left went bonkers over his economic policies, the economy was strong enough that people didn't vote with their wallets (or they did...whichever way you want to look at it). The last reason was as you said...Kerry was a horrible candidate. There wasn't a lot of enthusiasm for him among Democrats and moderates. In that regard, many people were enthusiastic about Bush. There was still quite a bit of patriotic, post-9/11 fervor at the time, which I think led to this enthusiasm.
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And that's pretty much the whole Obama reelection supporter talking point memo: He sucks, but someone else might such just as much, or even more!

Er, no, one need not be an Obama supporter. Ideally one would make a decision about who's best for a country. So on one hand you have Obama and on the other hand, you have... Not very attractive alternatives.

It looks like the 2012 election will come down to the lesser of two evils for many people.

That said, if another "debt ceiling crisis"-like impasse happens there should be a double(triple?)-dissolution election. Wipe the slate clean. I'm of course not sure how this works in the US system, I admire the system of checks and balances in which you can have a different Executive branch and a different Legislative (particularly lower house) branch. But it also can be a disadvantage to have a system where he/she who controls the lower house is not the Prime Minister or President.
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Funny, not fully truthful, but I laughed.
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Is there anything Obama can't do?!

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Is there anything Obama can't do?!

Convince me to vote for him...
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Zing!

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Yeah, people may rejoice in Obama not being re-elected but think about it... What are the alternatives? You'd just be substituting him with a Republican that may be better, but could possibly be worse. What great plans do the Republican contenders have? Can they solve the supposed bitter political divide and the financial crisis?

Any Republican at this stage couldn't possibly be worse. The only thing he/she could be is basically a Democrat-lite aka BUSH and in that regard they might damage the Republican brand but would certainly harm the country itself at a much slower pace.

Bush's most massive deficits are the sort of thing we would love to have right now. Gee you mean we are only overspending by $450 billion this year? THANK GOODNESS!

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well we took a chance with obama.....and it sucks
so lets hope he finds other employment and the other sucks less
but remember its our fault, the majority voted him in....very excited....now much less not even his base is enthusiastic

but weasels like apathetic uninvolved electorate that are not engaged like that community in california where the weasels voted themselves millions but people weren't involved and LET IT HAPPEN

so lets hope for less sucky

I guess that's what happens when people's reasoning doesn't even fill up a good bumper sticker. HOPE&CHANGE!

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Er, no, one need not be an Obama supporter. Ideally one would make a decision about who's best for a country. So on one hand you have Obama and on the other hand, you have... Not very attractive alternatives.

It looks like the 2012 election will come down to the lesser of two evils for many people.

That said, if another "debt ceiling crisis"-like impasse happens there should be a double(triple?)-dissolution election. Wipe the slate clean. I'm of course not sure how this works in the US system, I admire the system of checks and balances in which you can have a different Executive branch and a different Legislative (particularly lower house) branch. But it also can be a disadvantage to have a system where he/she who controls the lower house is not the Prime Minister or President.

The division is intentional. The President isn't just a Prime Minister. While our system of government isn't perfect I think the type you mention is far worse. The Euro is near failure and many other countries, Japan as an example basically seem to be having their governing coalitions come apart every 14-18 months and are having elections called due to lack of confidence. To me, that would be far worse.

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Is there anything Obama can't do?!

Speak intelligently without a teleprompter?

Now in some new news, the loss of Anthony Weiner's district, is seen as a stinging rebuke to Obama. I know we can obscure this fact by hating on religion and calling everyone idiots, but as our Democratic friend's loved to remind us, elections have consequences and in 2012 it appears people will really have that branded into their memory like never before.

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The heavily Democratic district, which spans parts of Queens and Brooklyn, had never sent a Republican to the House. But frustration with the continued weak national economy gave Republicans the edge.

Turner has vowed to bring business practicality to Washington and push back on spending and taxes.

The race was supposed to be an easy win for Democrats, who have a 3-1 ratio registration advantage in the district.

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It's here. It's anything but queer since it has been absolutely predictable and the reality is crashing down so there is no chance of it going away.

Obama is a one-term president. He will not be reelected.

The points that plot the line are becoming clear and not only are they not pretty for Obama and his reelection prospects, they are outright scary for most folks because of the violent calls to action and self-delusions that are emanating from the political left.

Matt Stoller asks what can be done about Obama because so much destruction is being done to the Democrats. The part he forgets is that the Democrat are merely being led by him and that the policies enacted would not be any more successful if someone could articulate them better, be more forceful or go bigger.


The damage is massive.



The die is cast. The numbers won't change and the question is whether to have a party challenge and go down in flames or go down in an even uglier way.

The Telegraph notes Obama is the candidate of fear and the status quo. The only chance Democrats have in 2012 is to literally scare people to death so badly that they refuse to leave their homes and vote on the fact that many of them haven't been employed for large sections of Obama's entire first term.




Maureen Dowd is thinking one and done.


(Maybe he was never that force Maureen, check your premises.)



Mis...mis....dis.... perhaps the solutions are just wrong rather than just being mistimed, miscommunicated, mishandled, etc.



It's almost like the producers have to produce rather than having utopia arrive by fiat.

How has Obama treated those who actually have to do the work? Victor Davis Hanson has the answer.



Meanwhile in all these wonderful blue state areas, the looters are busy looting.....



Nate Silver hits on a "paradox" only confusing to those who buy the leftist delusions.


What is the "paradox"? In all the areas where the economy is doing well, aka where there are not blue-state, heavily regulated and unionized policies, Obama has not gotten much credit for a decent economy largely because those economies operate in opposition to him.

Don't worry though, the paradox will be resolved by screaming racism.

If they aren't resolved by screaming that then don't worry. Just threaten them and take those son's of bitches out.


Remember the ideal model is Europe where 40% of the perpetually cared for population are suffering from mental illness.


But they aren't really suffering from mental illness. You are if you expect policies of Obama to have been effective and desire to hold him accountable for what he has done as president.

Does anyone seriously believe Obama will be reelected? See if you can defend that claim without claiming -isms or exhibiting any mental illness.

Obama buried himself when he was touting his health care plan continously and ignoring the economy and the deficit growing.Wanting a mandate people must buy health insurance or they will be fined.This is crazy! Unfortunately there is no one decent to take over as president really.
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Funny, not fully truthful, but I laughed.

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Is there anything Obama can't do?!

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Convince me to vote for him...

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Zing!

There's the spirit! You guys are way too serious sometimes.
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The division is intentional. The President isn't just a Prime Minister. While our system of government isn't perfect I think the type you mention is far worse. The Euro is near failure and many other countries, Japan as an example basically seem to be having their governing coalitions come apart every 14-18 months and are having elections called due to lack of confidence. To me, that would be far worse...

Yeah, UK, European and Japanese systems aren't that fantastic sometimes.

But UK and Europe got messed up because of their handling of debt and the EU/EC/Euro, not so much because of their parliamentary systems.

In fact I think the European challenge is that individual European countries tend to be reasonably politically stable but when it comes to the EU/EC/Euro there are some very grey areas about sovereignty, management of currencies, the European Central Bank, "slacker" EU members (they're even called PIIGS) and so on. That's been Europe's achilles heel, the attempt at bringing the countries together as the United States Of Europe.

Japan... Yeah, something went horribly wrong there.

I'm hoping Australia continues on the path of being one of the few developed nations that isn't financially imploding. The parliamentary system is somewhat tenuous since the lower house led by the Prime Minister only achieves a majority on a bill with the support of up to six independent lower house members. This has always been a sticking point of multi-party systems when you have a few members holding the balance of power of the whole government. So far, the independent members have played ball... they had to agree on which of the 2 major parties to support so that government could be formed. But these independent "crossbenchers" could easily cause havoc by sabotaging either of the two major parties at any time they choose.

Again I'm kinda late to the party (pun unintended), but I think this is what the Tea Party is trying to do. They're trying to be a third party in a two-party system and if the non-Tea Partiers are mostly in gridlock as is the case now, then they tend to have some kind of "balance of power". It is scary because you are seeing the rise of a non-official political party effectively holding huge sway over mainstream politics, and holding great influence over the two major parties.

Democracy's a bitch sometimes...!
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