Dead Man Walking: The President Obama won't be reelected thread. - Page 7

Originally Posted by tonton

Very few of those closures were due to a weak economic market. I mean seriously, would your Republican or Libertarian jerks throw money at Borders to stop the change in reading habits, or throw money at Blockbuster to stop the change in media consumption habits? What a moronic assertion.

Originally Posted by marvfox

It is not biased perhaps you are by not recognizing Obama numbers are increasing a little.Give the man some credit!

Originally Posted by BR

Somebody probably needs to take a break. You're being rude, even by your standards. Perhaps you are angry that Jimmac is actually making you think and question and that scares you? Instead of being open to the possibility that what you believe might be wrong, you shut down and lash out like a frightened, wounded animal?

Originally Posted by SDW2001

Show me evidence that conservative beliefs themselves come from fear. That's what I'm saying.

Originally Posted by trumptman

I am giving him credit. Credit for not fixing a damn thing and his numbers have already dropped. Turns out the bounce was people visiting grandma. Good luck finding any news stories that declare "Obama's support collapses by ten percent of his total support in less than a week."



I'm pretty sure I linked to it. I make it a habit of linking to things. Your complaint initially was that there were several pages and several links within this thread, and also that I linked to a list of complete writing of the neuroscientist. I simply said do a search. How is pointing someone to Google, where even someone clearly as technologically as inept as you can easily find it in two seconds. You said so yourself. It wasn't hard, it wasn't obscure. You're just making stuff up to DISTRACT from the point that both your neuroscientist and the one I cited refuted your points entirely.


They CAN, but these were specifically listed as store closings THIS YEAR IN 2011. I'm the guy that can't accept things when you are still blaming Bush for the entire Obama first term. Really, how crazy and delusional is that? It's almost like the man was never president. Obama 2012- Bush never really went away and was secretly running the country the last four years!



There you go asking questions about assumptions within a study again. How dare you question assumptions when studies aren't supposed to make them!



Sorry he didn't put in a pretty picture for you tonton. We know liberals love them.

I'm pretty sure I linked to it. I make it a habit of linking to things.

Originally Posted by SDW2001

Show me evidence that conservative beliefs themselves come from fear. That's what I'm saying.

Originally Posted by jimmac

Just look at the way you reacted to my posts!

Originally Posted by tonton

You've got to be kidding.

Originally Posted by trumptman

I am giving him credit. Credit for not fixing a damn thing and his numbers have already dropped. Turns out the bounce was people visiting grandma. Good luck finding any news stories that declare "Obama's support collapses by ten percent of his total support in less than a week."



I'm pretty sure I linked to it. I make it a habit of linking to things. Your complaint initially was that there were several pages and several links within this thread, and also that I linked to a list of complete writing of the neuroscientist. I simply said do a search. How is pointing someone to Google, where even someone clearly as technologically as inept as you can easily find it in two seconds. You said so yourself. It wasn't hard, it wasn't obscure. You're just making stuff up to DISTRACT from the point that both your neuroscientist and the one I cited refuted your points entirely.


They CAN, but these were specifically listed as store closings THIS YEAR IN 2011. I'm the guy that can't accept things when you are still blaming Bush for the entire Obama first term. Really, how crazy and delusional is that? It's almost like the man was never president. Obama 2012- Bush never really went away and was secretly running the country the last four years!



There you go asking questions about assumptions within a study again. How dare you question assumptions when studies aren't supposed to make them!



Sorry he didn't put in a pretty picture for you tonton. We know liberals love them.

Originally Posted by trumptman

I'd like Newt Gingrich. Sober up and we can discuss it.

Washington Post



It isn't exactly revolutionary to run against someone by holding them accountable on their record, but in Obama's case the record is so bad, and the media will be trying so hard to change the subject, that I am glad to see the focus on it.



This will be good because the media will of course focus on how anyone who doesn't want to re-elect Obama is a racist, hates the poor, you know the usual ad-homs tossed around here as well.



The left is already unenergetic and the polls show that the majority of people have pulled away from Obama. This will remind them not to go back and there will be plenty of good reasons with whomever the Republicans nominate, especially since they will be talking about the top concerns, the economy, run away spending and the deficit.



Well obviously the media won't act on them much but it will help whoever they have on to try to foil and attack as their conservative punching bag. Follow the man and make him answer for what he says is exactly what Gingrich was talking about as a strategy to get him to debate as well. The man cannot defend his record.

Originally Posted by trumptman

I'd like Newt Gingrich. Sober up and we can discuss it.

Washington Post



It isn't exactly revolutionary to run against someone by holding them accountable on their record, but in Obama's case the record is so bad, and the media will be trying so hard to change the subject, that I am glad to see the focus on it.



This will be good because the media will of course focus on how anyone who doesn't want to re-elect Obama is a racist, hates the poor, you know the usual ad-homs tossed around here as well.



The left is already unenergetic and the polls show that the majority of people have pulled away from Obama. This will remind them not to go back and there will be plenty of good reasons with whomever the Republicans nominate, especially since they will be talking about the top concerns, the economy, run away spending and the deficit.



Well obviously the media won't act on them much but it will help whoever they have on to try to foil and attack as their conservative punching bag. Follow the man and make him answer for what he says is exactly what Gingrich was talking about as a strategy to get him to debate as well. The man cannot defend his record.

Originally Posted by jimmac

Yeah! Make it Newt! Can't wait!

Originally Posted by BR

Clearly Jimmac believes none of the current crop of Republican candidates, if that's what you want to call them, will be better than Barack Obama. Perhaps, Jimmac feels that despite President Obama's flaws, he is still what is best for this country. Thus, wouldn't rooting for shitty opposition be rooting for what he feels is the best outcome?

In fact, it's the opposite of the "screw the country" (while we hold it hostage over a manufactured debt crisis to keep tax cuts for the .01%) mentality. He's rooting for this country.

The president acted just a day after the Senate held a session — a move that breaks with at least three different precedents that said the Senate must be in recess for at least three days. Mr. Obama himself was part of two of those precedents, both during his own time in the Senate and again in 2010 when one of his administration’s top constitutional lawyers made the three-day argument to the Supreme Court.

Originally Posted by BR

Clearly Jimmac believes none of the current crop of Republican candidates, if that's what you want to call them, will be better than Barack Obama. Perhaps, Jimmac feels that despite President Obama's flaws, he is still what is best for this country. Thus, wouldn't rooting for shitty opposition be rooting for what he feels is the best outcome?

In fact, it's the opposite of the "screw the country" (while we hold it hostage over a manufactured debt crisis to keep tax cuts for the .01%) mentality. He's rooting for this country.

Originally Posted by SDW2001

He's not engaged in any sort of explanation along those lines, nor has he been able to defend why he supports Obama. He won't even come out and say he does. He just trashes the Republican candidates and calls them a "joke."



Manufactured debt crisis? And you realize that it was the DEMOCRATS holding up the most recent tax cuts, correct?

He's not engaged in any sort of explanation along those lines, nor has he been able to defend why he supports Obama. He won't even come out and say he does. He just trashes the Republican candidates and calls them a "joke."

And you realize that it was the DEMOCRATS holding up the most recent tax cuts, correct

Originally Posted by jimmac

What a joke! I've already been over this ( I guess you don't retain stuff very long ). The conservative candidates are a joke. Obama hasn't done everything that I've wanted but he's still light years better than the alternative.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/house...ry?id=15212988





Uh sure.......

Originally Posted by SDW2001

So..you just confirmed what I posted. You called the candidates a joke and gave no explanation for why you support Obama. I, on the other hand, have detailed specifically why I do not support the President, and specifically why I support Mitt Romney.

1. What makes all the candidates "a joke?"

2. Why do you support Obama?

House GOP leaders appeared to be adopting a compromise suggested by Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell to pass the two-month extension in exchange for the Senate appointing members to a conference committee, which will negotiate a longer-term solution. The proposal won a nod of approval from President Obama and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid.

But Boehner was visibly unhappy with the deal.

"Kicking a can down the road for a couple of months does cause problems," he said at a news conference today.

House Republicans had originally wanted a one-year extension but faced mounting pressure from conservatives and their Senate counterparts to come to an agreement on the short-term deal.

"Sometimes it's politically difficult to do the right thing," Boehner said.

He admitted that the House Republicans' refusal to compromise on the short-term extension, which received backlash even from conservatives, politically "may not be the smartest thing in this world... but our members waged a good fight."

Originally Posted by trumptman

All the GOP should do for 2012 is just play old Obama footage and watch the Democrats slink away in embarrassment.

Originally Posted by trumptman

Is just playing what they previously said really an attack?

Originally Posted by jimmac

None of them has a comprehensive plan for fixing the economy or the job market. They all seem to have a piece of the puzzle but not in a global sense.

Huntsman this morning outlined one of their problems in that they are all ignoring the truth that Obama is not the devil ( when attacked by Romney over his employment and praise of Obama )

and even Perry stated the problem with the economy was there long before Obama took office ( even though he feels he has made it worse ) the voting public is tired of this polarization but a good number of the GOP doesn’t get this.

If you listen to Romney or the others they seem to imply that Obama caused all of this.

Part of their biggest problem is that they think just getting rid of Obama or if " Government will just get out of the way " it will fix things. It won't.

The Democrats aren't the enemy they are half the political philosophy out there that must be recognized.

This country works best when both parties work together representing both sides of the voting public and they haven't been doing that.

They're caught up in winning and that's more important than doing what's right for the country.

Most of the conservative candidates range from silly to scary.

Some of them actually get what's going on ( like Huntsman ) but don't really have all of the answers. And are busy fending off attacks from their own peer group.

At least Obama tries to work with them. He doesn't do everything that I wanted and his priorities are not in line with what I think is important but he's so much better than the alternative it's silly.

Here's a link to the debate in case you didn't catch it : http://nbcpolitics.msnbc.msn.com/_ne...acebook-debate

Obama knows we have to work together.

Most of these jokers don't.

I'm sure you won't agree in that most of your posts have indicated you don't see any of this anymore than most of these candidates do. That's why Obama will probabaly get a second term. He can see that most of the voters are tired of the party of " No " and don't buy what they're peddling anymore. It's been extremely ineffective. All Obama has to do is continue to point that out. Sure something bad could happen between now like a Clinton type scandal or the economy could go sharply south to change this but that's rather unlikely.

And no it wasn't the Democrats that were holding things up ( the link doesn't indicate that either ) it was the Republicans.

What do you think this was saying?

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/house...ry?id=15212988

Originally Posted by SDW2001

That is absolutely false. Romney has the most comprehensive plan of any candidate.



Hunstman is trying desperately to gain ground. He's irrelevant.



Apparently President Obama doesn't get it. He's the most divisive of all.




That is your inference. In fact, Romney has stated what Perry has said.



Yes, it will. At least, that's part of it.



No, that is objectively false as well. They are not half the philosophy. They are about 30 percent of it, center-right thinking is 40 percent, and moderates are 30 percent.




They haven't been doing that for a long time.




Yes, I agree the Democrats are doing that.



Tell us...which ones are silly (and why) and which ones are scary (and why).



Why is Hunstman any better? What does he "get?"



He doesn't try to work with them at all. In fact, I'm amazed at how different he's governed compared to how he campaigned. He's used every opportunity to beat the GOP over the head. He's the most partisan President in my lifetime.



He has not demonstrated that at all. His definition of working together is to slam the "do nothing Congress" because they won't do whatever he wants.





There you go again. Romney, for one, has specifically talked about working with the other side...and actuall did so in Massachusetts.



None of the polling data supports what you are predicting.



The GOP wanted a one year extension. The President wanted two months, and refused to support the Keystone XL pipeline. You tell me who was holding things up.



This is exactly what I'm talking about. The media has actually got you believing that GOP wanted grandma to starve while our hero President Obama just wanted to give people their money back. In reality the GOP doesn't like the payroll cut because it comes directly out of Social Security, and is a short term and small cut unlikely to simulate anything. Meanwhile, we'll just completely ignore that Obama has now cut Medicare by half a trillion dollars and reduced funding for the already screwed up SS system.

In summary, your posts comes down to:

1. The GOP candidates are jokers and don't get it, except for Huntsman, but he doesn't have all the answers.

2. Obama is better than these jokers because he wants to "work with people."



Any other reasons?

This is exactly what I'm talking about. The media has actually got you believing that GOP wanted grandma to starve while our hero President Obama just wanted to give people their money back.

Originally Posted by trumptman

What the hell are you babbling about? All major candidates have put forward complete plans. You seriously say such things when we had Democrats passing major pieces of legislation completely unread and declaring they'd have to pass it to see what was inside. As for the globe, it is a mess. China's unbalanced economy is slowing. The Euro as a currency is disintegrating and the EU has no plan for how to transition or fix it. Your double standards are shocking and dishonest. For Obama, you simply declared we had to do "something" and that "anything was better than Bush." From Republicans you GET comprehensive plans but ignore and lie about them.



The problem was indeed there before Obama. The problem is the social welfare state, the dependency that is ever growing under it, and the fact that there isn't a plan out there that can fund or continue it. The prior generations, in our case the Boomers, believe all can continue as it did and that somehow the numbers will add up down the line due to borrowing and mythical multipliers. It can't. The fact that it can't continue might be polarizing to those who want to continue it or those who will go broke because they are counting on it and haven't considered the fact that governments can go broke, but reality cannot be avoided here.



Wrong, dead wrong. The Democrats are doing what they have always done, expanded dependency and creating crony-capitalism to buy votes from the poor who they claim to represent. Government must get out of the way because it is the thing that is causing the country to go bankrupt. There isn't a business or financial entity out there that can spend and borrow at the rate the Federal government does. With all the 99% vs. 1% talk people have run the number. Go ahead and ignore this fact because you'd rather demagogue things but it is true.

You could confiscate every penny the top 1% have, not just their income or a percentage of their investments but everything down to the ice in their refrigerators. It would get you 1.5 trillion or enough to pay for the borrowing of the Federal government for about 13-15 months. Stop your bullshit about bipartisanship. Obama has had since 2010 to be bipartisan. He has had since 2008 to win Republican votes. He hasn't done anything of the sort and it isn't the fault of Republicans that he is so partisan. Even now the man is making unconstitutional appointments while ignoring the fact that Congress isn't in recess. The Democrats have spent, ignored and run over everyone and everything to try to push their their agenda. They bet on bad ideas. Now they have to run on the results.



The reason they seem scary is because the level of Democratic corruption has been fully revealed. Party identification is down 8 points for Democrats and Republican identification is up 3 points. That is an 11 point swing and that was part of what was seen in 2010. Acorn has been exposed and more states are passing measures to protect the vote. Soon the broke Democratic blue states like Illinois and California with their massive debts, bounced checks and dead voters will be all that they can count on.



Obama has added more to the national debt than all the presidents combined except Bush and he is barely behind Bush in three years while Bush had 8 years. There are more wars around the world. Obama has done nothing on human rights, on peace, on helping our allies. All he has done is made all he has touched worse. The man cannot run on his record at all and that is why folks like yourself are spreading these talking points about silly and scary while praying no one notices the lack of leadership and results the last entire term.



The polls basically state your claims are delusional. The party of "no" is nothing more than a Democratic talking point. Obama is a giant boat anchor on his party and that is why Democrat like Nelson are retiring and running for the hills. They know the entire cycle will be against them and they'd rather go out on their own terms than face defeat. There are plenty of Obama scandals from running guns to crony green company loans. The media doesn't report on them because they are Obama cheerleaders. The stimulus didn't stimulate. The entire term is a giant scandal in terms of no shovel ready jobs, cash for cronies, etc.




Democrats want short term solutions (2 months) because their media surrogates prefer to hype the "crisis" du jour rather than reporting on the big issues that need to be addressed. The Democrats are the party of fear and if they can drum up a reason to keep everyone scared every two months, then they don't have to let people realize Obama stole their hope.

All major candidates have put forward complete plans.

Originally Posted by SDW2001

Romney has the most comprehensive plan of any candidate.

Originally Posted by jimmac

That will work?

And we could talk about the rest of what their term in office would do however remembering who I'm talking to..............................

Originally Posted by jimmac

Thank you for your very subjective opinion. Not surprising given your inability to see reality clearly before during the Bush administration why would one expect it to change now?

Yes all of the media except FOX news is telling a lie!