Originally Posted by BR
Zombie Jesus (who is also his own father but not but is) loves you so much that if you don't believe in him, you will suffer eternal damnation. Yeah, gotta be an idiot on some level to believe that.
There is a difference between faith and religion. The Jesus thing for example, in the bible, is very confusing, and is very open to interpretation. The most important thing I will say about the Bible is the sayings that are directly recorded as Jesus-said-this is vastly, vastly different from everything else in the Bible. Personally, the stuff Jesus "actually said" is way more kickass than the other stuff, which seems rather sub-par compared to the stuff Jesus said. For example, John The Baptist's sayings are kind of saying "I'm a cool guy that did cool things, then Jesus came along, and he was cool too". Whereas Jesus was just like, "This is what I think, this is what it is, if you like it, great, if you don't, you can kiss my jewish ass".
And of course, I have to say, New Testament and Old Testament is like Mac and PC.
As for the Resurrection, in the Bible as well, it's quite sketchy. A lot of the accounts were of people who saw "Jesus" but didn't recognise him. If your best friend got hit buy a car and you went to his funeral and you saw him one week later all fine, you'd suspect you'd say, "Hey, wassup bro, I thought you is dead!"
To me, the "Death" of Jesus is the death of all mankind in our current form. The "Resurrection" is in two forms, one is a standard afterlife concept that we will transition to another existence, either similar to our current or to something totally new. The other "Resurrection" is literally the "born-again", which can happen to anyone after a kind of "awakening". For example, if tomorrow I walk out the door and I see perfect love in every human being, then something profound has happened that I have been "resurrected" from my previous semi-death (i.e. "blind" ie. "unenlightened") state.
So obviously I'm in the "hippie-reinterpretive" camp of Jesus Christ as a ~concept~ regardless of whether such a human being existed or not.
For atheists and agnostics, I feel it is very important to understand the difference between faith and religion, because I am anti-religion but not anti-faith and pro-spirituality. People like me, are relatively rare. I used to consider myself "New Age" but now lean towards monotheism in a self-discovery sense. That is, the pantheon of Gods and Goddesses are merely symbolic representations of earthly and universal forces we don't understand, but I do believe and have experienced a central "thing" beyond all that but in us all as a spark. I think I'll be a cult leader someday, actually. Seems to be the direction I'm heading in whenever I talk about ~my~ faith. Too cool for orthodox religion school, Too hot for atheists and agnostics.
Originally Posted by trumptman
It is much worse than that. It has already gone into deficit. It will now "run out of money" in 2025 only the money they claim it has right now are government bonds that the government must redeem with itself by borrowing money to pay back the prior debt. Since very little of the new debt is being bought, the Fed is printing dollars to purchase the bonds. So understand that the U.S. government is repaying a bond to itself by printing money to pay back the old bond with the new bond. Any private entity doing this would be found criminally negligent.
Ah, I see. I just watched "IOUSA" the movie a few days ago. Mind-blowing. At the time it was made just several years ago, the deficit was around 8 Trillion. Now it's almost double that, closing in on 16 Trillion. And when you take into account the fraudulent government behaviour you outline above, something's gotta give. Ponzi scheme is a perfect description, I understand why people use that term and from your explanation as well.
That's why I say forget the Illuminati, Aliens, Roswell, even God for a while. Why is 99% of the human population entirely clueless as to how money actually works? Perhaps because of evolutionary understanding of tangible resources including non-fiat currency. Gold for example, is the easiest to comprehend. But fiat currencies, these are totally bollocks stuff. Why do most people not understand, simply, you cannot eat money. If I have a piece of wood, I know 20 years later, if I still have that piece of wood I can make fire so I won't die of cold. But if I have a $100 bill (USD/ Euro/ AUD/ CAD/ etc), there is no guarantee that even tomorrow, I can "buy" a piece of wood. Because someone has to find that wood, cut that wood, sell it to me, take my money, so he can buy another piece of wood. Assuming there are still trees left. The process of money supply is so absurd, it simply defies most human comprehension, much like quantum mechanics. I am blessed to have a mind that can at least get the rough gist of both, but until 5 years ago, my monetary knowledge was abysmal. It was only at the end of 2004 when I was dead broke, maxed out $7000 in credit cards, my parents freaking out, them giving me $3000 each month and I had no idea where it was going, and considering at the start of 2003 I had $20,000 in savings which went by in a flash, even though I had a decent job... I knew something was fishy, and thankfully with some earnest I understand money a lot better now.
It is absolutely criminal that most school children learn that gravity causes an apple to fall to the ground but virtually nobody is taught why an apple costs 50cents (or whatever the price is, which is my point exactly).
Originally Posted by SDW2001
I hope so too. We need a real debate about real issues. Secondly, if the election comes down to who smoked more weed in high school...Obama will be reelected as the populace will be yet again distracted.
Upon reflection, I'm not optimistic on a real debate about real issues. It's not going to be pretty all the way up to voting day, I'm afraid.
Edited by nvidia2008 - 5/30/12 at 6:28am